Orochimaru > Kabuto!!!! Edo Tension Debate

[MickNerks]

There are alot of new people going around sayin that Kabuto's Edo tensei is superior to Orochimaru. This is a lie. This statement was originally created by the Hashirama fans who didnt wanna admit that Hiruzen was greater than Hashirama. But the Manga has clearly stated that Orochimaru's Edo Tension is Superior to Kabuto's.

1. The first thing i wanna point out for the people who countinue to say kabuto perfected the edo tension is the manga page that proves all of you wrong. Read-it-and-Weep:

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Here Kabuto Clearly states orochimaru PERFECTED Edo Tensei. He didnt say he perfected it, he says orochimaru perfected it.


2. Kabuto is not even strong enought to completly master Edo tension. He also states in the manga that he needs more of orochimaru's chakra in order to increase his binding power of edo tension.

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And once he does absorb anko's oro chakra he states that his binding power becomes more powerful. And gives credit to orochimaru for having such magnificent chakra.

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Obviously this proves that orochimaru's Edo Tension was superior. As kabuto didnt even have strong enough chakra to have a complete bind on all of his summons. Many of his summons were even able to escape or cause there own defeat because they were not completely bound and were basically running around free.



3. Thirdly to speak on WHY orochimaru had such a stronger grip on the hokages and didnt allow them to show there personalities. Honestly everyone i see try to call orochimaru's technique weaker because he didnt allow hashirama and tobirama to fight freely i laugh at. Becuase this would have happen had orochimaru weakened his grip on them.

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Both hashirama and Tobirama would have release edo tension and then it would have turned into 3 hokages vs Orochimaru.lmao yet most people dont realize this so they speak ignorantly on orochimaru like he was inferior to kabuto.smh

Also all this talk about the Frist and Second being weaker is a bunch of BS.
1. They were limited to fight inside a barrier so there wasnt enough space to spam water release attacks and mokuton.
2. If Hashirama did use flowering tree world orochimaru would have been knock unconsciense as well which would have weakened his binding on kages. DUHHHHH!!!!
3. They did more than enought to prove that had it been any other ninja besides Hiruzen, The 1st and 2nd hokages would have murdered anyone else.


Look at the scale of the techniques they used. They were all used on a grand scale, Even Hiruzen's:

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Look at the huge earth wall hiruzen created to block the flood that tobirama created:

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And also if you look at hiruzens fire techs, he can use them at a higher level than seen by either itachi or sasuke. You can obviously see that hiruzens burns hotter.

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Even Hashirama's Mokuton was used on the same level that madara used it on. (yet you say he was weaker smh) And look how huge hiruzens earth wall is.

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Those guys were titans fighting in a cage. There ninjutsu scale was on a rediculous level that hasnt been seen by ninja today other than gaara and madara.

In conclusion, all i am trying to do is prove orochimaru's superiority when it comes to Edo Tension. That is it. This is not and Oro>Kabuto thread nor is it a Hiruzen>Hashirama thread.

Make comments and vote. I always look foward to reading xd

 

[CharlieBundels]

You are right my friend, Kabuto needs Oro's chakra to have it perfect :scorps:

 

[iCuRiddY]

It's Edo tensei by the way...

I agree with you on one thing, orochimaru had a better understanding of Edo tensei than kabuto did.

Kabuto was very naive and believed himself greater than he actually was. Orochimaru>kabuto is a fact.

 

[Uxellius]

I think Orochimaru's better +rep for the good reasons

 

[Scooby Doo]

1) It's edo tensei not edo tension LOL
2)Anyways nice thread
3) But already know

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Honestly I agree with this. I've thought this way for a while but didn't feel like getting flamed by fanboys xd

And I will forgive you for spelling it "tension"

+ rep sir!

 

[Gooner4life]

Great thread, people make up stupid reasons to take credit away from both Oro and Hiruzen, Tobirama and Hashirama weren't used to their full capacity but that isn't because it is a weaker version of edo tensei, good work. Less control against someone with Hiruzen's skill, with them giving him tips would have been game over for Oro.

 

[Trump Card]

It's Edo tensei by the way...

I agree with you on one thing, orochimaru had a better understanding of Edo tensei than kabuto did.

Kabuto was very naive and believed himself greater than he actually was. Orochimaru>kabuto is a fact.

i agree with this

 

[MickNerks]

You are right my friend, Kabuto needs Oro's chakra to have it perfect :scorps:

Yeah, but for some reason people believe kabuto to be superior.

It's Edo tensei by the way...

I agree with you on one thing, orochimaru had a better understanding of Edo tensei than kabuto did.

Kabuto was very naive and believed himself greater than he actually was. Orochimaru>kabuto is a fact.

Thanks.lol i though i was spelling it wrong.

I think Orochimaru's better +rep for the good reasons

Thanks

1) It's edo tensei not edo tension LOL
2)Anyways nice thread
3) But already know

I thought i misspelled it.lol Thanks though

Honestly I agree with this. I've thought this way for a while but didn't feel like getting flamed by fanboys xd

And I will forgive you for spelling it "tension"

+ rep sir!

hahaha. thanks for your forgiveness. And i have come to learn that fanboys cant flame you when you have a shield of facts.

 

[Rike Senju]

Kabuto only needed oro's chakra because of so many edos he had out at the same time kabuto > oro U_U

 

[MickNerks]

Great thread, people make up stupid reasons to take credit away from both Oro and Hiruzen, Tobirama and Hashirama weren't used to their full capacity but that isn't because it is a weaker version of edo tensei, good work. Less control against someone with Hiruzen's skill, with them giving him tips would have been game over for Oro.

Exactly. Thank you. Had orochimaru allowed them to have there personalities, tobirama would have simply released himself from the technique and hashirama. Orochimaru would have taken a kage pounding.

 

[MickNerks]

Kabuto only needed oro's chakra because of so many edos he had out at the same time kabuto > oro U_U

This thread isnt about Kabuto being greater than Orochimaru. Its about orochimaru's edo tensei being greater than kabuto's. And nowhere in the manga does it state that kabuto needed his chakra because he had many edo's on the battlefield. And even if that was true, orochimaru still would have had complete control over them because his chakra was strong enough to handle it.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Oro's BINDING was stronger. That means that they didn't have the chance to, like you said, release the jutus or to crumble away due to their lives being fulfilled, like Sasori. By completely ridding Edo's of their personalities and turning them into complete killing machines, you take away from their effectiveness in battle.They don't use their specific strategies that would most likely work best with their skills. Kabuto gave them a task and let the summons go about it as they wanted. That made them more versatile than when Oro summoned Hashi and Tobirama, but also more likely to go rogue, like Madara, or vanish. Hiruzen was a beast though and deserves credit for taking out two hokages. I still believe that an alive Hashi vs Hiruzen would result in Hashi winning unless Hiruzen resorts to reaper death seal, again, mainly because of Hashi's healing factor and flowering tree world.

 

[Vinnie]

Good points plus Kabuto had to set the Edos on automatic using their remaining personalities and only fully controlled one of them at a time... but you still have to admit the specialized Madara resurrection was something truly genius, since he couldn't revive Hashirama he revived Madara with Hash's powers and the edo tensei benefactors.

 

[minatofan234]

nice thread you provided solid facts to back up your claim +rep but as some one has said before me oro wasnt using the hokage's to there true potential.... and at the end of the day kabuto was just a fake oro and ended up losing because of his arrogance

 

[Vinnie]

Oro>Kabuto

But Kabuto still a genius for the Specialized Madara Resurrection, and his other perks.

 

[Photon]

the amount of times i read edo tension in this stupid OP actually made me angry, but to keep things short here is the proof you are wrong

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[thepizzaguy]

Ofcorse he is. Kabuto may have this advance edo madara but oro is still is boss.kabuto":edo tensei (madara)," oro:"go kill yourself." Kabuto"yes boss!"

 

[MickNerks]

Oro's BINDING was stronger. That means that they didn't have the chance to, like you said, release the jutus or to crumble away due to their lives being fulfilled, like Sasori. By completely ridding Edo's of their personalities and turning them into complete killing machines, you take away from their effectiveness in battle.They don't use their specific strategies that would most likely work best with their skills. Kabuto gave them a task and let the summons go about it as they wanted. That made them more versatile than when Oro summoned Hashi and Tobirama, but also more likely to go rogue, like Madara, or vanish. Hiruzen was a beast though and deserves credit for taking out two hokages. I still believe that an alive Hashi vs Hiruzen would result in Hashi winning unless Hiruzen resorts to reaper death seal, again, mainly because of Hashi's healing factor and flowering tree world.

Not all ninja need there personalities to make them more effective in battle. If you take a ninja like gaara and make him edo and take his personality he will still perform greatly if not better because his intent is to kill. And also if orochimaru was in kabuto's position he as well could give them there personalities and he would still be more sucessful at controlling them than kabuto. His chakra is ALOT stronger than kabuto's.

Good points plus Kabuto had to set the Edos on automatic using their remaining personalities and only fully controlled one of them at a time... but you still have to admit the specialized Madara resurrection was something truly genius, since he couldn't revive Hashirama he revived Madara with Hash's powers and the edo tensei benefactors.

Madara's ressurection was genius, especially with his upgrades. But kabuto also gave that credit to orochimaru. Saying that it was because of orochimaru's research that they were able to make madara like he was.

nice thread you provided slid facts to back up your claim +rep but as some one has said before me oro wasnt useing the hokage's to there true potential.... and at the end of the day kabuto was just a fake oro and ended up losing for his arrogance

thanks. I dont see how he didnt use them to their full potential. They used water release, mokuton, and powerful genjutsu.

 

[Vinnie]

the amount of times i read edo tension in this stupid OP actually made me angry, but to keep things short here is the proof you are wrong

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He surpassed them in his number and his ability to modify the people he revived agreed but he still needed Oro's power to do it and was obviously weaker in binding them to his will since Madara had the ability to release himself from it when Hashirama, who is supposedly more powerful because he defeated Madara in battle, couldn't under Orochimaru's control.