2 tobi theory (in a way that understandable)

[Knights Saotome]

ok so at this point everyone knows obito is tobi. however i do think that he is not the one who help in the uchia massacre also who was controlling the mizukage. st this point we know madrara took someones right eye, thus creating the first one eyed tobi, who i believe is a char we dont know about. id go as far to say that he in the same boat as obito. hes madrara pawn. if this unknown uchia did exist it would explain other things as well. such as how obito got ms, maybe he got it from killing the first tobi, maybe even trained by him. this is what makes the most sense to me. if there was a first tobi then i wonder what his story is? any theory as to frist tobi id? id think it be waaaaay harder then figuring out how the second tobi(obito) is.

 

[garas56]

Not sure yet nothing confirmed that if i haw to bet i am sure obito is controled by someone like a pupet and zetsu culd copy his body anytime and use him anywhere he want.

 

[InGyeong]

What???


Excuse me: I obviously do not understand you because I still believe there was only one masked man > one Tobi and that was always Obito.

 

[Altaneen]

Obito fits the time line of every Tobi we have seen, there is no need for a second Tobi.

 

[Knights Saotome]

Not sure yet nothing confirmed that if i haw to bet i am sure obito is controled by someone like a pupet and zetsu culd copy his body anytime and use him anywhere he want.

idk i think due to the fact of last week chapter its fact that obito is tobi, at least one of them. if he was being controlled then by whom? a dead guy? or the first tobi we have seen only twice and both in flashbacks? and if he was a copy then whats with that half of him? that even hissed at madrara saying obito broke the plan, if he can break the plan he not being controlled.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

There is 2 tobis

 

[Knights Saotome]

no guys theres a second. think about, has anyone other then sasuke changed their? no in naruto its one of the main ways to tell who a char is. im not saying it wasnt obito who used nine tails to atck leaf, because it was. im saying the first tobi is the one who did the stuff before obito wasnt around for, to weak for. besides, who elses eye could madrara have then? dont say a nameless uchia, madrara was thought dead to mostly everybody and madrara would most likely want eyes from a high caliber uchia, not some cannon fodder who cant even get 3 tome. plus if madrara needed the chakra cables from the gedo then if would be good invective for a underling to obey, or lose his last eye.

 

[Altaneen]

no guys theres a second. think about, has anyone other then sasuke changed their? no in naruto its one of the main ways to tell who a char is. im not saying it wasnt obito who used nine tails to atck leaf, because it was. im saying the first tobi is the one who did the stuff before obito wasnt around for, to weak for. besides, who elses eye could madrara have then? dont say a nameless uchia, madrara was thought dead to mostly everybody and madrara would most likely want eyes from a high caliber uchia, not some cannon fodder who cant even get 3 tome. plus if madrara needed the chakra cables from the gedo then if would be good invective for a underling to obey, or lose his last eye.

That's horrible proof of a second Tobi lol. There is zero reason to need a second Tobi, Obito fits the timeline fine.

@U The Minato fight was the earliest Tobi thing we have seen.

 

[Knights Saotome]

That's horrible proof of a second Tobi lol. There is zero reason to need a second Tobi, Obito fits the timeline fine.

id like to think he dose but there are many who think otherwise, besides where else would be a one eyed uchia? if madrara got the other eye from a fodder then why not both? plus everyone but (if i remember) madrara himself says he wanted revenge on the uchia, maybe its the first tobi who really dose? maybe the first tobi was "offered" to madrara somehow? or maybe madrara's son is the first tobi? he hates uchia for abandoning him with his dad( id be pissed if i had to live madrara, hes a **** ). also no its not, the earliest tobi is him controlling the fourth mizukage, and then the uchia massacre is the second. both having tobi as a diff mask and mid length hair.

 

[Altaneen]

id like to think he dose but there are many who think otherwise, besides where else would be a one eyed uchia? if madrara got the other eye from a fodder then why not both? plus everyone but (if i remember) madrara himself says he wanted revenge one the uchia, maybe its the first tobi who really dose? maybe the first tobi was "offered" to madrara somehow? or maybe madrara's son is the first tobi? he hates uchia for abandoning him with his dad( id be pissed if i had to live madrara, hes a **** ).

Look. You agree Obito fought Minato, as you said a couple posts back. Now stay with me, every Tobi we have seen, took place after Obito fought Minato. Tobi has never been seen before that.

Knowing that, what could possibly make you think there was a second Tobi? If Madara having one eye is your only "proof" of a second Tobi, than I am done discussing it lol.

 

[garas56]

That's horrible proof of a second Tobi lol. There is zero reason to need a second Tobi, Obito fits the timeline fine.

@U The Minato fight was the earliest Tobi thing we have seen.

1 QUESTION. Kakashi is in age 30 Naruto is in the age 16 if ve are right obito is in the age of kakashi so 30-16=14 if obito died in 13 how he culd fight against 4th control kazekage and control demonfox?one years haw pased from his "death" how Obito culd learn this much in one years? The question with is breaking all timelines.

 

[Altaneen]

1 QUESTION. Kakashi is in age 30 Naruto is in the age 16 if ve are right obito is in the age of kakashi so 30-16=14 if obito died in 13 how he culd fight against 4th control kazekage and control demonfox?one years haw pased from his "death" how Obito culd learn this much in one years? The question with is breaking all timelines.

You're asking how a 14 year old could fight, and lose to the 4th Hokage? I'm sorry, I thought we were reading a manga where a 16 year old is the 2nd strongest living character?

Naruto since start of shippuden til now has gained enormous strength in less than a year, why can't you believe Obito could achieve a much smaller accomplishment in a year?

As for controlling Yagura, I made a thread explaining how that fits in the time line about a week ago, let me find the link.

Here it is

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[garas56]

You're asking how a 14 year old could fight, and lose to the 4th Hokage? I'm sorry, I thought we were reading a manga where a 16 year old is the 2nd strongest living character?

Naruto since start of shippuden til now has gained enormous strength in less than a year, why can't you believe Obito could achieve a much smaller accomplishment in a year?

As for controlling Yagura, I made a thread explaining how that fits in the time line about a week ago, let me find the link.

Here it is

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Ya its hard to belive that Someone can become a genius in one year.Not so hard to belive that someone manipulate him or controls.

 

[InGyeong]

Obito fought with Uchiha Madaras power against Minato.

Thats why he looked to Kisame like Madara.
That why he was all the time happy running around and telling everybody that he is Madara.

So age is not matter and the timeline is okay.

Ideas how this could have happened: They found a way to give Tobi Madaras power, maybe through the strange tree or/and with help from Oro. Maybe Zetsu kept nourishing Tobi with Madara chakra.

I also believe
When they show the moment the mask from Obitos face dropped at the anime they will change back to his former voice actor (younger voice).

 

[tobi Is the best]

did not read the theories

 

[Simple Math]

Obito fought with Uchiha Madaras power against Minato.

Thats why he looked to Kisame like Madara.
That why he was all the time happy running around and telling everybody that he is Madara.

So age is not matter and the timeline is okay.

Ideas how this could have happened: They found a way to give Tobi Madaras power, maybe through the strange tree or/and with help from Oro. Maybe Zetsu kept nourishing Tobi with Madara chakra.

I also believe
When they show the moment the mask from Obitos face dropped at the anime they will change back to his former voice actor (younger voice).

so the s/t techs are madara's powers?

 

[Knights Saotome]

there is earlier tobi before he fought the fourth, as like i said 2 times before, the uchia massacre and controlling the muizkage. also that tobi has mid size hair, no one in shippuden changed their hair that much, so as to have a dif hairline and everything. the madrara having one eye is only part of it. and it sure wasnt madrara at the uchia massacre, and it clearly wasnt obito so that only means it was a previous tobi, maybe a son, who did his bidding under the name "tobi" and as madrara, since that pretty much what obito is, devoid of his own will, and only carries madrara's will. so i think its fairly smart to say theres a 2 tobis and why. its not rocket surgery.

 

[Knights Saotome]

You're asking how a 14 year old could fight, and lose to the 4th Hokage? I'm sorry, I thought we were reading a manga where a 16 year old is the 2nd strongest living character?

Naruto since start of shippuden til now has gained enormous strength in less than a year, why can't you believe Obito could achieve a much smaller accomplishment in a year?

As for controlling Yagura, I made a thread explaining how that fits in the time line about a week ago, let me find the link.

Here it is

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he cant have done it, it was when kisame was a loyal hidden rain ninja, and just got the shark skin sword. tobi was the one who controlled him, but that tobi wasnt obito.

 

[Knights Saotome]

1 QUESTION. Kakashi is in age 30 Naruto is in the age 16 if ve are right obito is in the age of kakashi so 30-16=14 if obito died in 13 how he culd fight against 4th control kazekage and control demonfox?one years haw pased from his "death" how Obito culd learn this much in one years? The question with is breaking all timelines.

well there something your forgetting, kakashi was 6 years younger then naruto at the time of the chunin exams when he became a chunin. so therefore if obito was 13 at his time of "death" then kakashi would have to be 7 meaning if kakashi is 30 now then obito is like 36 six years old. but also he was a dropout (failed the academy more then once, like naruto its said to have had, but his age dont show in comparison to others from his class. so this maybe no point at all) so we could add maybe a year or 2 to obitos age and he is 15 on a team with a 7 year old ( who is better then him at everything) and a girl who he is in love with, most likey 13. and that makes him 16 maybe 17 at the time of the atck on the leaf. it also makes obitos age now almost 40, well into a mid life crisis prolly.

 

[Altaneen]

there is earlier tobi before he fought the fourth, as like i said 2 times before, the uchia massacre and controlling the muizkage. also that tobi has mid size hair, no one in shippuden changed their hair that much, so as to have a dif hairline and everything. the madrara having one eye is only part of it. and it sure wasnt madrara at the uchia massacre, and it clearly wasnt obito so that only means it was a previous tobi, maybe a son, who did his bidding under the name "tobi" and as madrara, since that pretty much what obito is, devoid of his own will, and only carries madrara's will. so i think its fairly smart to say theres a 2 tobis and why. its not rocket surgery.

No you're so wrong lol, Itachi met Tobi waaay after Tobi fought Minato. Also Kisame met Tobi near the Monato fight, and as my thread suggests, likely afterwards.

he cant have done it, it was when kisame was a loyal hidden rain ninja, and just got the shark skin sword. tobi was the one who controlled him, but that tobi wasnt obito.

Why exactly do you think Obito could not have been who Kisame met?