why do ppl use the word rape.

[ImmaculateShadow]

It offends me how ignorantly you express yourself.
I don't know whether it's your being frustrated at the little effect you have on people, or a misguided anger directed at people whom throws around these kinds of words with half-hearted feelings, not knowing the seriousness behind it at all.
But, you need to learn a thing or two about forums and that is that most here don't give a damn, comparable to how it is irl, with the difference of being anonymous and more blatant as a result.
Also, words are words, i.e. pointers. They don't hold any other power than that which we give them and delude ourselves they have, which is imagined power.

So tell me; exactly what do you think I meant with 'It doesn't bother me', hmm?

Ah, I see. I need to learn ...

It's really simple, when you obfuscate from a subject that is oppressive to individuals you are enabling those that oppress them. In effect paving the way for more rape, murder, war, genocide - you pick the subject.

I have learned that many people don't give a damn — long before you wished to inform me — and I choose to give a damn when I am on NB.

Your statement about "Words are words" is a fallacious argument because it denies the victims of rape their place and voice in the matter. Or worse assumes that it shouldn't matter to them and thus deciding for them.

I can't really imagine how much further you can oppress a murder victim, but fine.

And yes, I'd tell them that I prefer to joke about it, because by giving the word so much importance, I'm giving importance to the rapist and not the victim. So, giving importance to the words, instead of the act itself, is more of an enabling, than a simple joke. I'd rather joke and show them that life goes on, that I'd be there for them and help them not think of it, because if they are able to joke about it, it'd be easier to go through it. But yeah, give importance to the words, they are the important for some people.

Or you could ask them how they feel - but I suppose that you know better then they do right from the get go.

Catharsis via humor only goes so far before it becomes siding with the oppressor. And some subjects have been deemed without humor by those that have been oppressed with such subjects - rape is one of those subjects.

Your fallacious argument, which you use as a type of red-haring, about the unimportance of words is typical of people who try to defend their own enabling of rape. It denies the victims of rape their place and voice in the matter. Or worse, assumes that it shouldn't matter to those victims and thus you are deciding for them.

 

[UchihaBrat]

Ah, I see. I need to learn ...

It's really simple, when you obfuscate from a subject that is oppressive to individuals you are enabling those that oppress them. In effect paving the way for more rape, murder, war, genocide - you pick the subject.

I have learned that many people don't give a damn — long before you wished to inform me — and I choose to give a damn when I am on NB.

Your statement about "Words are words" is a fallacious argument because it denies the victims of rape their place and voice in the matter. Or worse assumes that it shouldn't matter to them and thus deciding for them.

Just a question before I retort: What are you trying to say when you use the word 'Obfuscate' in combination with 'from'? Are you trying to say 'when you obfuscate a subject' as in 'when you make it more complicated/harder to understand', or is there something I'm missing??
I'd just like you to elaborate upon that, since it's messing with my head.

 

[-Sky-]

...I just use it sometimes to refer to the slang word of "Pwned"

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Just a question before I retort: What are you trying to say when you use the word 'Obfuscate' in combination with 'from'? Are you trying to say 'when you obfuscate a subject' as in 'when you make it more complicated/harder to understand', or is there something I'm missing??
I'd just like you to elaborate upon that, since it's messing with my head.

Certainly - Saying 'from' after 'obfuscate' is redundant. Sorry for the confusion.

Allow me to retype it —

When one renders the oppressive nature & seriousness of rape unclear to onlooking individuals you are enabling those that oppress through rape and thus rape survivors. In effect paving the way for more rape ...

 

[Shinobi Train]

Me, I don't say things that are negative or directed at anyone for the purposes of trying to prove my length and girth in any way. I am a gentleman.

 

[Pesh]

Ah, I see. I need to learn ...

It's really simple, when you obfuscate from a subject that is oppressive to individuals you are enabling those that oppress them. In effect paving the way for more rape, murder, war, genocide - you pick the subject.

I have learned that many people don't give a damn — long before you wished to inform me — and I choose to give a damn when I am on NB.

Your statement about "Words are words" is a fallacious argument because it denies the victims of rape their place and voice in the matter. Or worse assumes that it shouldn't matter to them and thus deciding for them.



Or you could ask them how they feel - but I suppose that you know better then they do right from the get go.

Catharsis via humor only goes so far before it becomes siding with the oppressor. And some subjects have been deemed without humor by those that have been oppressed with such subjects - rape is one of those subjects.

Your fallacious argument, which you use as a type of red-haring, about the unimportance of words is typical of people who try to defend their own enabling of rape. It denies the victims of rape their place and voice in the matter. Or worse, assumes that it shouldn't matter to those victims and thus you are deciding for them.

So you are basically assuming that I'm an idiot and I'll jump directly to the humor? Well, thank you.

I don't understand how exactly using humor would mean you are siding with the oppressor. You could always use the humor to show that only low life people would do such a horrible thing. But it always depends to the person and how well you know them, so it doesn't really mean that people would lose their humor about such topics.

Well, let's see, fallacious argument you say. Words and concepts are creation each of which has their own meaning, but in the same time this meaning is different for each person depending on their experience. Therefore, by distorting the meaning of the word I'd show them that there's more to life than just that simple violation. I won't deny them their pain or their voice, I deny the importance of the act and oppressor. Because oppressed should be shown that this one experience is not what defines them or their life, it just defines the oppressor and he deserves a mockery.

 

[-S-]

I am aware that the word 'rape' is sensitive in real life... you should be careful who you say it to.

But on the internet, no such thing as 'manners' really exists...

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

So you are basically assuming that I'm an idiot and I'll jump directly to the humor? Well, thank you.

I don't understand how exactly using humor would mean you are siding with the oppressor. You could always use the humor to show that only low life people would do such a horrible thing. But it always depends to the person and how well you know them, so it doesn't really mean that people would lose their humor about such topics.

Well, let's see, fallacious argument you say. Words and concepts are creation each of which has their own meaning, but in the same time this meaning is different for each person depending on their experience. Therefore, by distorting the meaning of the word I'd show them that there's more to life than just that simple violation. I won't deny them their pain or their voice, I deny the importance of the act and oppressor. Because oppressed should be shown that this one experience is not what defines them or their life, it just defines the oppressor and he deserves a mockery.

No I don't think your stupid. Ignorant on the subject of rape and oppression may be, but not stupid. I'm actually happy your asking questions.

How would using humor in regards to rape be siding with the oppressor? Alright. When one makes light of a subject like rape — which is an act of oppression it's self — one makes light of the act of oppression. This in turn enables, defends and makes light of the fact that rape happens at all. Do you understand? This applies to your statement, "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor."

When such a denial is made it enables the rapist by making him seem unimportant. This sends the message to every one who reads that rape is a non-issue. Some thing that doesn't happen often enough to make any kind of noise about, or worse that real people don't actually get raped.

What is needed to combat rape is not jokes or casual humor but real awareness of real rape.

I am aware that the word 'rape' is sensitive in real life... you should be careful who you say it to.

But on the internet, no such thing as 'manners' really exists...

It's not a matter of manners but of decency.

 

[Avani]

Spoiler

Every one on this thread that stood up for the use of the word rape, as a word that has multiple meanings and can there for be used casually, are rape enablers.

Think about that - casually using the word rape. Thinking of rape in a casual manner. Using rape in a casual manner.

Why am I drawing attention to this? Because rape happens every day, in a great number of cases as a form of correction for many reasons. Thus drawing attention from the extreme disgusting nature of the word does the same for the act.

Literally.

When you stand up for the use of the word rape in a casual sense you are a rape enabler - plain and simple.

Why? Because those who are raped are oppressed by their assaulters, and so the greatest way to allow those that are victims of any kind of oppression to continue to be oppressed is to detract from the device by which they are made to suffer. In other words -obfuscation from a device of oppression is to enable the oppressor.

I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

Rep for you.

Most people who use this word casually simply do not nderstand the implications the word helds just that it is something to do with show of power and that's all which is important to them.

Spoiler

You take rape seriously don't you. As one of the few NB rapists in here I have to say is just wow. If I were to:
*kitty rape you*
you really think I will come down to your house by kicking the door open and raping you, then I need to change careers. But please don't think someone in here really meant it. So don't be disturbed if you see me or Hells in Konoha Town or the Premium section raping members. It's just harmless lols here.

I never find anything lol worthy in it. I just thick skinned after years of internet to care about the word and the seriousness of it so I understand the point of IS. Teens may find it funny because for most of them it is something not reallity for them.

Rape means dominate or owned its pretty bad terminology but there are worse things then this happening in the world

Other meanings are secondary not primary and derived by the attitude of many rapists in the whole issue. I only go by the legal definition of the word either way.

 

[Pesh]

No I don't think your stupid. Ignorant on the subject of rape and oppression may be, but not stupid. I'm actually happy your asking questions.

How would using humor in regards to rape be siding with the oppressor? Alright. When one makes light of a subject like rape — which is an act of oppression it's self — one makes light of the act of oppression. This in turn enables, defends and makes light of the fact that rape happens at all. Do you understand? This applies to your statement, "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor."

When such a denial is made it enables the rapist by making him seem unimportant. This sends the message to every one who reads that rape is a non-issue. Some thing that doesn't happen often enough to make any kind of noise about, or worse that real people don't actually get raped.

What is needed to combat rape is not jokes or casual humor but real awareness of real rape.

But by your logic, it is actually this way of thinking that would actually enable the act and oppressor, because instead of putting the importance on the oppressor, you should put it on the oppressed. The oppressor has only one place, in prison, while the oppressed has to deal with this for life time. It's a life changing experience, and if you really care about the victim, you'd want them not to give such an importance to that experience or the oppressor. I don't say that it doesn't happen, I say that although it happens there's law and authorities to take of the oppressors, but the victims need to know that they are not the reasons for it, that life goes on.

Oh, by "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor." I don't mean to deny that it happens, just that victims shouldn't blame themselves or base their lives on a simple act done by some psycho. They should laugh at him, make fun of him, to show that they are stronger.

To be honest, it seems like you are giving more importance to the oppressors than the oppressed.

 

[-S-]

No I don't think your stupid. Ignorant on the subject of rape and oppression may be, but not stupid. I'm actually happy your asking questions.

How would using humor in regards to rape be siding with the oppressor? Alright. When one makes light of a subject like rape — which is an act of oppression it's self — one makes light of the act of oppression. This in turn enables, defends and makes light of the fact that rape happens at all. Do you understand? This applies to your statement, "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor."

When such a denial is made it enables the rapist by making him seem unimportant. This sends the message to every one who reads that rape is a non-issue. Some thing that doesn't happen often enough to make any kind of noise about, or worse that real people don't actually get raped.

What is needed to combat rape is not jokes or casual humor but real awareness of real rape.



It's not a matter of manners but of decency.

Mhmm... Decency? Manners? All of it is futile when it comes to the internet.

Most people who use the word rape online are usually cowards who can't use the word in real life and think they can hide behind a monitor where they cannot see the pain they inflict to others who read what they say.

As far as I'm concerned, no one uses the word so casually in the real world, and if you happen to hear someone abuse the word, you should probably tell them to respect a woman a bit more.

 

[Avani]

it is actually this way of thinking that would actually enable the act and oppressor, because instead of putting the importance on the oppressor, you should put it on the oppressed. The oppressor has only one place, in prison, while the oppressed has to deal with this for life time. It's a life changing experience, and if you really care about the victim, you'd want them not to give such an importance to that experience or the oppressor. I don't say that it doesn't happen, I say that although it happens there's law and authorities to take of the oppressors, but the victims need to know that they are not the reasons for it, that life goes on.

Oh, by "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor." I don't mean to deny that it happens, just that victims shouldn't blame themselves or base their lives on a simple act done by some psycho. They should laugh at him, make fun of him, to show that they are stronger.

To be honest, it seems like you are giving more importance to the oppressors than the oppressed.

Most of the time it is used with pride or with admiration for that kind of power, Pesh. Exactly how many times you read the word rape with a negative conotation for the "rapist" in this context which is the main focus of the OP?

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

But by your logic, it is actually this way of thinking that would actually enable the act and oppressor, because instead of putting the importance on the oppressor, you should put it on the oppressed. The oppressor has only one place, in prison, while the oppressed has to deal with this for life time. It's a life changing experience, and if you really care about the victim, you'd want them not to give such an importance to that experience or the oppressor. I don't say that it doesn't happen, I say that although it happens there's law and authorities to take of the oppressors, but the victims need to know that they are not the reasons for it, that life goes on.

Oh, by "... I deny the importance of the act and oppressor." I don't mean to deny that it happens, just that victims shouldn't blame themselves or base their lives on a simple act done by some psycho. They should laugh at him, make fun of him, to show that they are stronger.

To be honest, it seems like you are giving more importance to the oppressors than the oppressed.

Let me make my self clear - making light of the subject of rape is to make light of the act of rape.

It's really that simple.

By making rape a serious subject I am in no way glorifying or raising rapists to a higher degree than they deserve. The act of rape deserves attention in the sense that the facts and statistics regarding it need to be in plain sight. This way prevention can take a real hold on the public.

In this way making light of rape through humor or simple casual internet talk of dominance over another is enabling the act of rape NOT disabling it. This is how rape jokes marginalize the lives of rape survivors.

I'll say it again - rape jokes marginalize the lives of rape survivors

You make judgments about what rape victims should and should not do with statements like:

"victims shouldn't blame themselves or base their lives on a simple act done by some psycho."

"They should laugh at him, make fun of him, to show that they are stronger."

— These are extremely offensive though I'm sure you meant no offense.

Most people with PTSD from being raped don't get to choose weather or not they relive the events that scared them. How many people get PTSD from surviving sexual assault? How about you look up the numbers.

The last quote is offensive because your telling people who have been RAPED how they should deal with the situation without asking how they feel about it. Every one is different, there for the position to take is one of awareness. REAL awareness happens through serious discussion of the prevention and healing process, as well as the understanding that if you are neutral or casual in subjects of oppression then you are on the side of the oppressor.

 

[Pesh]

Most of the time it is used with pride or with admiration for that kind of power, Pesh. Exactly how many times you read the word rape with a negative conotation for the "rapist" in this context which is the main focus of the OP?

To be honest, I haven't seen the word being used much nor do I use it, but I don't go to the Naruto section. I was talking about a situation when you speak with a victim. But either way, words are words, and as I said I everyone has their definition, and by what I understand, it's not really used as "sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent", rather than beating or destroying. And if you were to seriously describe in legal terms to the violation, won't you use sexual assault or violation instead? I don't know but I don't see the word rape in a serious conversation, but it's just me I guess.

Let me make my self clear - making light of the subject of rape is to make light of the act of rape.

It's really that simple.

By making rape a serious subject I am in no way glorifying or raising rapists to a higher degree than they deserve. The act of rape deserves attention in the sense that the facts and statistics regarding it need to be in plain sight. This way prevention can take a real hold on the public.

In this way making light of rape through humor or simple casual internet talk of dominance over another is enabling the act of rape NOT disabling it. This is how rape jokes marginalize the lives of rape survivors.

I'll say it again - rape jokes marginalize the lives of rape survivors

You make judgments about what rape victims should and should not do with statements like:

"victims shouldn't blame themselves or base their lives on a simple act done by some psycho."

"They should laugh at him, make fun of him, to show that they are stronger."

— These are extremely offensive though I'm sure you meant no offense.

Most people with PTSD from being raped don't get to choose weather or not they relive the events that scared them. How many people get PTSD from surviving sexual assault? How about you look up the numbers.

The last quote is offensive because your telling people who have been RAPED how they should deal with the situation without asking how they feel about it. Every one is different, there for the position to take is one of awareness. REAL awareness happens through serious discussion of the prevention and healing process, as well as the understanding that if you are neutral or casual in subjects of oppression then you are on the side of the oppressor.

But using the word lightly won't change in no ways it's seriousness if the light was to put to the issue. I don't understand exactly why would that dismiss the importance of the issue. Usually people can make the difference between a use in a serious conversation and in a joke. It's all about the context you use the word in.

And if the word has another meaning in different context I don't understand why should it be directly connected to a sexual assault. In the same way, you can't use the word violate, because it can as well be understood in a different way. So in many ways, you can use a word because they have different meaning, that doesn't mean that you mean bad of the victims of an action.

But that doesn't mean you can't try to help them, try to make that reliving easier. Talk to them, make them feel better, and if it I was to do it, I would try to make them feel stronger, to make them feel important while destroying the figure of the oppressor.

I don't mean to tell anyone how to live their lives, but that's what I'd like to feel and to do if I were in such situation. And you also assume that I'd directly jump on full time comedy show. Of course, at first I'd try to make them tell me how they feel, how can I help them, etc. but with time, I think it might be helpful to reduce the importance of what has happened. And by that I don't say that it's not a serious issue, but I don't think that you'd like to be explained how serious it is if you've lived through it. I don't know anyone who'd like to remember such horrible thing.

 

[UchihaBrat]

I thought up a really simple answer.
No, we are not enablers since we aren't responsible for their trains of thought, besides, it is the underlying comprehension of what the words mean in their context that decide whether they're 'enabling' the would-be or whatever rapists, well, even in the most obvious of senses it could still be distorted by the feeble-minded. It's like asking some random WoW-gamer not to think about the word 'raid' in the sense they know it, because they most likely will recollect that very meaning anyhow, though it is a bit more complicated in this case as the matter is more severe.

If people use it(the word rape), though it is a bit extreme and disgusts me, like they do as a way of saying 'pwn' or 'own' or whatnot, they aren't really responsible for how the would-be and whatever rapists would interpret it, depending in what context it is used of course.

I for one would never encourage rape nor can I imagine they who use the word while trying to say how much better character x is than y, would do so either when using it in that context, no matter how much it disturbs others or how dull and 'oh, their vocabulary is really lacking' it seems.

What enables a rapist to rape is mostly their sorrowful state to being with, that society is insensitive and aids that is inevitable, but I don't think they're intending to enable, not in those kinds of contexts.

What I want said with ^ is that you're taking it too seriously on a rather irrelevant subject, though I think I understand your frustration. It had been a completely different case had people been talking about how rape is ok or something sick like so, then I would've aided you wholeheartedly, but I can't completely agree with how you accuse others here, it's rather unsightly how you are so quick to judge.

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

To be honest, I haven't seen the word being used much nor do I use it, but I don't go to the Naruto section. I was talking about a situation when you speak with a victim. But either way, words are words, and as I said I everyone has their definition, and by what I understand, it's not really used as "sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent", rather than beating or destroying. And if you were to seriously describe in legal terms to the violation, won't you use sexual assault or violation instead? I don't know but I don't see the word rape in a serious conversation, but it's just me I guess.

I don't see it in many serious conversations ether - I see it used casually and THAT is the problem. [In many Chapter related threads in fact]

But using the word lightly won't change in no ways it's seriousness if the light was to put to the issue. I don't understand exactly why would that dismiss the importance of the issue. Usually people can make the difference between a use in a serious conversation and in a joke. It's all about the context you use the word in.

And if the word has another meaning in different context I don't understand why should it be directly connected to a sexual assault. In the same way, you can't use the word violate, because it can as well be understood in a different way. So in many ways, you can use a word because they have different meaning, that doesn't mean that you mean bad of the victims of an action.

But that doesn't mean you can't try to help them, try to make that reliving easier. Talk to them, make them feel better, and if it I was to do it, I would try to make them feel stronger, to make them feel important while destroying the figure of the oppressor.

I don't mean to tell anyone how to live their lives, but that's what I'd like to feel and to do if I were in such situation. And you also assume that I'd directly jump on full time comedy show. Of course, at first I'd try to make them tell me how they feel, how can I help them, etc. but with time, I think it might be helpful to reduce the importance of what has happened. And by that I don't say that it's not a serious issue, but I don't think that you'd like to be explained how serious it is if you've lived through it. I don't know anyone who'd like to remember such horrible thing.

I already explained it to you the best I could - sorry I couldn't explain it better.

As far as rape survivors go, after knowing 6 close friends — some of whom I dated — the only thing that is remotely close to help that a friend can do is give them some one to talk to. Some one who will simply listen. Acknowledge that their pain is real and that they really have been hurt. Don't try to dress what happened to them up to be some thing it isn't — that's meaningless.

I know how you feel - I have had those feelings of "what would I do" myself. The problem is that you aren't them & what happened to them is now their experience that they have to deal with. This in and of it's self is a burden that only time and friendship can heal. Time being the most important.

Survivors don't have to be told how serious what they lived through was but at the same time they don't need to be told it was a joke by hearing jokes about rape. Or told that it really wasn't that big of a deal by hearing people talk about rape casually.

I wish with all my heart that I could do more for those in my life who have been scared by sexual assault, that's when I have to remind myself that just being there can make a world of difference.

I thought up a really simple answer.
No, we are not enablers since we aren't responsible for their trains of thought, besides, it is the underlying comprehension of what the words mean in their context that decide whether they're 'enabling' the would-be or whatever rapists, well, even in the most obvious of senses it could still be distorted by the feeble-minded. It's like asking some random WoW-gamer not to think about the word 'raid' in the sense they know it, because they most likely will recollect that very meaning anyhow, though it is a bit more complicated in this case as the matter is more severe.

If people use it(the word rape), though it is a bit extreme and disgusts me, like they do as a way of saying 'pwn' or 'own' or whatnot, they aren't really responsible for how the would-be and whatever rapists would interpret it, depending in what context it is used of course.

An enabler can be some one who encourages through positive or negative reinforcement — the kind I'm talking about is done through words.

I for one would never encourage rape nor can I imagine they who use the word while trying to say how much better character x is than y, would do so either when using it in that context, no matter how much it disturbs others or how dull and 'oh, their vocabulary is really lacking' it seems.

What enables a rapist to rape is mostly their sorrowful state to being with, that society is insensitive and aids that is inevitable, but I don't think they're intending to enable, not in those kinds of contexts.

What I want said with ^ is that you're taking it too seriously on a rather irrelevant subject, though I think I understand your frustration. It had been a completely different case had people been talking about how rape is ok or something sick like so, then I would've aided you wholeheartedly, but I can't completely agree with how you accuse others here, it's rather unsightly how you are so quick to judge.

Listen — I'm not judging you as a person — from what you wrote I'm sure you're rather nice. I'm judging your words — which you may be using without knowledge of their force. That happens to every one before they become informed.

I hope that helps -

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Sigh...not gonna lie.

*raises hand high*

I've used it as a substitute to "own" or "pwn." X_X

 

[UchihaBrat]

An enabler can be some one who encourages through positive or negative reinforcement — the kind I'm talking about is done through words.


Listen — I'm not judging you as a person — from what you wrote I'm sure you're rather nice. I'm judging your words — which you may be using without knowledge of their force. That happens to every one before they become informed.

I hope that helps -

If you really think it's encouragement, then you really didn't understand what I wrote. They're not encouraging, it's the twisted mind of the would-be and whatnot rapists which interprets it like so, and the words we're talking about are always set in a context, so no matter how you word it, it's the context which decides its meaning(along with some other factors).

You're accusing and judging lots of people when you say that they're enablers, that isn't something you can escape from by saying you aren't, because they are writing these words. Simply saying that you're merely judging the words is taking them out of context and it doesn't work so simply.

And I fear you misjudge here, not even you know the 'force' of your words, because this 'force' is dependent on the reader's interpretation, which is a mess of all sort of intervening factors such as: How was this person's day, how is his/her experience in these matters, how would that and a lot more affect his/her understanding of what we write? Then it's the outer factors and how the writer words it etc., it's not really so simple as we might want it, though I agree that there is certain coherence that we can draw from the big picture, however doing so would be generalizing in the end.
If you're saying that you're informed about all this then I'm not very convinced, sorry.

And please don't misunderstand me, from what I can tell you're really nice, which is why I decided to be so serious with you.

 

[Wesobi]

You must be one of those people who take every word seriously an literally. When you say "**** you" are you actually saying you want to have sexual intercourse wth them? No, you are not. Read words in context.

Ehm, actually you're wrong. Even though **** is in some way a synonym for *** (while quite literally, it's actually a middle age abbreviation for Fornicating under Control of the King, but I won't get in to that), **** you doesn't mean you want to have intercourse with them. It's just a contextual use of the word that has evolved to the current state of it (or has been so since it has been used in the first place, I'm not sure), being an insult.

On topic: Rape is just a word used to show that you really overpower your opponent, since they can't do anything, and rape victims usually don't have any chance against rapist either.