[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

[Crearts]

I have a few questions and those might explain it:


1 - Q: Edo Tensei revives someone to the state he was before dying but here we see Madara very very old.

1 - A: Madara had a plan to fight Hashirama and die taking some of his powers so he prepared some kindof splitting technique. The splitted part doesn't count as being alive but would make use of Hashirama's powers to take the remaining Rinnegan and keep Madara's plan work. The splitted part would give Nagato the Rinnegan to revive the original Madara who died young with Rinnegan just after Hashirama's fight.


2 - Q: The Sharingan and Rinnegan eye modes, how does it work?

2 - A: If an eye is implanted then it keeps in its condition of being Sharingan or Rinnegan and doesn't become normal.

If it is Sharingan it can switch within the different Sharingan modes (from Sharingan to Mangekyou Sharingan) but can't change to Rinnegan whatever. If it is a Rinnegan it can't change to Sharingan. Nagato here fits cause he didn't awake the Rinnegan but got it implanted by Madara and that's why it's always in that condition (as I remember).

If Rinnegan is awaken by the same person, then he can switch from Rinnegan to Sharingan to normal whatever way he wants. But to awake EMS first, one has to take someone else MS eyes (maybe necessarily a relative/brother... I'm not sure). So about the implantation, maybe if he is a relative or an Uchiha, then, even if the eyes are implanted he still can switch between the different modes and that's why Edo Madara was able to switch as he wished.

 

[Indeed31]

So, no thoughts on how madara got hashi's body to save obito? And with susanoo being a technique of the uchiha, gedo mazo looks to be a wood conjuring. Is there a link to hashirama.

 

[palmer]

Tiny bitty okke dokke

 

[gotacigo]

i have a feeling, that Naruto will talk to Obito, till he turns good...after a good fight
like it happened by the fight between nagato and him...

Obito is disappointed, and angry, but Naruto will release it, and he will take that hatred too...

 

[gotacigo]

because its tha same statue

 

[jafz03]

this is just a theory but could that old man be a wood clone of madara's? i dunno what's the lifespan of the wood clones but madara gained access to the 1st hokage cells through a wood clone of the hashirama who is still alive and when resurrected by edo-tensei he was young and could use wood clones... perhaps he unlocked the rinnegan shortly before he died like he said and left a wood clone behind connected to the gedo statue to extend it's lifespan waiting for someone or something to happen?
i know it doesn't make much sense because the old madara (assuming it's him i know) didn't had his eyes but maybe the clone was made between rinnegan awakening and his death.

 

[Dagon]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, But when Madara released himself from Edo Tensei his dark eyes & Cracks on his face were gone yet now that he has appeared where Naruto and the rest are, His cracks are back. Could it be a drawing mistake or does that say something...

 

[Lambi]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, But when Madara released himself from Edo Tensei his dark eyes & Cracks on his face were gone yet now that he has appeared where Naruto and the rest are, His cracks are back. Could it be a drawing mistake or does that say something...

I think there's been too many drawing mistakes lately.

 

[Dagon]

It's not drawing mistakes, re-read Manga chapter(s) 592 then 601 and from there on his cracks are back. In chapter 591 he releases himself from edo and then on he had no signs of being under edo (cracks etc) till we see Madara again in 601

 

[MaskedMan]

4/5, y there´s a lot of info in this chapter, like Madara introducing to Obito, at least we know that obito used his "kamui" to save the remains of his body, so it seems he can use kamui with a phase2/3 sharingan? thought that he only could use kamui with MS on. Still a gd chapter imo.

 

[smitten]

After reading the last chapter, obito's reaction makes sense now after kabuto showed him his trump card. I have a feeling obito will betray madara like everybody else.

 

[DrunkenMonkey]

3/5 for me But I do wonder how madara has manipuilated him.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

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awesome chapter this week

 

[MaskedMan]

3/5 for me But I do wonder how madara has manipuilated him.

We might get our answers this week, i hope.

 

[squigles]

4/5, y there´s a lot of info in this chapter, like Madara introducing to Obito, at least we know that obito used his "kamui" to save the remains of his body, so it seems he can use kamui with a phase2/3 sharingan? thought that he only could use kamui with MS on. Still a gd chapter imo.

'You were collapsed in the underground passage I made..... next to a crumbled rock.'

Obito did not use Kamui or any other technique to survive. He just happened to be thrust down into the ground by the rock ninja's attack, and ended up falling into one of Madara's tunnels.

Kamui isn't the name of the MS eye tech. Kamui refers to a spirit or a god, and in the context of what has happened so far in the story, both Kakashi and Obito have classified their ocular powers as 'spiritual' or 'godly.' The difference between Kakashi and Obito's use of MS come down to the fact that Obito is an Uchiha and Kakashi is not.

Historically, Kakashi has used his Sharingan to gain a performance edge in both speed and accuracy with his techniques, as well as copy techniques that he's seen. When he awakened MS, his previous use of the Sharingan allowed him to use his MS to manipulate the space and time around an object, sending it into the next dimension.

However, Obito has developed his Sharingan as an Uchiha, learning how to manipulate space and time, applying that to his own body and the space around it. Being fused with Hashirama's DNA has likely increased Obito's powers to heights he never would have achieved on his own, and undoubtedly kept him alive in the first place. So unlike Kakashi, by the time Obito finally awoke his own MS, he was already capable of manipulating space and time to such a great degree, that MS wasn't necessary.

Obito only uses MS to pull objects from other dimensions into the current dimension, and then propel them outward.

Think of Sharingan as a NOS valve in a car. Two tomoe Sharingan increases performance a little bit, granting speed and accuracy as well as heightened senses. Three tomoe Sharingan increases performance a little more, granting more of the same benefits. Mangekyo Sharingan opens the valve a great deal, granting significantly increased performance, as well as unlocking new techniques. EMS does the same thing as MS, but without the side effects. Rinnegan opens the valve 100% and unlocks the most potent techniques.

So Kakashi is limited to how much he can do with his Sharingan simply because he's not an Uchiha, while Obito is not only an Uchiha, but he's also got Hashi's DNA, so he's much more capable with his Sharingan.

It's almost positive at this point that Rin was killed and both Kakashi and Obito witnessed it, which is how they both gained MS.

 

[SurfTheWebNoJutsu]

I think this chapter has also provided a decent amount of info regarding obito and madara.

For starters, this chapter explains why obito was able grow back his limbs in these chapters:

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**Remember when Torune touched Tobi's right arm and got infected? He cut his own arm off then grew just it back.**

Also, I read that one was wondering why Obito's left face in

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the last chapter was kinda roughed up. Well I think this is a result of just the drawing, because its in black and white that's why it looked like it was crushed or something. But in the colored version, it really wasnt.

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We've also found out where Madara was the entire time.

 

[KANGOLNY]

It just occurred to me that Zetsu may just be Zetsu and no one else. He is probably a plant clone of Hashirama dna mixed with Obito dna. The white zetsu represents the "light cycle" of a plant(Photosynthesis) and the black half represents the "dark cycle"(Calvin cycle)

 

[BudakPurba]

this chapter actually confirming about pst speculation ( people saying that obito=tobi & saves by madara/zetsu). congratz to them for speculation correctly.

i have a few question that i found weird lately..

1) isnt it the naruto bijuu modes is super fast... naruto can avoid the raikage super fast attacks.. but now it seems that naruto speed is just average like others.. even tobi can keep up with him... weird?? can anyone tell me... might kishi forget about this...
2) why naruto only attacks using the usual rasengan? where the other rasengan attacks.. wakusei rasengan / vacuum rsengan / rasengan riot... and the power of the rasengan is just like the normal attacks.. tobi was hit but taking low damages ( only masked broke)... why??.

my theory about the big tree.. that harashima maybe using a wood technique (like danzou - summon a tree wrapping / hitting madara) , so madara was defeated and trap inside the tree but not dead... he he he

 

[LuvNarutoSeries]

I have a few questions and those might explain it:


1 - Q: Edo Tensei revives someone to the state he was before dying but here we see Madara very very old.

1 - A: Madara had a plan to fight Hashirama and die taking some of his powers so he prepared some kindof splitting technique. The splitted part doesn't count as being alive but would make use of Hashirama's powers to take the remaining Rinnegan and keep Madara's plan work. The splitted part would give Nagato the Rinnegan to revive the original Madara who died young with Rinnegan just after Hashirama's fight.


2 - Q: The Sharingan and Rinnegan eye modes, how does it work?

2 - A: If an eye is implanted then it keeps in its condition of being Sharingan or Rinnegan and doesn't become normal.

If it is Sharingan it can switch within the different Sharingan modes (from Sharingan to Mangekyou Sharingan) but can't change to Rinnegan whatever. If it is a Rinnegan it can't change to Sharingan. Nagato here fits cause he didn't awake the Rinnegan but got it implanted by Madara and that's why it's always in that condition (as I remember).

If Rinnegan is awaken by the same person, then he can switch from Rinnegan to Sharingan to normal whatever way he wants. But to awake EMS first, one has to take someone else MS eyes (maybe necessarily a relative/brother... I'm not sure). So about the implantation, maybe if he is a relative or an Uchiha, then, even if the eyes are implanted he still can switch between the different modes and that's why Edo Madara was able to switch as he wished.

So Sasuke can awaken the rinnegan, as he is using his brother itachi's eyes.

 

[erosenin1000]

This chapter was quite good. Although it was a bit, too much joking around i liked it.
First thing I was wandering about: at the end of chapter 601 “madara” was saying that they are between this and the other world. That means he was more like clinging to live but not really alive. So I was thinking it might be the world/reality Obito’s Kamui is leading to might be the space Madara was living while being fed by Hashirama’s DNA. That could be the reason why he was revived by edo as a young madara
Next thing is about Zetsu. Might it be that he is a kind of root from Hashirama’s tree?
Then about Obito. When Madara was joining the fight between Naruto and Obito he said “…Well, it’s you… I guess you have some plan…” that means he trusts and respects “Obito”. His arm has something weird about it. I still don’t believe that it’s only Obito who we are seeing here. Maybe he was fusing with someone/something. Probably it has something to do with the person(s) Sasuke and Orochimaru want to go to.
I hope next chapter will be filled with a little bit more information.
My prediction would be we first learn how Madara is influencing Obito and bringing him back to “life” and then see the story line about Sasuke who will join the fight between them, on one or the other side 
Looking so forward to tomorrow or the day after… feels it’s going to be a really exciting chapter.