Obito is a Uchiha genius

[Bogard]

It's not confirmed he had ms vs minato for one thing. For second he isn't naturally gifted he is only "gifted" cause he served old Madaras "lower parts" if you recall last chap lol. He only has rinnegan gedo and hashi DNA izanagi or bijuu because he was Madaras little b**** boy. Hardly what I'd call a "genius"

What are you talking about? He did had MS against Minato. Where do you think his space time ninjutsu come from? It comes from Kamui obviously, what he used against Minato. About what he had thanks to Madara you talk as if he wanted Hashiramas DNA from the start. It's Madara the one who gave him that without his own will. What's even funny is that Sasuke only had MS because of Itachi, EMS because of Itachi, but there is no problem there right?

Edit: kamui is cool, call me weird but I'd rather have a susanoo tbh. And the whole going villain thing cause Rin died pathetic IMO. Everyone dies chap, get on with it.

If you say so, but tbh i prefer Kamui by far. Kamui offers him a better defense than Susanoo. There are methods to counter Susanoo, but there is absolute no methods to touch Obito if he want to(just stay in his other dimension), and can warp you in close combat. Furthermore, Kamui can even be use by far distance in Kakashis case(not even Amaterasu offers this possibility), and is invisible, so more difficult to dodge. Kamui is simply better in every compartiments for me. Susanoo can't protect against Kamui, when Kamui makes even Susanoo useless

 

[abhiraj]

Yamato Survived being injected with Hashirama's DNA when he was a baby. So from what u r saying, he is better than obito.
And he was Trained by F*cking Madara Uchiha, The greatest uchiha of all time and one of the greatest ninja ever. He had to turn out strong

 

[yondaime4]

What are you talking about? He did had MS against Minato. Where do you think his space time ninjutsu come from? It comes from Kamui obviously, what he used against Minato. About what he had thanks to Madara you talk as if he wanted Hashiramas DNA from the start. It's Madara the one who gave him that without his own will. What's even funny is that Sasuke only had MS because of Itachi, EMS because of Itachi, but there is no problem there right?

If you say so, but tbh i prefer Kamui by far. Kamui offers him a better defense than Susanoo. There are methods to counter Susanoo, but there is absolute no methods to touch Obito if he want to(just stay in his other dimension), and can warp you in close combat. Furthermore, Kamui can even be use by far distance in Kakashis case(not even Amaterasu offers this possibility), and is invisible, so more difficult to dodge. Kamui is simply better in every compartiments for me. Susanoo can't protect against Kamui, when Kamui makes even Susanoo useless

soooo if kamui is obviously a ms tech how did obito warp to madaras place right after awakening a 2 tamoe sharingan?

and how does kamui beat susanoo? by staying in the other dimension? thats a good way to win fights.

and kamui is long range but amaterasu isnt? both go as far as the eye can see so they are both equal in that sense

how is susanoo useless? kamui has no attack power, its only good for dodging.

im still unsure which i like better but to say susanno is useless is just dumb

Edit: kamui is a better defense, i should atleast give you the credit you deserve lol

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I would say he is Naruto genius in that he got where he was by training with Madara and having Hashirama's DNA. I do think it takes a upturn intelligence to use Kamui as he does in fights (being able to detect if an attack from his blindspot will hit him or not before he can make a capture), but then that could just be part of mastering a technique. Kamui deffinatly holds a more defensive (Obito's) than Susanoo as Sasuke's was broken by Danzo. The only true weakness to The defensive Kamui is litterally Kakashi...which is kind of lame as every jutsu is supposed to have a weakness, but this one wouldn't have one had Obito not given his eye away

 

[Bogard]

soooo if kamui is obviously a ms tech how did obito warp to madaras place right after awakening a 2 tamoe sharingan?

It was never said Obito warped himself to Madaras place, so don't know where you're getting this from

and how does kamui beat susanoo? by staying in the other dimension? thats a good way to win fights.

There are 2ways. He can simply warp some part of his body in the other dimension, and since he is intangible, Susanoo or not it won't make a difference, he could phase through it and warp the Susanoo user. Other way is simply using Kamui by far distance and warp the Susanoo user again instantly

and kamui is long range but amaterasu isnt? both go as far as the eye can see so they are both equal in that sense

Nope, Amaterasu has a limit of range where it appears(0-5M), after that you can manipulate it to make it travel, but Kamui is a long range attack, you can use it everywhere you can see instantly. That's the difference between Kamui and Amaterasu. What i say is coming from Databook

how is susanoo useless? kamui has no attack power, its only good for dodging.

Cuz Susanoo can't touch something which is on the other dimension, so Obito could even phase through Susanoo easily

 

[htmwall]

there's nothing genius about an eye that grant you an instant one-shot killing jutsu,that you don't have to learn and it gets better with only more usage

 

[konoha eleven]

Yeap... Obito is absolutely one of a genius Uchiha...


This is kinda off topic but i really wonder about why is Obito's eye
didn't go blind after been use continuesly?? Kakashi's eye are about to lose
sight after using it a couple of times... plus, Kakashi only awakened
his MS recently (not long before shippuden arc begin) while Obito
is already use Kamui when he fought with Minato 16 years ago...
do you think it also bcoz of Hashirama's DNA??

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Yes with the help of madara he became a genius but look at Madara anyone that goes under his wing will defiantly become a genius if they have the potential

 

[yondaime4]

It was never said Obito warped himself to Madaras place, so don't know where you're getting this from

There are 2ways. He can simply warp some part of his body in the other dimension, and since he is intangible, Susanoo or not it won't make a difference, he coud phase through it and warp the Susanoo user. Other way is simply using Kamui by far distance and warp the Susanoo user again instantly

Nope, Amaterasu has a limit of range where it appears(0-5M), after that you can manipulate it to make it travel, but Kamui is a long range attack, you can use it everywhere you can see instantly. That's the difference between Kamui and Amaterasu. What i say is coming from Databook

Cuz Susanoo can't touch something which is on the other dimension, so Obito could even phase through Susanoo easily

how the hell do you think obito got to where madara was?

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it seems he SLIPPED through. dont act dumb cause i know your not lol

If obito phases through susanoo he cant warp away the user at the same time, he would have to solidify in order to warp him away, so that leaves an opening. and if he is at a distance it would be easier to dodge.

lmao amaterasu only goes 5m really? thats in the data book?
cmon man thats a straight up lie to support your theory

"Though stated in the data book to burn everything reflected on its retina, Zetsu also commented that the Amaterasu burns everything within Itachi's wide field of vision to cinders with an unholy black flame, to the degree of being able to burn an entire forest or village with it. Where ever the user focuses his eye on a object, the flames will appear at the exact spot without moving making it unavoidable as long as the user keeps his vision on the target."

 

[Bogard]

it seems he SLIPPED through. dont act dumb cause i know your not lol

Slip through here can also mean that somehow he managed to avoid the rocks, not necessarly that he became intangible. Anyway it's something we can't say for sure since all what we're saying are just assumptions, no real facts. We can just wait to see what really happened

If obito phases through susanoo he cant warp away the user at the same time, he would have to solidify in order to warp him away, so that leaves an opening. and if he is at a distance it would be easier to dodge.

He can only solidify his finger to warp the user simple

lmao amaterasu only goes 5m really? thats in the data book?
cmon man thats a straight up lie to support your theory

I know you're a Itachi fan, and i don't want to break your heart, but what i'm saying is the truth, and this is my proof. Here is the link for Amaterasu:

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Amaterasu

User(s): Uchiha Itachi
Rank: -
TNG: Ninjutsu (Bloodline Limit)
Range: Close
Type: Attack

Like you can see, it's stated that the range is close. Now in comparison to kamui:

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Authority of the Gods* (神威, Kamui)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Defensive, All ranges
User: Hatake Kakashi

It clearly state that Kamui is all ranges

 

[Stark]

Madara > Obito

But I do agree, he is a genius indeed.

 

[yondaime4]

Slip through here can also mean that somehow he managed to avoid the rocks, not necessarly that he became intangible. Anyway it's something we can't say for sure since all what we're saying are just assumptions, no real facts. We can just wait to see what really happened

He can only solidify his finger to warp the user simple

I know you're a Itachi fan, and i don't want to break your heart, but what i'm saying is the truth, and this is my proof. Here is the link for Amaterasu:

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Like you can see, it's stated that the range is close. Now in comparison to kamui:

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It clearly state that Kamui is all ranges

lmao he avoided the rocks?
cmon man your acting dumb again, but i will agree to wait and see cause we both know im right

solidify his finger? your clearly not able to understand how kamui works, so ill try to dumb it down for ya.
in order to go intangible obito focus' on a body part or the whole body and sends it to another dimension agreed? good.
now if he wants to warp something else he has to focus on it to warp it, meaning he cant focus on two differant things at the same time, its like looking in two differant directions at the same time. if he had both eyes maybe itd be differant but understanding how it works now, do you understand why he cant be intangible and warp susanoo?

finally amaterasu works the exact same way as kamui man, i dont care how many fake ass databases you check, unless its nb data or narutopedia data it is irrelevant. the fact is if he can see it then it burns. just like if obito can see it he can warp it.

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sure im an itachi fanboy but it is itachi who taught me to analyze all aspects rationally before coming to a conclusion. not just say itachi beats everyone low diff. having that in mind do you really think sasuke was 5 meters away when he got bee? or itachi was 5 meters away when he caught sasuke and burned a whole forest? cmon man give your head a shake

 

[yondaime4]

I would say he is Naruto genius in that he got where he was by training with Madara and having Hashirama's DNA. I do think it takes a upturn intelligence to use Kamui as he does in fights (being able to detect if an attack from his blindspot will hit him or not before he can make a capture), but then that could just be part of mastering a technique. Kamui deffinatly holds a more defensive (Obito's) than Susanoo as Sasuke's was broken by Danzo. The only true weakness to The defensive Kamui is litterally Kakashi...which is kind of lame as every jutsu is supposed to have a weakness, but this one wouldn't have one had Obito not given his eye away

i agree mostly. but minato exposed obito, sure if obito doesnt to want to get hit he wont, but in order to attack he needs to solidify leaving an opening

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

ok good point, but kamui is just so random imo, all uchiha have the same tech until ms. at least thats what i thoughtt but obito has 3 tamoe kamui? i dunno kishi missed me wit that ish

edit: obito had 2 tamoes sorry

lmao true, but hopefully this will all be explained lol. I know this may be selfish but i kinda wish kishi would do like two chapters aweek instead of one; but i'm okay with just one ( As long as kishi keeps writing i'll keep reading lol.)

 

[Bogard]

sure im an itachi fanboy but it is itachi who taught me to analyze all aspects rationally before coming to a conclusion. not just say itachi beats everyone low diff. having that in mind do you really think sasuke was 5 meters away when he got bee? or itachi was 5 meters away when he caught sasuke and burned a whole forest? cmon man give your head a shake

I tell you that there is no real facts that he really went intangible to slip through and it's true, we've no facts. All what you say is just an assumption, but we don't really know what happened. We can just wait to see if Kishimoto explains it better, but unless you show me a link where it's stated he went intangible to do so, we can't say for sure if you're right or not, but you still act like a kid, not wanting to understand what i say and only there to type stupid "lmao" everywhere.

I brought you a link which shows you are wrong, but you actually says that it's fake, that i'm lying. So with all that i already know you're opinion is already biaised. The fact you like Itachi too much, makes you fail to realise things, make you go against facts said by the creator of this manga himself. The link i posted you come from a famous site and they never say BS, but you can believe what you wanted. All what i could do now is to show you this other link(where there are even pictures in it) and hope you understand now that you're wrong. This is the link:

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If it's not the case, then it's not necessary to continue to debate

 

[yondaime4]

lmao true, but hopefully this will all be explained lol. I know this may be selfish but i kinda wish kishi would do like two chapters aweek instead of one; but i'm okay with just one ( As long as kishi keeps writing i'll keep reading lol.)

agreed 100% i remember when i got into naruto, it was already into shippuden and i spent days watching part 1 and i wish i had that unlimited library again. i remember the first time i had to wait for an ep or manga, almost pulled my hair out. then i found bleach. its not as good but still good. and as you said as long as kishi keeps writing ill keep reading.

I tell you that there Is no real facts that he really went intangible to slip through and it's true, we've no facts. All what you say is just an assumption, but we don't really know what happened. We can just wait to see if Kishimoto explains it better, but unless you show me a link where it's stated he went intangible to do so, we can't say for sure if you're right or not, but you still act like a kid, not wanting to understand what i say and only there to type stupid "lmao" everywhere.
I brought you a link which shows you are wrong, but you actually says that it's fake, that i'm lying. So with all that i already know you're opinion is already biaised. The fact you like Itachi too much, makes you fail to realise things, make you go against facts said by the creator of this manga himself. The link i posted you come from a famous site and they never say BS, but you can believe what you wanted. All what i could do now is to show you this other link(where there are even pictures in it) and hope you understand now that you're wrong. This is the link:

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If it's not the case, then it's not necessary to continue to debate

i said i would agree to wait and see did i not? even though madara saying maybe obito slipped through is not fact but a blatent implication i will again agree to wait and see.

as for amaterasu only going 5 m is just so ridiculous i dont care where your source is because as i showed you the MANGA even supports what i said. but just for you ill create a thread. how about majority rules eh?

sorry for all the lmao i just think your hilarious and want you to know it : D

 

[BossManKakashi]

Susanoo is one of the greatest defenses mixed with one of
The greatest offenses, I would much rather prefer that to just slipping into another dimension. And honestly kamui is overrated he as never been able to absorb a non fodder ninja so it's actually useless as offense according to feats and logic. Even guy can counter it

 

[yondaime4]

Susanoo is one of the greatest defenses mixed with one of
The greatest offenses, I would much rather prefer that to just slipping into another dimension. And honestly kamui is overrated he as never been able to absorb a non fodder ninja so it's actually useless as offense according to feats and logic. Even guy can counter it

agreed and welcome to nb

 

[Bogard]

Susanoo is one of the greatest defenses mixed with one of
The greatest offenses, I would much rather prefer that to just slipping into another dimension. And honestly kamui is overrated he as never been able to absorb a non fodder ninja so it's actually useless as offense according to feats and logic. Even guy can counter it

Funny to say that when we know Kamui has even better feats than Amaterasu. Kamui already managed to put powerful Danzo body guards in the other dimension, cut Deidaras arm, put Sasuke and Karin quickly in the other dimension, put a lot of people quickly in the other dimension, warped BM Naruto in an instant. Even Minato(4th Hokage) was almost warped instantly if he didn't had FTG(instant teleportation technique)

What are Amaterasu feats? Not even able to burn a Samurai fodder

 

[Lentz]

Obito has vast intimate knowledge of the ninja world, he's a master manipulator and ninjutsu master, easily controlling several tailed beasts at once. So yeah, he's the beast.