Certain things im not understanding??? am i the only one

[dwigg]

Ok, i do know that Madara used izanagi to escape death from the 1st. Reason why he was missing an eye when him and obito meet.

My whole thing is obito's time warp i mean when him and the 4th had their meeting obito "seemed" to have grown atleast 2 feet taller, increase in skill and intellect and had his kamui ability(which i figured he gained once rein died) yet that doesnt explain how kakashi gained his MS almost 17 years later. Also wouldnt that make Obito at the most 25 years older than the current kakashi im very confused on obito's time line???? :shrug:

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Ok, i do know that Madara used izanagi to escape death from the 1st. Reason why he was missing an eye when him and obito meet.

Circumstantial evidence does not lead to one knowing something.

 

[ShinraRengan]

If he did awake his MS a while ago, there's a chance Kakashi didn't know how to use it.
He was probably trained by Madara himself so that explains his skills.
And if you think about it, they were like 16 when that attack happened, look at how tall some of them got.

 

[dwigg]

Circumstantial evidence does not lead to one knowing something.

by that meant i have a valid explanation

 

[Sir Blades]

Ok, i do know that Madara used izanagi to escape death from the 1st. Reason why he was missing an eye when him and obito meet.

My whole thing is obito's time warp i mean when him and the 4th had their meeting obito "seemed" to have grown atleast 2 feet taller, increase in skill and intellect and had his kamui ability(which i figured he gained once rein died) yet that doesnt explain how kakashi gained his MS almost 17 years later. Also wouldnt that make Obito at the most 25 years older than the current kakashi im very confused on obito's time line???? :shrug:

madara only had one eye because he had already given his eyes to nagato and had gathered one sharingan for survival.

 

[dwigg]

If he did awake his MS a while ago, there's a chance Kakashi didn't know how to use it.
He was probably trained by Madara himself so that explains his skills.
And if you think about it, they were like 16 when that attack happened, look at how tall some of them got.

Not saying your wrong........... but madara corrupted obito in a matter of years to the point where almost surpassed his form master, controls the 9tails, masters his MS??? i means this is obito not itachi or sasuke. im just saying

 

[Prime Rib]

he said he gave his eye away

 

[Uchiha Legacy]

If he used Izanagi when he fought Hashirama how did he give Nagato two Rinnegans? Besides I am pretty sure using Izanagi would look like the way Danzo and Obito used it(Disappearing body) and Hashirama would have surely noticed, yet it was stated even Hashirama thought he was dead. Obito was around 14-15 when he fought Minato and IRL kids usually have about a foot or two growth spurt when they reach that age so it seems reasonable to me. The rest is simple Madara turned him into a murdering machine within a year or so. And about Kakashi no one really knows about his MS yet. All it took was the death of Rin to wake Obito to reality, not Naruto's perfect little world were everything is simple.

 

[K3nny24]

kakashi was the same height during the attack your argument is invalid

 

[dwigg]

madara only had one eye because he had already given his eyes to nagato and had gathered one sharingan for survival.

sorry for the double post......... but madara could barely leave that cave plus obito did say "he himself" gave those eyes to nagato........do you remeber that?

 

[dwigg]

kakashi was the same height during the attack your argument is invalid

it wasnt an arguement, i want a clear understanding....... clearly im confused

 

[Codex]

sorry for the double post......... but madara could barely leave that cave plus obito did say "he himself" gave those eyes to nagato........do you remeber that?

Obito also told Kabuto that he fought the 1st Hokage and used his DNA to grow the Hashi-tree. The same tree that appears in the most recent chapter, and which Obito clearly did not create.

The point is: almost every word that has ever come out of Obito's mouth, and everything we know about the story up to this point, has been a lie.

 

[Altaneen]

Ok, i do know that Madara used izanagi to escape death from the 1st. Reason why he was missing an eye when him and obito meet.

My whole thing is obito's time warp i mean when him and the 4th had their meeting obito "seemed" to have grown atleast 2 feet taller, increase in skill and intellect and had his kamui ability(which i figured he gained once rein died) yet that doesnt explain how kakashi gained his MS almost 17 years later. Also wouldnt that make Obito at the most 25 years older than the current kakashi im very confused on obito's time line???? :shrug:

1 He did not use Izanagi, his one eye is not his eye he had when he fought Hashi. The eyes he had when he fought Hashi are in Nagato's head as of chapter 602.

2 He didn't grow 2 feet taller. Obito was always tall, he was taller than Kakashi during Kakashi gaiden, and Kakashi was roughly Naruto's height during the attack on Konoha.

Minato is also not very tall, Naruto is about the same height as Minato seen here

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Just because Kakashi didn't have his MS is no reason to think Obito shouldn't have. His increase in skill, and intellect is no suprise, he was trained by the most OP shinobi ever.

Lastly, I dont get how you figure Obito's 25 years older than Kakashi?

 

[6PathsofKami]

If he used Izanagi when he fought Hashirama how did he give Nagato two Rinnegans? Besides I am pretty sure using Izanagi would look like the way Danzo and Obito used it(Disappearing body) and Hashirama would have surely noticed, yet it was stated even Hashirama thought he was dead. Obito was around 14-15 when he fought Minato and IRL kids usually have about a foot or two growth spurt when they reach that age so it seems reasonable to me. The rest is simple Madara turned him into a murdering machine within a year or so. And about Kakashi no one really knows about his MS yet. All it took was the death of Rin to wake Obito to reality, not Naruto's perfect little world were everything is simple.

Exactly this, +rep saved me the trouble of typing all this.

@Codex It wasn't really a lie, he was acting as Madara so obviously he will talk about stuff that Madara did as if he did it, people forget this that he was acting as him and think whatever he was saying was the thing he did and not Madara if that makes sense lol.

 

[Whiteknight]

Ok, i do know that Madara used izanagi to escape death from the 1st. Reason why he was missing an eye when him and obito meet.

No. At least, not completely.

Madara and Hashirama fought BEFORE the first ninja war. Madara apparently died then.

Madara unlocked the Rinnegan and then gave BOTH his Rinnegan eyes to Nagato during the Second world war.

Madara was later seen with only one eye during the third world war.

If Madara used Izanagi, he did it with a spare eye, not one of his EMS eyes (or, alternatively, EMS eyes do not go blind when you use Izanagi).

My whole thing is obito's time warp i mean when him and the 4th had their meeting obito "seemed" to have grown atleast 2 feet taller, increase in skill and intellect and had his kamui ability(which i figured he gained once rein died) yet that doesnt explain how kakashi gained his MS almost 17 years later. Also wouldnt that make Obito at the most 25 years older than the current kakashi im very confused on obito's time line???? :shrug:

We don't know when Kakashi unlocked his MS. We never saw it before the time skip, but he didn't have any reasons to use it before then either. Plus, Kakashi's chakra reserves grew substantially during the timeskip, he might have had Kamui before but wasn't able to use it much because he didn't have enough chakra.

Chapter 602 hinted that Obito unlocked the MS, at least partially, while trapped under that boulder. Kakashi may not have experienced the equivalent feelings of loss and stress for a long time later.

There's no evidence that Obito is older than Kakashi.

Keep in mind that Obito's body has been enhanced by hashirama's DNA, which likely gives him a significant power boost over what it was when he died.

 

[Simple Math]

he left them to someone else

 

[dwigg]

o ok thanks you guys for your post i hd everything wrong............lol

 

[Codex]

@Codex It wasn't really a lie, he was acting as Madara so obviously he will talk about stuff that Madara did as if he did it, people forget this that he was acting as him and think whatever he was saying was the thing he did and not Madara if that makes sense lol.

True. That's the point I was trying to argue (just b/c Obito said he did something doesn't mean it actually was him and not Madara). However, the example I used is somewhat different in that Obito was acting as Madara to Kabuto, who knew (and Obito knew he knew, as per the 6th coffin) he was not Madara. So either Kishi was just screwing with our heads to make us continue (at that point) to believe Tobi was Madara, or the "revelation" that Tobi is Obito isn't quit the whole truth.

 

[Seventh Hokage]

could old madara have given his remaining right eye to obito which is how his strength, intellect, and hatred grown so dramatically?? and also obitos remaining right eye is the defensive eye it would have given him a type of phasing ability much like itachis powerful genjutsu without MS but not enough for him to phase into another dimension