Madara only had one ''stolen'' Sharingan / The way Obito awakened his MS [Thoughts]

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Madara only has one Sharingan / The way Obito awakened his MS [Thoughts]

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What did we learn?

In the latest chapter, I think we all noticed Madara showing off only one implanted Sharingan. In the same page, Madara said ''I left my eyes to someone else'' which is without a doubt Nagato. During the fight between Tobi and Konan, he said he was to one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan which is true since he was acting as ''Madara Uchiha'' however, Obito isn't the one who ''created'' the Rinnegan or what so ever. We also learned that Obito slipped through the cave... interesting indeed!

Madara with only one Implanted Sharingan

This part is confusing, we already know he probably left his eyes to Nagato but why did he replace his eyes with only 1 Sharingan? He probably stole it by killing an Uchiha but why didn't he implant both eyes? This is so weird it makes me believe the Sharingan he had was a ms. I don't believe he could steal any Sharingan and awaken the MS since the events to awaken it only happens one in a life time and even if this is wrong, why did he wear another sharingan and awaken the MS with both at the sametime?

You need to have both eyes to awaken it's full potential

I don't understand why Madara mentioned this because why didn't he simply implant the uchiha he killed second eye to ''awaken it's full potential''? From what I know, having two ordinary sharing an doesn't give it's user any new Jutsu unless if their both ms where there's a chance you can master Susano. Does it mean the sharingan he had already awakened MS? If he did, from who did he get it from? Did he suspect Obito to have awakened his MS since he ''sliped through'' **Kamui** to fall in the cave? At his age and state, even if he did steal Obito's Sharingan, he wouldn't have gone far since he couldn't get out of the cave so he probably only tried to scare Obito.

He probably awakened and then gave the Rinnegan before being it that awful state

He mentioned he couldn't leave the cave so I don't see how he could have implanted his eyes with Nagato. Even if he did give it a while before meeting Obito, Nagato was around five years older than Obito and Nagato got it when he was still young (don't know their age). This means he gave his Rinnegan to Nagato between 1-10 years before finding Obito. Even if it was 10 years earlier, at his age, I don't see how it could have changed anything ( he would still be weak and relying on Hashirama Chakra to survive ). Do you think the Rinnegan gave him the extra power to still be able to actually leave the cave?

If the Rinnegan actually give you an extra boost...

Can this be the proof that you can automatically awaken the Rinnegan with two MS + Senju DNA? That's why Obito's eye would have been ''useful'' to him? I don't know, this seems pretty far thinking but everything it possible in the narutuniverse.

Obito ''Slipping through'' the cave... Pff like if Kishi would give such an stupid explanation

Like I mentioned before, maybe when the rest of the rocks failed on him, he somehow awakened his MS and used Kamui to slip through the ground. The right side didn't seem to be damaged even though it should be since the rest of the rocks should have crushed that part as well. Madara is the one who cured him and he probably suspected the use of Kamui since they weren't any apparent way for Obito to actual be there. This would explain why his Sharingan would have been ''useful'' from him.

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Nagato not being aware of Madara implanting his Rinnegan on him

That's bs, he knew about the plan and everything to it. He didn't slip through the night and implant his rinnegan on him ( like if Madara could do all of that and then implant another eye on himself so he can actual see ). I heard this theory somewhere and hope it vanished forever.

Hey man! These are just thoughts.
 
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Madara put him through serious training and pain. U_U
 

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Yah I'm wondering about that eye Madara is using too. I mean Madara must of been the one who controlled Kirigakure before Obito did, so if he was controlling Yagura, he had to be using some super OP genjustu that allowed him to control a perfect host
 

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Yah I'm wondering about that eye Madara is using too. I mean Madara must of been the one who controlled Kirigakure before Obito did, so if he was controlling Yagura, he had to be using some super OP genjustu that allowed him to control a perfect host

I think it was Obito, he maybe used zetsu to look like Madara but I doubt it was the real Madara.
 
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I agree with this thread. I think the things Kishi has shown to us are to throw us off because people think they have it figured out. I believe Madara had help doing these things from someone in the Leaf but I really don't know who.
 

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Way i see it zetsu was prolly island surfing (literally) then found Tobi under a pile of rocks and brought him to madara since he has the sharingan and is an uchiha but the part about slipping through the cave is highly possible.
 

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how can you unlock MS if you don't have 3 tomoe ?

He has 3 Tomoe, the third one is hard to spot.
Between when you have 2 Tomoe, they are separated by 180degrees while when you have 3 Tomoe it's 120degrees.
 

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He has 3 Tomoe, the third one is hard to spot.
Between when you have 2 Tomoe, they are separated by 180degrees while when you have 3 Tomoe it's 120degrees.

nope it's 2 tomoe

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Way i see it zetsu was prolly island surfing (literally) then found Tobi under a pile of rocks and brought him to madara since he has the sharingan and is an uchiha but the part about slipping through the cave is highly possible.

Yes but in that case his whole body would be totally crushed.
Also, if zetsu was involved how come Madara didn't understand how he survived?

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nope it's 2 tomoe

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Nevermind, I thought you were talking about Madara's Sharingan then yes you are right.

Is said anywhere that you actual had to have 3 Tomoe to awaken the MS?

He slipped through which clearly make it seems like he used Kamui otherwise the only other option is that somehow the ground failed or something like that which would be an awful explanation by Kishi.
 
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Yes but in that case his whole body would be totally crushed.
Also, if zetsu was involved how come Madara didn't understand how he survived?
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i was just asking but u may be right
 

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Nevermind, I thought you were talking about Madara's Sharingan then yes you are right.

Is said anywhere that you actual had to have 3 Tomoe to awaken the MS?

He slipped through which clearly make it seems like he used Kamui otherwise the only other option is that somehow the ground failed or something like that which would be an awful explanation by Kishi.

not really but so far in the manga those who have ms have 3 tomoe
 

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In the same manga scan Madara said he didn't know how the rock was unable to crush obito yet he says the rock did crush obito inded ?
 

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In the same manga scan Madara said he didn't know how the rock was unable to crush obito yet he says the rock did crush obito inded ?

He said: It's almost as if you were able to slip away from it.. which is the definition of Kamui.
Through the whole series, all Obito (tobi) has done it slip away from attacks and stuff. If it's not Kamui, Kishi is trolling us on purpose by adding those lines.

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He said: It's almost as if you were able to slip away from it.. which is the definition of Kamui.
Through the whole series, all Obito (tobi) has done it slip away from attacks and stuff. If it's not Kamui, Kishi is trolling us on purpose by adding those lines.

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im not saying ur wrong
Then again maybe after he got crushed them he slipped :shrug:
i mean obito has been shown to use kamui with 3 tomoe (correct me if i am wrong)
 

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im not saying ur wrong

i mean obito has been shown to use kamui with 3 tomoe (correct me if i am wrong)

Yes your right, could this mean he was able to use Kamui without having or using MS?
This would also explain why he was able to use Kamui back then.
 

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Yes your right, could this mean he was able to use Kamui without having or using MS?
This would also explain why he was able to use Kamui back then.

well the manga did say he slipped through and he does it with 3 tomoe. The kakashi comes in play, why could he not use kamui with 3 tomoe why wait till MS?

but ur theory seems possible he could have unlocked Ms but didn't know how to activate it since he did do it sub consciously.
 

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well the manga did say he slipped through and he does it with 3 tomoe. The kakashi comes in play, why could he not use kamui with 3 tomoe why wait till MS?

but ur theory seems possible he could have unlocked Ms but didn't know how to activate it since he did do it sub consciously.

I don't know why Kakashi has to activate his MS to use Kamui, probably because it requires MS to be actived since Kakashi couldn't use it before he obtained the MS. We still don't know how Obito is able to use Kamui without showing his MS.
We will get more answers in the upcoming mangas.
 
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