Kakashi vs 1 Naruto's clone (in chakra/bijuu mode)

[Bogard]

Sure, but that clone can make KM clones on his own. And just becuase Kakashi can make clone doesnt change the fact that BM Naruto can speedblitz him.

Nope, it changes and even greatly. Just imagine. He speedblitz and hurt a raiton kage bunshin. Paralysed, Kakashi kamui him. End. Also, you seems to forget that Kakashi is a doton user also. While he can leave the clone fighting Naruto, he can easily hide underground waiting for an opportunity to strike, and eventhough his Shunshin is not on Narutos, Minato, or Raikages level, Kakashi is still one of the fastest ninja in NV. With his Raikiri for example, he was able to fight on par with Gai in 6gates. With his great arsenal(Raiden which has a great range), Kage Bunshin user himself, Kamui(an instant technique) and a lot of other techniques he has, i honestly think you're overrating Narutos clone if you believe he can beat Kakashi

If that clone has enough chakra to use BM and mini TBB, then I have no doubts that he can also use Shunshin on his normal level.

Maybe, but why didn't he managed to speedblitz Madara then?

 

[Turson]

Nope, it changes and even greatly. Just imagine. He speedblitz and hurt a raiton kage bunshin. Paralysed, Kakashi kamui him.

Thats possible scenario. Still, that clone can use clones on his own and use them to confirm if its real Kakashi or not.

Maybe, but why didn't he managed to speedblitz Madara then?

And why Kakashi didnt just use Kamui on Deva paths head, if he was able to do it on nail that was flying to his head later? The answer is simple: becuase Kishimoto didnt want to.

 

[Takos]

Needed? You use this word too loosely, Madara would have died vs FRS without rinnegan too I guess.

I don't think you understand.
Madara using Rinnegan doesn't need help of any outside help, that is, help from someone else. Rinnegan is HIS OWN power. That's when we use the term "solo".

Naruto used another person's jutsu, that is, received help from outside of his own power. That's when we DON'T use the term "solo".

 

[TheSages456]

I'm just saying if he took any damage whatsoever from that ET would have healed it. So Naruto clone vs Raikage when Naruto solod him was the same as full health raikage fighting him. you just supported my point more.

Why does that matter, it's not that specific weakness that he has anything to do with. If anything the smartest Naruto character would have deduced it but apparently he didn't. Raikage was too slow, his weakness is "his own jutsu", if he was living he would have just died instead
. Needed? You use this word too loosely, Madara would have died vs FRS without rinnegan too I guess.


Yeah...somethjing tells me you don't have the scans to support that

what? real 3rd raikage knows his own weakness. if he sees naruto rushing at his arm, he will know what naruto is trying to do. the 3rd raikage didnt exploit his edo regeneration at all in that fight. thats like saying that part 1 hashirama and tobirama werent affected by orochimaru controlling them.

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"naruto and gaaras first battle alongside one another". words from kishi himself. it wasnt a solo effort. without gaaras sand platform, the clone dies to jinton. its that simple.

you want me to post a scan to why a clone would disappear after getting hit by shinra tensei? yeah....no

 

[Bogard]

Thats possible scenario. Still, that clone can use clones on his own and use them to confirm if its real Kakashi or not.

In KM or BM, he can only sense negativ intent if i remember correct(not chakra). It's in SM that he is able to sense chakra. And eventhen, what you forget is that sensing chakra doesn't help to know if it's the original or a clone. It only helps to detect people. So he won't be able to know who is the clone and who is the original

And why Kakashi didnt just use Kamui on Deva paths head, if he was able to do it on nail that was flying to his head later? The answer is simple: becuase Kishimoto didnt want to.

Fair enough. You're right on this part. Sometimes, it's as if Naruto wasn't even faster than Obito, Kakashi or Gai

 

[Turson]

In KM or BM, he can only sense negativ intent if i remember correct(not chakra). It's in SM that he is able to sense chakra. And eventhen, what you forget is that sensing chakra doesn't help to know if it's the original or a clone. It only helps to detect people. So he won't be able to know who is the clone and who is the original

No, no, no. I meant that they will find out if its original or clone through fight. But you reminded me that Naruto can sense negative emotions... in that case he should know that Kakashi is hiding underground.

 

[Bogard]

No, no, no. I meant that they will find out if its original or clone through fight. But yoy reminded be that Naruto can sense negative emotions... in that case he should know that Kakashi is hiding underground.

Yeah but he needs

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to be able to sense negativ emotions, so he would only use it if he feels something wrong. It's not something that he would do if he is concentrated on his task in the middle of a fight, so i don't know why he will do that if he doesn't know what's is going on

 

[Turson]

Yeah but he needs to concentrate to be able to sense negativ emotions

Yet, he wasnt concentrating when he felt Kisame in Samehada.

It's not something that he would do if he is concentrated on his task in the middle of a fight

Hes using clones as well. Even if he has to concentrate, one of the clones can do it for him.

 

[Joki]

I don't think you understand.
Madara using Rinnegan doesn't need help of any outside help, that is, help from someone else. Rinnegan is HIS OWN power. That's when we use the term "solo".

Naruto used another person's jutsu, that is, received help from outside of his own power. That's when we DON'T use the term "solo".

You clearly missed the point of what I meant by that. "EMS Madara" would have died to FRS there? He's using logic that "because he did X, he obviously can't do anything other than X". I'm sure EMS Madara has counters and wasn't required to resort to rinnegan to survive that. That's ridiculous.

what? real 3rd raikage knows his own weakness. if he sees naruto rushing at his arm, he will know what naruto is trying to do. the 3rd raikage didnt exploit his edo regeneration at all in that fight. thats like saying that part 1 hashirama and tobirama werent affected by orochimaru controlling them.

No he wouldn't, last I checked Raikage has no other scars, no one has ever even attempted that. Raikages are no battle geniuses, if your forgot that. Why would Naruto charge at his arm anyway? That's also retarded battle tactic, Naruto stands there just like he did vs him before, dodges his strike just like he did before, and when raikage is compeltely vulnerable just like he was before, Naruto his his arm with rasengan just like he did before. That's game. Deal with it.

"naruto and gaaras first battle alongside one another". words from kishi himself. it wasnt a solo effort. without gaaras sand platform, the clone dies to jinton. its that simple.

See above, and if you don't have scans of Muu being faster reactions than 3rd Raikage, then yeah..he's gonna have to not use jinton if he doesn't want to die instantly.

you want me to post a scan to why a clone would disappear after getting hit by shinra tensei? yeah....no

I want yoyu to post the exact instance you think being a clone would make a difference than being real Naruto. So yeah, post that shit son. Or was that an excuse because you can't? Hmmmmmmm..

 

[TheSages456]

You clearly missed the point of what I meant by that. "EMS Madara" would have died to FRS there? He's using logic that "because he did X, he obviously can't do anything other than X". I'm sure EMS Madara has counters and wasn't required to resort to rinnegan to survive that. That's ridiculous.
No he wouldn't, last I checked Raikage has no other scars, no one has ever even attempted that. Raikages are no battle geniuses, if your forgot that. Why would Naruto charge at his arm anyway? That's also retarded battle tactic, Naruto stands there just like he did vs him before, dodges his strike just like he did before, and when raikage is compeltely vulnerable just like he was before, Naruto his his arm with rasengan just like he did before. That's game. Deal with it.
See above, and if you don't have scans of Muu being faster reactions than 3rd Raikage, then yeah..he's gonna have to not use jinton if he doesn't want to die instantly.

I want yoyu to post the exact instance you think being a clone would make a difference than being real Naruto. So yeah, post that shit son. Or was that an excuse because you can't? Hmmmmmmm..

wtf. naruto charged at the raikage. he didnt stand there. face the fact that alive raikage knows his own weakness and naruto isnt catching him with the tactic that he caught him with as a controlled mindless zombie.

what are you even talking about? kishi disagrees about naruto soloing mu. the author showed naruto having help so therefore it isnt a solo effort. problem?

again your not making any sense. i point to nagatos shinra tensei. narutos clones havent soloed any relevant characters without help from others. the only things they soloed were zetsus. a naruto clone even got manhandled by black zetsu. narutos clones arent as overpowered as you would like to think.

 

[genii96]

Actually if you look back at this page

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you would see the Rasenshuriken did knock him out the Rasenshuriken was also stated to not only damage the body but also the chakra circulatory system so it's like Neji's gentle fist it's impossible for the human body to overcome no matter how strong they are the only reason it didn't do that to the Raikage is because he dosen't have that due to being a edo tensei. Naruto never got punked out of km he ran out of chakra forming the TBB. They only distract him for secs besides there fodders what help are they?



Crippled Nagato didn't solo Naruto and Bee that was Prime Nagato Naruto only had a portion of his power in that fight.

1) the title of the chapter was rasenshurikens limit,naruto himself saw that it didnt even do anything,it just knocked him back and deactivated his raiton armour as fuuton>raiton.

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As long as naruto had help,he didnt solothe third raikage got distracted long enough for naruto to learn of his weakness,then dodai also distracted him with his rubber ball as well,take away all those distractions and you have a shadow clone that's cut in half.

2)crippled,controlled nagato trashed killer b and km naruto around easily. And naruto wasnt at a portion of his power,i dint know where you people get this from,chakra is divided by shadow clones,not power,and naruto took a majority of kurama's chakra,so he has no problem with creating those few clones he had,he creates a lot more while i base and that fight was over before chakra would be a problem

 

[Joki]

wtf. naruto charged at the raikage. he didnt stand there. face the fact that alive raikage knows his own weakness and naruto isnt catching him with the tactic that he caught him with as a controlled mindless zombie.

Raikage charged at him...Naruto used SM sensing to dodge his slash, raikage was helpless

what are you even talking about? kishi disagrees about naruto soloing mu. the author showed naruto having help so therefore it isnt a solo effort. problem?

Kishi showed Naruto having help...so that means Naruto had absolutely no other possible answers. Because that's not retarded. Nice ignoring EMS Madara again. He definitely didn't have any other answers than resorting to rinnegan to counter FRS I guess, damn how useless is EMS Madara. Kishi showed him being unable to do anything other than activate rinnegan so it's confirmed he needed rinnegan.

again your not making any sense. i point to nagatos shinra tensei. narutos clones havent soloed any relevant characters without help from others. the only things they soloed were zetsus. a naruto clone even got manhandled by black zetsu. narutos clones arent as overpowered as you would like to think.

You didn't point to shit, post the scan of Naruto being hit by a shinra tensei in that encounter, I want proof, can you give anything whatsoever that shows how that exact encounter would have been made different if Naruto was a clone? No, the exact same thing would have happened. Deal with it son.

 

[TheSages456]

Raikage charged at him...Naruto used SM sensing to dodge his slash, raikage was helpless
Kishi showed Naruto having help...so that means Naruto had absolutely no other possible answers. Because that's not retarded. Nice ignoring EMS Madara again. He definitely didn't have any other answers than resorting to rinnegan to counter FRS I guess, damn how useless is EMS Madara. Kishi showed him being unable to do anything other than activate rinnegan so it's confirmed he needed rinnegan.

You didn't point to shit, post the scan of Naruto being hit by a shinra tensei in that encounter, I want proof, can you give anything whatsoever that shows how that exact encounter would have been made different if Naruto was a clone? No, the exact same thing would have happened. Deal with it son.

this will be my last post on the matter. this has become boring.

what the hell? they charged at eachother. it was kabutos bright idea to go charging in. you have no idea how the 3rd raikage fights. dont assume its the same way he fought as an edo just to hype up naruto

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naruto needed help. end of story. unless madara shows that he could counter without rinnegan then he couldnt counter. madara was toying with them anyways and he has a walking twin susano that doesnt have an underground weakness. i guess you are also gonna say that naruto didnt need help here right:

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it doesnt matter. if the clones need help with every opponent they face then they didnt solo shit.

 

[Turson]

Why would Naruto charge at his arm anyway? That's also retarded battle tactic, Naruto stands there just like he did vs him before, dodges his strike just like he did before, and when raikage is compeltely vulnerable just like he was before, Naruto his his arm with rasengan just like he did before. That's game. Deal with it.

Thats true. Even if 3rd had his own mind it wouldnt change a thing, the outcome would be the same.

 

[Joki]

this will be my last post on the matter. this has become boring.

what the hell? they charged at eachother. it was kabutos bright idea to go charging in. you have no idea how the 3rd raikage fights. dont assume its the same way he fought as an edo just to hype up naruto

...3rd raikage would fight completely different that SM Naruto is useless to? That's baseless, we saw how he fought, he's a pure taijutsu fighter. He can't do shit that SM could react to, we already saw his speed, and we saw what happened. 3rd raikage doesn't use hellstab in living form? Oh? Please notify on what he does do in his living fighting style.

naruto needed help. end of story. unless madara shows that he could counter without rinnegan then he couldnt counter. madara was toying with them anyways and he has a walking twin susano that doesnt have an underground weakness. i guess you are also gonna say that naruto didnt need help here right:

I guess Hashirama's far weaker than we thought as well, it's funny how EMS Madara was so hyped yet he got solod by 1 move from an exhausted Onoki, Gaara and Naruto clone easy. That's too bad I thought EMS Madara had more in him.

And yeah, that outcome didn't do shit, if he was a clone there absolutely nothing would have changed. Also check back, I didn't say an RM Clone could solo Nagato...I said a clone fought on par with Nagato and Itachi, which DID happen. Absolutely nothing in that fight was different if Naruto was replaced with a clone lol, you proved me right by far with that post

it doesnt matter. if the clones need help with every opponent they face then they didnt solo shit.

Well they didn't....so they did

 

[Takos]

You clearly missed the point of what I meant by that. "EMS Madara" would have died to FRS there? He's using logic that "because he did X, he obviously can't do anything other than X". I'm sure EMS Madara has counters and wasn't required to resort to rinnegan to survive that. That's ridiculous.

Lol. It's a silly example because Rinnegan is 100% Madara's own power, it never even was anyone else's. I understand what you're trying to say but using the same logic you can say that Itachi would have died after Sasuke used Kirin if he hadn't had Susanoo. On the same logic we can say that Jirayia would have killed Itachi if he hadn't had Amaterasu to escape from toad's stomach. On the same logic we can say Kakashi would have killed Deva if he hadn't had Shinra Tensei.

All of this is true... but why does it matter? We have no idea whether EMS Madara would be defeated by a Rasenshuriken or not. What we know is that Madara used Rinnegan to repel Rasenshuriken, that's it.

Yes, it's true that Madara could have other counters and that Rinnegan was just the most convenient one. For example, he could create a wood wall to protect himself. But would the wood be fast enough? Maybe. Maybe not. You said you're "sure" he has other counters, but you being sure doesn't mean you're right.

 

[Naruto9001]

1) the title of the chapter was rasenshurikens limit,naruto himself saw that it didnt even do anything,it just knocked him back and deactivated his raiton armour as fuuton>raiton.

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As long as naruto had help,he didnt solothe third raikage got distracted long enough for naruto to learn of his weakness,then dodai also distracted him with his rubber ball as well,take away all those distractions and you have a shadow clone that's cut in half.

2)crippled,controlled nagato trashed killer b and km naruto around easily. And naruto wasnt at a portion of his power,i dint know where you people get this from,chakra is divided by shadow clones,not power,and naruto took a majority of kurama's chakra,so he has no problem with creating those few clones he had,he creates a lot more while i base and that fight was over before chakra would be a problem

1. If knocking back = not doing anything to you than ok. Yes he didn't solo the Raikage but he had help from fodders who aren't much help if you looked at it Naruto did all the work the only thing they did is block the Raikage's Hell Stab with there doton walls. The Raikage was also a edo so his body is much stronger Lving Raikage would have been injured from that attack.

2. Nagato had red hair. Red Hair Nagato = Prime Nagato. Yes he was chakra IS power. This was back when Kurama was taking Naruto's chakra. Killer Bee even said it's dangerous to even make one clone in his condition.

 

[Joki]

Lol. It's a silly example because Rinnegan is 100% Madara's own power, it never even was anyone else's. I understand what you're trying to say but using the same logic you can say that Itachi would have died after Sasuke used Kirin if he hadn't had Susanoo. On the same logic we can say that Jirayia would have killed Itachi if he hadn't had Amaterasu to escape from toad's stomach. On the same logic we can say Kakashi would have killed Deva if he hadn't had Shinra Tensei.

All of this is true... but why does it matter? We have no idea whether EMS Madara would be defeated by a Rasenshuriken or not. What we know is that Madara used Rinnegan to repel Rasenshuriken, that's it.

Yes, it's true that Madara could have other counters and that Rinnegan was just the most convenient one. For example, he could create a wood wall to protect himself. But would the wood be fast enough? Maybe. Maybe not. You said you're "sure" he has other counters, but you being sure doesn't mean you're right.

I'm aware it's his power...have I ever said it wasn't? You say you understand what I'm trying to say and then prove me 100% right when I'm pointing out how stupid that logic is. Except in Itachi's case, it's pretty obvious he would have been destroyed.

 

[genii96]

1. If knocking back = not doing anything to you than ok. Yes he didn't solo the Raikage but he had help from fodders who aren't much help if you looked at it Naruto did all the work the only thing they did is block the Raikage's Hell Stab with there doton walls. The Raikage was also a edo so his body is much stronger Lving Raikage would have been injured from that attack.

2. Nagato had red hair. Red Hair Nagato = Prime Nagato. Yes he was chakra IS power. This was back when Kurama was taking Naruto's chakra. Killer Bee even said it's dangerous to even make one clone in his condition.

1) raikage was caught in the center of the attack at point blank range,ofcourse it knocked him back,he got up unharmed,edo tensei didnt heal him at any point,naruto himself saw it had no effect,it didnt hurt him at all. Edo dosent make your body stronger,you are as you were when you died,madara was tuned past his prime and had hashi'ls cells boosting his vitality,he is an exception,look at nagato,he was basically skeletal when he was revived. Yes naruto did most of the work,but he got help and information from hachibi,gaara did most of the work against mizukage,but didnt solo him did he?.

2) he was already comfortably in control before he absorbed killerb's chakra,and naruto had taken a majority of kurama's chakra,creating 13 clones would be a negligible drop,chakra isnt power,or else by that statement,you think itachi is weak?then how was he able to make a rasengan stronger than sasuke's chidori when they fought on the rooftop after making all those clones?. He had kurana's chakra and power,so 13 clones isnt even going to make him flinch. Killer b said it was dangerous to use shadow clones because they contained his chakra when made and kurama could easily take it,draining him faster,hachibi however sated that kurama stopped taking naruto's chakra as well. He had kurama's power,a few clones wont do anything,so you are saying kakashi who used shdow clones before tobi,used kamui 4 times at a fraction of his power?

 

[Naruto9001]

1) raikage was caught in the center of the attack at point blank range,ofcourse it knocked him back,he got up unharmed,edo tensei didnt heal him at any point,naruto himself saw it had no effect,it didnt hurt him at all. Edo dosent make your body stronger,you are as you were when you died,madara was tuned past his prime and had hashi'ls cells boosting his vitality,he is an exception,look at nagato,he was basically skeletal when he was revived. Yes naruto did most of the work,but he got help and information from hachibi,gaara did most of the work against mizukage,but didnt solo him did he?.

2) he was already comfortably in control before he absorbed killerb's chakra,and naruto had taken a majority of kurama's chakra,creating 13 clones would be a negligible drop,chakra isnt power,or else by that statement,you think itachi is weak?then how was he able to make a rasengan stronger than sasuke's chidori when they fought on the rooftop after making all those clones?. He had kurana's chakra and power,so 13 clones isnt even going to make him flinch. Killer b said it was dangerous to use shadow clones because they contained his chakra when made and kurama could easily take it,draining him faster,hachibi however sated that kurama stopped taking naruto's chakra as well. He had kurama's power,a few clones wont do anything,so you are saying kakashi who used shdow clones before tobi,used kamui 4 times at a fraction of his power?

1. Well even if he didn't reciieve any damage it's not like he has a chakra network that's what the rasenshuriken hits. Yes it does it instantly regenerates any injures. But Madara only was able to tank Onoki's jinton due to edo immortality. Just like Itachi would have been killed several times in that fight if he wasn't an edo. I already said he didn't solo him but Naruto did almost all of the work in that fight and Naruto would have solo'd him if he wasn't an edo so the Raikage also had an advantage.

2. Not really Naruto was able to dodged his first bansho tenin while distracted from talking to Itachi. Chakra is power because without it you cant use any jutsus. Itachi isnt weak because most of his jutsus with the exception of Amaterasu and Susanno dosen't require alot of chakra. Uh what? Naruto has nearly unlimited chakra doing a shadow clone jutsu and rasengan is nothing to him.For each clone the user's chakra is divided to be able to make 13 clones in km would take up almost all of your chakra that's why most shinobis cant use it. He didn't get Kurama's chakra until they fought Madara that's when the Kyubi started to like Naruto. The problem with that is Kakashi's clones didn't use any jutsus so it wasn't as bad but Naruto's clones used s rank techniques like Rasenshuriken.