MickNerks: Top Ten List

[Dantee]

I'm still rofling at Gaaara being top 5. Sasuke should be more up the list easy.

 

[Simple Math]

i disagree with with a few parts but + rep bcuz you put effort into this

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Fail list
kabuto is no where U_U

 

[MystNin13]

When did that happened? Fighting against someone doesn't equal to be on the level or beating him. Anko fought Orochimaru in part1, but we all know that she isn't not on his level. And what did he did on EMS Madara? During all the fight between Kages and Madara, not even sure if i saw Gaara. I think you overrate him. Here is my list of people(base on feats) who beats Gaara:

Madara
Obito
Hashirama
Naruto
Nagato
Minato
Tobirama
Muu
2nd Mizukage
Onoki
3rd Raikage
Kabuto
Bee
Sasuke
Danzo
Jiraya
Itachi
Kakashi
Orochimaru
Gai
Kakuzu
4th Raikage
Kin/Gin brothers
Deidara
Tsunade
Sasori
Kisame

Who do you think Gaara can beat between them? And that's when i don't count hype for people like Hiruzen,Hanzo, etc

I think your underestimating him a bit much. Granted almost all of those fights are high diff for him i bet he could defeat most of them but defineately not all of them.
Id say the only ones he truely couldnt beat are...
- Madara
- Obito
- Hashirama
- Naruto
- Nagato
- Minato
- Bee
- Itachi
- Orochimaru
- Third Raikage
- Kimmimaru (heres an extra one for you)

But i feel like he has a chance against the others, dont forget as soon as his sand catches ahold of someone he can Sand Coffin them and crush parts of their body in an instant and his ultimate defense can take alot of punishment as weve seen

 

[Bogard]

I think your underestimating him a bit much. Granted almost all of those fights are high diff for him i bet he could defeat most of them but defineately not all of them.
Id say the only ones he truely couldnt beat are...
- Madara
- Obito
- Hashirama
- Naruto
- Nagato
- Minato
- Bee
- Itachi
- Orochimaru
- Third Raikage
- Kimmimaru (heres an extra one for you)

But i feel like he has a chance against the others, dont forget as soon as his sand catches ahold of someone he can Sand Coffin them and crush parts of their body in an instant and his ultimate defense can take alot of punishment as weve seen

Ok maybe i exagerrated. Gaara obviously has chances against some of them, but i still see them winning at the end(even if it's high difficulty, they will win). Why do you put Kimimaro btw?

 

[Kinimaster]

I actually thought your list was going to be really bad, aside from Gaara and the low Shodai rank, i kinda agree with it mostly.

 

[MickNerks]

H!iruzen is stronger than Minato?
Hiruzen is stronger than SASUKE?
Hiruzen is stronger than ITACHI?!

I respect your opinion, but i dont agree.

Thanks. Honestly, seeing how we never have seen hiruzen vs and uchiha i dont know what he could do against them. All i know is that he knows about susanoo and most likely knows its weakness. You are right to have speculation. I myself have speculation, but based off his ability to subdue orochimaru and 2 kage level opponents i would rank him in the position he is in now.

When did that happened? Fighting against someone doesn't equal to be on the level or beating him. Anko fought Orochimaru in part1, but we all know that she isn't not on his level. And what did he did on EMS Madara? During all the fight between Kages and Madara, not even sure if i saw Gaara. I think you overrate him. Here is my list of people(base on feats) who beats Gaara:

Hashirama - I stated these reasons in gaara section
Minato - I doubt he could get close enough to gaara, and the fact the gaara can fly puts minato at a disadvantage.
2nd Mizukage - Gaara already defeated him
Onoki - His old body and lower chakra reserves would prove to be his downfall
Sasuke - gaaara has shown abilities to counter sasukes EMS techs. Lighting would be a problem only if he can connect with gaara.
Danzo - danzo has nothing to defeat gaara with. Gaara would easily make him use all of his inzagami up.
Jiraya - I just dont see him defeating current gaara, with the scale of tech's we've seen gaara use thus far
Itachi - same reason as sasuke. Gaara has shown that he is able to counter MS techs
Kakashi - NOO.
Orochimaru
Gai
Deidara - was able to defend against C3, IMO only lost because he had to defend village at the same time.
Tsunade -NO
Sasori - No


Who do you think Gaara can beat between them?

The people you left of the list are the people who i think gaara can still defeat. We each have our own opinion on the limits of gaara, so i dont wanna get into a massive argument. But i will place reasons of some of them why gaara would win.

Ill agree that your list is not bad but there are a few legitimate flaws that people are pointing out. And i am respecting the rule where hype cannot be a factor and that its based on abilities seen so far in the series...
1. I agree with your Top 4
2. Sorry but Garra has to go, he is easily top 15 but not quite top 10
3. Kabuto should be 5 or argueably 4
4. I personally would switch Minato and Hiruzen but they are a close comparison
5. After what weve seen in the war id put Onoki at #10 ( but by the end Sasuke will probably become top 5)

Just my opinions but +rep for the time and effort not bad sir

thanks. I understand your positions. It'd be hard to change the post i've created but i have taken your opinions and everyone elses opinions into consideration

 

[Naruto9001]

Where's Kabuto at? I like Gaara but his not in the top 5.

 

[MickNerks]

Idk if anyone is actually reading the point i made for gaara, but if you havent then try. Here it is

5. Gaara

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I know alot of people will dissagree with me putting gaara ahead of hashirama, and some may say that doesnt even belong in top 10, But i strongly disagree. First His techniques: Gaara is by far the best stationary fighter in the manga, and overall has the best defense (automatic) and a very versatile offense.

- Defense

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• Auto Defense -
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• Created Defense - Gaara has created his own defensive capabilities that are very effective in combat. One being his Sand Dome which completely protects his with 360 degree defense. Using the hardest minerals to form the sand.
  
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  Another is his sand armour which he constanly and often utilizes. This tech is a back-up for gaara in case someone gets pass his auto-defense. It is nowhere as resilient as the Shield of Sand, since it easily breaks away upon impact, indicating that the sole purpose of the armour is to absorb impact channelled unto Gaara's body during battle
  
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  Lastly he has his wall of sand which gives him a powerful defensive shield which encampuses a larger area. It is incredibly strong, being able to withstand a C3 explosion from deidara.
  
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- Offense

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Gaara's offense is extremely versatile, often comprising of catching enemy with sand and destroying them with it. Gaara is known to summon large amounts of sand onto the field using his Sand Avalanche

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Or He will uses Sand Shower to also cover the field in sand to catch the opponent off gaurd.

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Gaara also has other sand techs that are devastating if they connect:

• Prison Sand Burial
• Sand Binding Coffin
• Sand Binding Prison
• Sand Waterfall Funeral
• Sand Imperial Funeral
• Sand Bullet

And many other tech's.

Now for My reasoning as placing Gaara 5th on my list and above Hashirama.

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Gaara has shown us that he can make sand to flood the field on the same or even a greater level than Hashirama can make Mokuton. Which means when it comes to their ability to minapulate and change the landscape, their power is pretty much equal. Gaara has many advantages over Hashirama though.

1. Gaara can fly (which puts hash at a disadvantage because gaara can use his sand to go after hashirama while he is safely secure in the air above hashirama's trees.)

2. Gaara's sand is more fluid than hashirama's trees, which means that it can easily slide through his trees to get to hashirama more easily then hashirama's tree could get to an aerial gaara.

3. Though hashirama has superior healing abilities, if he steps on any of gaara's sand he falls victim to quicksand waterfall flow and is instantly dragged 100 meters under the groung and compressed to the point where he cant form hand seals nor move period, which means he will forever be stuck or sealed. Just as Gaara did to Kages. Distract him with an aerial attack than grap him from underneath.

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4. Gaara's defense is superior to Hashirama's wood style. Gaara's sand withstood C3 explosion from Deidara, and the steel-like bone attacks from kimmikaru. Hashirama's wood stlye is strong but it is not a piercing force. And if we use A>B>C logic its clear to see. And yes A>B>C logic can be used with tech strength. C3 explosion > Mokuton, Gaara's Defense > C3 explosions, so Gaara's Defense > Mokuton.

Gaara has been a extreme force in this war as well. He had enough chakra to fight 4 kages and seal 3 of them and still had some chakra to fight edo madara. And if Edo Madara wouldnt have had Rinnegan, then Gaara would have sealed him as well. He easily held down madara's susanoo and yanked him out of it, which allows me to believe that Neither itachi nor sasuke should be abouve him because he can do this

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ALSO, Neither Itachi nor Sasuke has a counter for this

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[Bogard]

The people you left of the list are the people who i think gaara can still defeat. We each have our own opinion on the limits of gaara, so i dont wanna get into a massive argument. But i will place reasons of some of them why gaara would win.

Then i will reply for some also

Hashirama - Mokuton>Sand, and Hashirama can even manipulate the trees to capture and finish Gaara. With the pollen, Gaara will fall asleep and die. If he flies, he loses his only advantage(taking control of the battlefield) cuz he he needs to be on the ground to be able to manipulate the environment perfectly. If he begins to fly, he would have to use the quantity of sand which is in his gourd, which is not that high

Minato - Like i've said, Gaara prefer fighting on the ground and i gave the reason why above. Minato can speedblitz him. We are talking about the fastest ninja in the manga against a defense that even part1 Lee managed to surpass in speed. And besides from that, Minato has also his summons(Gamabunta for example) to extend his range, and who can use huge water style which is Gaaras weakness

2nd Mizukage - After how much quantity of help? Mizukage told him about his weaknesses during the fight almost everytime. Onoki was there to talk about the weakness of the Joki boy, and he is the one who destroyed Mizukages summon. A sensor was there to show Mizukages location. And do you really think Mizukage was serious in this fight?

Onoki - Jinton can destroy an island. It's not Gaaras sand which could protect against that. Besides from that, Madara clearly portrayed Onoki as the strongest kage, along with his great experience, his defense golem jutsus, or others

Sasuke - No need for Susanoo. Raiton is Gaaras weakness like we've seen in part1, except that Sasuke is even stronger than back then with many variants. Furthermore i doubt that Gaaras defense could even keep up against arrows

Danzo - Baku can suck up all his sand, and then Gaara is defenseless with his wind element amplified. Izanagi can also help him to find his way through, when he is destroyed once, the other Danzo quickly appears around the area, so the sand could not keep up

Jiraya - Yomi Numa makes Gaaras sand turn to mud, we have also seen that oil is his weakness. If we add his other combos jutsus, his huge summons or SM with Fukasaku and Shima combos, Gaara has pratically no chance

Itachi - Itachi is a quick bunshin user, but also a very smart genjutsu user. I'm sure he could find his way through either with a bunshin or genjutsu or finish him with a good targeted Amaterasu or totsuka

Kakashi - Like for Sasuke, raiton is Gaaras weakness except that Kakashis raiton manipulation is on a higher level than Sasukes, plus his doton jutsu to catch Gaara from underground, or his suiton jutsus to weaken Gaaras sand, Kakashi is simply his worse opponent especially when we know that he is a static fighter. If he wants to escape by flying, he get targeted with Kamui

Orochimaru
Gai
Deidara - Deidara defeated him in his own village with the huge advantage he had(sand everywhere) without even trying to kill him
Tsunade - She has heavy punches, and can't get killed with Byakuyou. Gaara has nothing that could kill him. I'm sure she can find her way through his defense with her punches and finish Gaara

Sasori - Just one wound and it's over for Gaara, and when we know that Gaara is a static fighter, good luck when we see Sasoris multiple arsenal

 

[MickNerks]

Then i will reply for some also

Hashirama - Mokuton>Sand, and Hashirama can even manipulate the trees to capture and finish Gaara. With the pollen, Gaara will fall asleep and die. If he flies, he loses his only advantage(taking control of the battlefield) cuz he he needs to be on the ground to be able to manipulate the environment perfectly. If he begins to fly, he would have to use the quantity of sand which is in his gourd, which is not that high

Minato - Like i've said, Gaara prefer fighting on the ground and i gave the reason why above. Minato can speedblitz him. We are talking about the fastest ninja in the manga against a defense that even part1 Lee managed to surpass in speed. And besides from that, Minato has also his summons(Gamabunta for example) to extend his range, and who can use huge water style which is Gaaras weakness

2nd Mizukage - After how much quantity of help? Mizukage told him about his weaknesses during the fight almost everytime. Onoki was there to talk about the weakness of the Joki boy, and he is the one who destroyed Mizukages summon. A sensor was there to show Mizukages location. And do you really think Mizukage was serious in this fight?

Onoki - Jinton can destroy an island. It's not Gaaras sand which could protect against that. Besides from that, Madara clearly portrayed Onoki as the strongest kage, along with his great experience, his defense golem jutsus, or others

Sasuke - No need for Susanoo. Raiton is Gaaras weakness like we've seen in part1, except that Sasuke is even stronger than back then with many variants. Furthermore i doubt that Gaaras defense could even keep up against arrows

Danzo - Baku can suck up all his sand, and then Gaara is defenseless with his wind element amplified. Izanagi can also help him to find his way through, when he is destroyed once, the other Danzo quickly appears around the area, so the sand could not keep up

Jiraya - Yomi Numa makes Gaaras sand turn to mud, we have also seen that oil is his weakness. If we add his other combos jutsus, his huge summons or SM with Fukasaku and Shima combos, Gaara has pratically no chance

Itachi - Itachi is a quick bunshin user, but also a very smart genjutsu user. I'm sure he could find his way through either with a bunshin or genjutsu or finish him with a good targeted Amaterasu or totsuka

Kakashi - Like for Sasuke, raiton is Gaaras weakness except that Kakashis raiton manipulation is on a higher level than Sasukes, plus his doton jutsu to catch Gaara from underground, or his suiton jutsus to weaken Gaaras sand, Kakashi is simply his worse opponent especially when we know that he is a static fighter. If he wants to escape by flying, he get targeted with Kamui

Orochimaru
Gai
Deidara - Deidara defeated him in his own village with the huge advantage he had(sand everywhere) without even trying to kill him
Tsunade - She has heavy punches, and can't get killed with Byakuyou. Gaara has nothing that could kill him. I'm sure she can find her way through his defense with her punches and finish Gaara

Sasori - Just one wound and it's over for Gaara, and when we know that Gaara is a static fighter, good luck when we see Sasoris multiple arsenal

Your theory on gaara needing to fight on the ground has been disproven.

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Gaara can fight in the air and still be as effective with his sand as he would be if he were on the ground. Which he was in the air he was able to summon a sand avalahce and sand hail. and also cause sand to rise from the ground to grab his opponents legs.

And if you look closely at this picture you can see gaara sand easily run thru the trees. He can manuzer his sand through tree to get to hashirama.

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I also believ form a aerial attack he could also defeat minato, if he buries all of minto's kunia under the sand then minato has no were to go. and if minato touches the ground then hes done. His only option would be to retreat.

 

[TheSages456]

1. hashirama
2. madara
3. tobi
4. naruto/nagato
5. naruto/nagato
6. ems sasuke
7. minato
8. mu
9. itachi
10. 3rd raikage

 

[MickNerks]

1. hashirama
2. madara
3. tobi
4. naruto/nagato
5. naruto/nagato
6. ems sasuke
7. minato
8. mu
9. itachi
10. 3rd raikage

Intresting. Why do you place hashiram over Madara?

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Intresting. Why do you place hashiram over Madara?

Hashirama defeated Madara...

 

[TheSages456]

Intresting. Why do you place hashiram over Madara?

even with edo, madaras full power remains as perfect susano. hashirama>the full power of edo madara(perfect susano). using logic if hashirama can beat the full power of madara, then he can beat other techs that are on a much lower scale like mokuton(which isnt killing him) and meteors(hashirama beat perfect susano which turned the meteor to dust).

 

[MickNerks]

Hashirama defeated Madara...

hashirama defeated EMS madara.
The madara on my list is the unlimited chakra, rinnegan, meteor spamming madara.

 

[MickNerks]

even with edo, madaras full power remains as perfect susano. hashirama>the full power of edo madara(perfect susano). using logic if hashirama can beat the full power of madara, then he can beat other techs that are on a much lower scale like mokuton(which isnt killing him) and meteors(hashirama beat perfect susano which turned the meteor to dust).

His full power is his rinnegan abilities. Not his EMS abilities. Hashirama maybe greater than perfect susanoo, but he has nothing to defend 3 meteors landing right on top of him. Also madara only sliced thru meteor. He didnt destroy it.

 

[TheSages456]

His full power is his rinnegan abilities. Not his EMS abilities. Hashirama maybe greater than perfect susanoo, but he has nothing to defend 3 meteors landing right on top of him. Also madara only sliced thru meteor. He didnt destroy it.

edo madara disagrees. perfect susano is his full power. perfect susanos sword slash can blast through many meteors at once, going under the fanfiction assumption that madara can bring down 3 meteors at once which is nonsense as he can only bring down one at once. here madara states that his full power is perfect susano:

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here madara obliterates the meteor and multiple mountains which are a little bigger than madaras meteors:

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face it, no amount of meteors stand a chance against PS, again going by the fanfiction assumption that madara can bring down many at once when the manga clearly shows that he can only bring down one at once. it isnt a coincidence that kishi made edo madaras full power come from his ems that hashirama already beat.

 

[kevenc]

I saw sasuke

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Pretty much


The list is good, just that you put Gaara on top of Hashirama really ?

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

1. hashirama
2. madara

how does hashirama and EMS madara beat kabuto, nagato, bm naruto (w/ toad summons), mu, obito?