Hashirama's hype & reputation is destroyed

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After the last chapter it is completely clear that Madara Survived the battle between him and Hashirama at the valley of the end. Yes Madara lost, but his goal was not necessarily to win the battle but it was to gather Hashi's DNA, and be able to disappear quietly and work on his plans. Madara even made it clear that he did not even use perfect sasuno against Hashi ( ) "Anyone who has seen seen it has died." Manga Proof.

What else has Hashirama done? He died against fodder in a war that wasn't even one of the great ones. Old, tired Hiruzen defeated and sealed him, when he had an indestructible edo body, and unlimited chakra. The only notable feat of killing Madara has turned out to be a lie the whole time.

Also Hashi fans please stop trying to say that Hashirama could beat edo-Madara. It is laughable.
 
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Oh right I forgot, it's impossible to take the DNA from a dead person
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This is the actual translation of that page:

Mei:"How's this possible?!"

Madara:"Don't you get it? Your ridiculously juvenile jutsu can't hold me."

Mei SFX: RRRK RRRK

Madara:"Now... The perfect Susano'o... Everyone who sees it dies... Or so they say.

I'm almost embarassed to have to do this again... I already used it once, but..."
It's interesting that Madara added 'or so they say'. It's obvious that Hashirama was the only one who fought it and survived.

Manga page of Hashirama losing to a 'fodder'? IIRC it was never specified who killed him.

Orochimaru was completely controlling him. Unless you actually believe 69 year old Hiruzen > Edo Tobirama & Edo Hashirama?

Edo Madara > Hashirama. EMS Madara < Hashirama, however, is canon. Infact, everytime Madara uses a jutsu which is not related to Edo, Rinnegan or Senju cells (e.g. Uchiha Gaeshi), Hashirama is being inadvertantly hyped even more.
 

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''Anyone who was seen Perfect Susano'o dies'', well Hashirama is dead isn't he? xd And "He died against fodder in the war that wasn't even the greatest" How do you know? Hashirama could've sacrificed himself or something. And "Old, tired Hiruzen defeated and sealed him, when he had an indestructible edo body, and unlimited chakra." Explain how he didn't use the Flower Tree World against Hiruzen or any other Mokuton Technique than the Three World? Hashirama and Tobirama were just standing there doing nothing while Oro was talking.. You really think that's all they can do?
 

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Oh right I forgot, it's impossible to take the DNA from a dead person
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It's interesting that Madara added 'or so they say'. It's obvious that Hashirama was the only one who fought it and survived.

Manga page of Hashirama losing to a 'fodder'? IIRC it was never specified who killed him.

Orochimaru was completely controlling him. Unless you actually believe 69 year old Hiruzen > Edo Tobirama & Edo Hashirama?

Edo Madara > Hashirama. EMS Madara < Hashirama, however, is canon. Infact, everytime Madara uses a jutsu which is not related to Edo, Rinnegan or Senju cells (e.g. Uchiha Gaeshi), Hashirama is being inadvertantly hyped even more.
Why would Madara be unsure and use the term so they say if he knew himself that Hashirama survived the the technique. In regards to whoever killed him in battle they were not even notable or even kage level to not have a name.

And yes I believe that Hiruzen is better then edo Hashirama & edo Tobirama. Hiruzen beat them in the manga. We can stop playing what-ifs & how-abouts
 

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Why would Madara be unsure and use the term so they say if he knew himself that Hashirama survived the the technique. In regards to whoever killed him in battle they were not even notable or even kage level to not have a name.

And yes I believe that Hiruzen is better then edo Hashirama & edo Tobirama. Hiruzen beat them in the manga. We can stop playing what-ifs & how-abouts
What do you mean 'why would he be unsure?'. He wouldn't have said that if he had not doubted what had been said about Perfect Susanoo (that all who see it die) - it logically follows that something has led him to doubt the legend (and that something is very likely to be Hashirama). Why would he be wanking Shodai to such a degree (now) if he didn't even use his full power against him then?

Please post the page which outlines Hashirama's killer.

Right so 69 year old Hiruzen > Edo Hashirama (same guy who fought EMS Madara + Kyuubi) & Edo Tobirama at the same time? Let me ask you: does Orochimaru fully controlling them mean nothing to you or is that your final answer?
 

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Using very abstract evidence in Madara's case is dumb when so much more speaks otherwise. Madara came back with Kurama because even at his full power he could not even compare to Hashirama. How can he "hold back" on Perfect Susanoo when he needed the Fox's help? Even then he still lost, and Hashirama's semen was just his fangirl consolation prize.

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I am sorry but Kabuto made it very clear, and don't come up with BS that Kabuto was not aware. Kishimoto uses his characters to convey a message and Kabuto, knowing about both of them, he can come to an unbiased opinion. What Madara (A sore loser) says about himself cannot be taken as fact when there are several things poiting to Hashirama's superiority. Remember, the Uchiha are the ones mooching off on Senju DNA, not the Senju riding on the Sharingan.
 

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What do you mean 'why would he be unsure?'. He wouldn't have said that if he had not doubted what had been said about Perfect Susanoo (that all who see it die) - it logically follows that something has led him to doubt the legend (and that something is very likely to be Hashirama). Why would he be wanking Shodai to such a degree (now) if he didn't even use his full power against him then?

Please post the page which outlines Hashirama's killer.

Right so 69 year old Hiruzen > Edo Hashirama (same guy who fought EMS Madara + Kyuubi) & Edo Tobirama at the same time? Let me ask you: does Orochimaru fully controlling them mean nothing to you or is that your final answer?
I cant post the page which outlines hashirama's killer because he was not important enough to be named in the manga.

You could say the same thing about Tobi wanking Itachi after his death when he could kill him easily. I don't know why.

As for Hiruzen I believe that he could beat Hashirama 1 on 1. Adding Tobirama might be too much.
 

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After the last chapter it is completely clear that Madara Survived the battle between him and Hashirama at the valley of the end. Yes Madara lost, but his goal was not necessarily to win the battle but it was to gather Hashi's DNA, and be able to disappear quietly and work on his plans. Madara even made it clear that he did not even use perfect sasuno against Hashi ( ) "Anyone who has seen seen it has died." Manga Proof.

What else has Hashirama done? He died against fodder in a war that wasn't even one of the great ones. Old, tired Hiruzen defeated and sealed him, when he had an indestructible edo body, and unlimited chakra. The only notable feat of killing Madara has turned out to be a lie the whole time.

Also Hashi fans please stop trying to say that Hashirama could beat edo-Madara. It is laughable.
Imagine how strong Hashirama must have been if Madara needed the kyubi just to get a bit of his DNA.
 

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I wouldn't say that he died from a fodder right off the bat, we simply have no proof of such statements. Neither would I look down on him just because, since he had fought the renowned ' Madara Uchiha ' countless times and succeeded on going toe-to-toe with him and survived all those encounters.
 

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At least the greatest feat done by someone alone, rather than someone who is brought back by someone else's Jutsu, while he uses someone else's Wood Release while fangirling about that same person. I don't see how people see that as natural strength.

We just don't know what happened to Hashirama. Is Madara's reputation ruined because he ended up as an old creep hiding and taking injured children to his lair to stitch their bodies? Someone who can destroy mountains ended up a nanny.
 

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yes i agree. what this means is people talking about how great he is may have been exagerrating as they are under the impression he killed madara. kabuto suspected he didnt however but wasnt sure.

Actually, Oro was playing around with Hiruzen when he resurrected Hashi and Tobirama. If they were at full power, Third would have been lunch meat. So don't underestimate him based off of that.
he wanted hiruzen dead so it wasnt like they used 5% power

It's interesting that Madara added 'or so they say'. It's obvious that Hashirama was the only one who fought it and survived.
actually he says that because 5 people had just seen it and survived. the KAGES

You really think that's all they can do?
waht hiruzen did in that fight isnt all he can do either but its all we've seen

if Madara needed the kyubi just to get a bit of his DNA.
he needed kyuubi to take on the entire village as he was an "avenger"

Also Shodie took on EMS+PSS+Kurama all at once and came on top! That is perhaps the Greatest Feat by a ninja
its not a feat at all. for all we know it didnt happen like that, and madara was already weakened/handicapped. or maybe hashirama used luck and had prep time. or maybe mito was more helpful than we origianlly thought. it was hashi + mito vs madara essentially as he didnt control kurama for very long. it ended up roaming free during the fight. and since we know he didnt use PS or rinnegan or mokuton then it is looking less and less impressive. we havent seen much from just EMS madara so how am i supposed to be impressed he won? when he was pathetic vs hiruzen?

I am sorry but Kabuto made it very clear, and don't come up with BS that Kabuto was not aware. Kishimoto uses his characters to convey a message and Kabuto, knowing about both of them, he can come to an unbiased opinion
kabutos under the impression shodai killed madara and basically ripped him apart without being too hurt. but i bet shodai eventually died from the wounds he took.

The author of the manga thru his characters said hashi is the strongest
oh so everything characters say is actually kishi talking? i guess kabutos invincible, deidara killed sasuke, sasuke beat zabuza, pain is unbeatable, and hiruzen is god of shinobi/strongest hokage in history
Why would he be wanking Shodai to such a degree (now) if he didn't even use his full power against him then?
who cares? until we see feats, shodais unimpressive
 
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