Why Zetsu is essential to Tobi's abilities...!!

[NarutoDKurosaki]

I didn't even remember he said that. It's been bugging me for awhile. I have something that may or may not support the claim, as well. When KM Naruto/Obito smacked heads to open their fight, Obito sent him flying. I don't believe that the mask itself could deal that kind of punishment to Naruto. I believe he changed the material of the mask itself. I'm interested.

Hmmmm, good idea but i doubt that the mask had any sort of importance to that degree. I wonder is Obito is reluctant to use the standard MS abilities like Susanoo or Amaterasu, maybe because they blind you faster (Ex: sasuke) But i'm positive he knows how to use Tsukuyomi from past ganjutus he has used. What do you think about that. I just hope that Obito has other major skills other thank S/T jutsu. Most other Big Bads of their series' are god like or ultra bad ass. Unless madara ends up becoming more important in the plot than we could have hoped for, I was actually kind of disappointed with Obitos character as an antagonist, I felt him more as an arrogant coward using others. What do you think about him as an antagonist?

 

[Vexorian]

I didn't really care for Tobi, or Obito all that much. Like you said, Arrogant and cowardly....Only getting by with the power of others. I doubt Obito has Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. Madara never showed anything of the sort, nor do I believe he has them. It's my current belief that you get Susano'o and two other jutsu when you unlock the MS, and another when you unlock the EMS. I believe that Madara gained Susano'o, and the ability to control/summon Kurama, as well as Perfect Susano'o when he unlocked the MS. It's been heavily hinted that Madara has some godlike Genjutsu, but he has yet to use it. That'd be his fourth power. Sasuke will get a genjutsu, but it will not be Tsukiyomi, but rather something different, yet along the same lines of controlling space and time. My guess? May not be a genjutsu at all.....rather a space/time ninjutsu.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

I didn't really care for Tobi, or Obito all that much. Like you said, Arrogant and cowardly....Only getting by with the power of others. I doubt Obito has Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. Madara never showed anything of the sort, nor do I believe he has them. It's my current belief that you get Susano'o and two other jutsu when you unlock the MS, and another when you unlock the EMS. I believe that Madara gained Susano'o, and the ability to control/summon Kurama, as well as Perfect Susano'o when he unlocked the MS. It's been heavily hinted that Madara has some godlike Genjutsu, but he has yet to use it. That'd be his fourth power. Sasuke will get a genjutsu, but it will not be Tsukiyomi, but rather something different, yet along the same lines of controlling space and time. My guess? May not be a genjutsu at all.....rather a space/time ninjutsu.

Hmmmm, i actually am loving this idea. I just wish that Tobi was more powerful as the big bad of the series. An example of some great antagonists, Aizen from Bleach, and Orochimaru. But i do agree with you on the EMS point, i think the EMS needs a power up since you took a relatives eyes. Heres my idea on the EMS ability thing. I have a theory, that every individual MS has its own unique ability. EX:
1. Sasuke- Blaze Release.
2. Shishui-KA
3. Obito- Kamui
Etc...
So what i think the EMS' power up is that you gain the eyes of the previous owners also. So lets say tobi got a hold of shishui's eyes, he would have KA, and Kamui. I would really like to See Tobi and Madara use the other abilities of the rinnegan, and I really wish that Tobi is able to use other MS abilities. What do you think?

 

[Vexorian]

Itachi is the obvious exception, as he gained two abilities. He just didn't gain absolute control over Amaterasu. Shisui gained two uses of KA, and Obito gained both forms of Kamui, both long range and short-range. To be honest, if Itachi hadn't given him Amaterasu, I believe that he would have gained both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, and not the manipulation of his flames. I'm still in the dark as what Madara actually gained. It would make sense for him to have Amaterasu, and a Tsukuyomi-like Genjutsu on top of his ability to control Kurama, then unlocked PS when he gained his brother's eyes. Not sure how it'll unfold, I'm waiting patiently.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Itachi is the obvious exception, as he gained two abilities. He just didn't gain absolute control over Amaterasu. Shisui gained two uses of KA, and Obito gained both forms of Kamui, both long range and short-range. To be honest, if Itachi hadn't given him Amaterasu, I believe that he would have gained both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, and not the manipulation of his flames. I'm still in the dark as what Madara actually gained. It would make sense for him to have Amaterasu, and a Tsukuyomi-like Genjutsu on top of his ability to control Kurama, then unlocked PS when he gained his brother's eyes. Not sure how it'll unfold, I'm waiting patiently.

Same. I'm excited to see what else obito is capable of!

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Itachi is the obvious exception, as he gained two abilities. He just didn't gain absolute control over Amaterasu. Shisui gained two uses of KA, and Obito gained both forms of Kamui, both long range and short-range. To be honest, if Itachi hadn't given him Amaterasu, I believe that he would have gained both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, and not the manipulation of his flames. I'm still in the dark as what Madara actually gained. It would make sense for him to have Amaterasu, and a Tsukuyomi-like Genjutsu on top of his ability to control Kurama, then unlocked PS when he gained his brother's eyes. Not sure how it'll unfold, I'm waiting patiently.

Do you think you need the EMS to use PS? or do you think extensive training is just needed?

 

[Vexorian]

It's actually hard to tell. I believe the EMS unlocked PS, on top of extensive training. I'm fairly sure people are hyping it up to be more than it actually is, as well. It's cool, sure. Good? Hell yes. Godlike? No. Itachi's is easily on the same level, as he has Yata Mirror and Totsuka. Regardless of its sheer destructive power, it's not as amazing as people think. I believe it's more or less used for battling Bijuu, and Hashirama for that matter.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

It's actually hard to tell. I believe the EMS unlocked PS, on top of extensive training. I'm fairly sure people are hyping it up to be more than it actually is, as well. It's cool, sure. Good? Hell yes. Godlike? No. Itachi's is easily on the same level, as he has Yata Mirror and Totsuka. Regardless of its sheer destructive power, it's not as amazing as people think. I believe it's more or less used for battling Bijuu, and Hashirama for that matter.

Same.exact.thoughts. Itachi has the best suasnoo IMO, can reflect and ninjutsu, and can seal anything it pierces, on top of having the extremely high defense susanoo offers. I've always wondered how he found the weapons.