Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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Re: Madara(Tobi)/Obito(Tobi) connection

kisame might have met madara before tobi
tobi said kisame was closest to "him"
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Yh but obviously tobi was talking on behalf of him self in this scene as he showed Kisame his face which is obito's.

And seriously are people forgetting in both scenes tobi has the same voice. Madara's voice will be revealed in the anime and it will be different from tobi's
 

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Btw, the "Arm clench",

Obito was telling the story of how Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.. only for the clan to turn their back on Madara. His eyes were given for no reason.

The same as Obito giving his eye to Kakashi to protect Rin, and he couldn't even do that.

Obito knows that feel of giving your sight for nothing.

And also, the "Him", in the above Kisame/Obito picture.. Him being Itachi. That scene occurred right after Itachi was killed.
 
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OK since my thread seems to have been taken down. Ill write some of it here.

Dunno if it was moved cant find it.

The only explanation i can see how Madara would know of Obito is if Madara started the second shinobi war, and Nagatos Rinnegan is not Madaras Rinnegan, I think that you have to do something to gain Rinnegan just like with ms/ems. I think that if you kill your family or something you get it, Nagatos family was killed and he was completely alone.

Madara could have lived longer using Hash. cells. He likely lived longer then the second war, but was away so he didnt see Nagato grow up, (or grow up ment more then an adult) but planned on using him as a tool to revive him since he had the Rinnegan. He then could have actually been Itachis mentor.

Why would Obito tell all that stuff about Madara to Itachi anyway?

So then he could have helped in the massacre of the Uchiha clan.
And so by that he gained the Rinnegan.

If you need to kill all your kinsmen or something to gain it, then that would mean the only reason Itachi didnt get it was cus he had Sasuke, so in fact Sasuke wasnt his spare Sasuke was the reason he did not gain better eyes :S.

Lolz its like Madara left 2 remaining Uchiha like the Sage, one was evil and one was good.
or maybe not.
 

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oh yeah and "obito" can use his MS all day long without going blind or any sign of effort like comming blood out of it?! There's somethin shady about it don't you smell it?
 

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There's still a small chance he's not Obito. Even if he is Obito, I won't mind it too much as long as we get a decent explanation. I suppose he's at least better than Fugaku, Kagami or random fodder Uchiha #124989018414.
 
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He's Obito. There's no other possible explaination for all that has been revealed so far. Who the **** would care about Rin except Kakashi and Obito? That IS Obito. Obito fought the 4th hokage, he was involved in the Uchiha massacre, he was NOT responsible for Nagato's Rinnegan or controlling Mizukage. There ARE two Tobi's. The original is Madara now that Im certain of it. I was thinking it was possibly Danzou but I pretty much eliminated that now. The fact that the hair never actually changes in this series shows you that thats Madars hair in the first Tobi masked man who revealed himself to Kisame
 

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Re: Madara(Tobi)/Obito(Tobi) connection

Number 5 would explain it all really. That, or living under the Moon's Eye Plan would allow Obito to see Rin again, being a genjutsu and all.



True , Infinite Tsukiyomi would allow this , since it makes KA look like nothing.

There is a possibility for this.


Also , Madara and Tobi would have their own free will inside the infinite Tsukiyomi = since they can manipulate it.
 

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Here's my theory on how he survived and what he did afterwards:

Well, though i didn't want to believe it myself, it is clear that Obito has "survived" in both body and mind.

Obito Clearly said that the reason he has done this is because Kakashi let Rin die. Whether Madara also had any impact upon him is unknown, but what is known is that Madara knew Obito. This confirms that Madara was alive atleast long enough to know Obito.

Obito survived like this:

In order for Obito to have survived he would have to have either instant regeneration/revival(Which can only be obtained by either edo tensei(which he clearly isn't), Hashirama's and Tsunade's ability to instantly regenerate, or the Naraka path)

It is known that Madara had the rinnegan before his death, with the rinnegan he has the ability to resurrect someone, anyone who is recently dead with the naraka path. This would restore his crushed Sharingan and the rest of his body.

Madara then takes Obito under his wing for long enough time to transfer knowledge and train him, this happens between the time of Obito's death and the Tobi's attack against Konoha with the ninetails.(Sometime during this time Rin dies, enraging Obito, Madara dies after Rin's death seeing as how he knows about the plan).

Also it may have been possible to transfer Madaras knowledge using the human path to Obito.

This causes him to do the following:

Obito now knowing that the seal for a bijuu is weakest when its host is giving birth(due to knowledge gained by Madara), he attacks Kushina and releases the Kyuubi and controls him(the ability to control the Kyuubi was taught to him by Madara). Obito then loses to Minato which shows his left arm(which wasn't crushed by the rock) is made of zetsu stuff, possibly lost in a training accident or added to his body to make it more repairable after madara's death(or allow use of izanagi).

After Obito's failure he plans, schemes, trains, makes more zetsu's, and eventually kills the mizukage and takes control of that village, allowing time for his hair to grow out so people would believe he is Madara Uchiha. Around this time he also helped Itachi in the killing of the Uchiha clan. Obito manipulates Nagato and essentially becomes the Akatsuki's leader, they gain members and become powerful enough to retrieve the bijuu and seal them in Gedo meza. They inevitabally capture 7 bijuu after many akatsuki die and tobi is then revealed to be the one pulling the strings to those of konoha. Tobi captures pieces of the eight and nine tails and now is attempting to summon the Juubi. His identity is revealed in the fight. Madara shows up and affirms tobi is indeed Obito.



Some people may say, well how did Obito grow such much in such a little time? Well i don't know about you but kakashi and Gai sure look about as tall as they are now meaning Obito easily could have grown the same amount in such a short amount of time(Possibly more since we don't know whether or not his dimension slows down time).

Also some people may say that how could Obito have been the tobi controlling the mizukage? Obito had to have been the one controlling the mizukage since Kisame recognized Tobi's face when shown to him and calls him the mizukage. link to the chapter below.

 

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Call me stubborn or whatever. But how would Tobi know this?

Itachi here speaks about Uchiha Madara...

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Saying that he was his ally and teacher... (How could Obito be his teacher?)

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here he starts putting accent on the younger brother... implying Izuna.

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And where it gets interesting... Here Itachi implies that Madara took Izuna's eyes by force...

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yet Later, Tobi states that he gave them WILLINGLY! How would Obito know that?

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You will say I'm crazy, I don't care. But until all the elusiveness isn't gone from the manga, I still believe that this is an open possibility. Izuna being in the back with the whole Obito thing.
 

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the reason why i dont think tobi is truly obito is because we all know when an akatsuki member dies their abilities get explained in depth and they mostly get there background story explained!!!

Zetsu has died the black one is dead and the original white one is dead yet we know nothing about him i reckon this is because tobi is still linked with the zetsu

and to reveal zetsus backstory would ruin the plot twist

in the manga the story is done in a way to keep u guessin but in the anime its blatantly obvious

as done with kabuto raising the 6th coffin against tobi in the manga it was done in a way to keep u guessing but in the anime it was done so obviously with kabuto even stating

"ur vessel is unique"

tobi is a zetsu clone im certain of this the black zetsu uses wood style he was made with the 1st dna by original madara

i reckon its linked to zetsus abilities of eating corpses prolly ate dead obito gained his memories to utilise his jutsu abilities

he copied obito as he had the unique ability of teleporting and because zetsu clones r weak he can utilitse this in not taking big hits

look at tobis battle against minato and torune and fu when he takes a hit he turns white like zetsu and starts to slime

all this about him really being obito is him trolling
 

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Call me stubborn or whatever. But how would Tobi know this?

Itachi here speaks about Uchiha Madara...

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Saying that he was his ally and teacher... (How could Obito be his teacher?)

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here he starts putting accent on the younger brother... implying Izuna.

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And where it gets interesting... Here Itachi implies that Madara took Izuna's eyes by force...

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yet Later, Tobi states that he gave them WILLINGLY! How would Obito know that?

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You will say I'm crazy, I don't care. But until all the elusiveness isn't gone from the manga, I still believe that this is an open possibility. Izuna being in the back with the whole Obito thing.
well tobito first of all older then Itachi, he also lied to Sasuke couple of times, why won't it make sense that itachi called tobito his teacher, cuz he showed him how to achieve the mangekyo sharingan, maybe Shisui was within this whole plot.

madara did teach the ms and gave information to Obito, Obito gave it to Itachi, Itachi & Obito to sasuke.

Secondly, the real madara just told obito that his brother gave it to him "willingly?" while Obito told Itachi he took it by force.

You mylady just forget the fact that madara and obito are related to each other last chapter showed it. Clear your mind and think about it, there is no Problem in this.

You just want him to involve Izuna somehow, but "reality is just cruelly moving forward" as obito said~
 
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well tobito first of all older then Itachi, he also lied to Sasuke couple of times, why won't it make sense that itachi called tobito his teacher, cuz he showed him how to achieve the mangekyo sharingan, maybe Shisui was within this whole plot.

Secondly, the real madara just told obito that his brother gave it to him "willingly?" while Obito told Itachi he took it by force.

You mylady just forget the fact that madara and obito are related to each other last chapter showed it. Clear your mind and think about it, there is no Problem in this.

You just want him to be kind of Izuna, but "reality is just curelly moving forward" as obito said~
I didn't said it won't make sense. I stated that there is something like... fishy. Regarding Shisui I can harldly believe that Itachi wouldn't recognize his best friend, don't you think?

For the moment it's only shown they know eachother, not related. Don't misinterpret things.
I don't want him to be Izuna, I can care less who he is in the end, it's just the fact that Obito being Tobi doesn't add to the plot that much.


I still don't buy this thing with Tobi being Obito, to be honest. When Kurama recognized Madara, he always said it loud and clear, only when he met Tobi he only said "You...". If it would've been Madara, I think that he would've adressed the same way as before... Thus implying it wasn't Madara back there, it was someone very similar to Madara that Kurama recognized.

I tend to go for Izuna because he was said to be Madara's equal. Only that now he's in Obito's body. It would make more sense than anything else.
And it will include Obito as well. Something very similar to this:

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This would explain Obito behaviour...

Until Kishi is not 100% clear, not elusive, I have the right to still doubt things.

This would explain the whole: You let Rin die...
 

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I didn't said it won't make sense. I stated that there is something like... fishy. Regarding Shisui I can harldly believe that Itachi wouldn't recognize his best friend, don't you think?

For the moment it's only shown they know eachother, not related. Don't misinterpret things.
I don't want him to be Izuna, I can care less who he is in the end, it's just the fact that Obito being Tobi doesn't add to the plot that much.


I still don't buy this thing with Tobi being Obito, to be honest. When Kurama recognized Madara, he always said it loud and clear, only when he met Tobi he only said "You...". If it would've been Madara, I think that he would've adressed the same way as before... Thus implying it wasn't Madara back there, it was someone very similar to Madara that Kurama recognized.

I tend to go for Izuna because he was said to be Madara's equal. Only that now he's in Obito's body. It would make more sense than anything else.
And it will include Obito as well. Something very similar to this:

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This would explain Obito behaviour...

Until Kishi is not 100% clear, not elusive, I have the right to still doubt things.

This would explain the whole: You let Rin die...
well this thing with kurama i just said once, Kurama is not like a chakra sensor god who is able to differ between uchiha that good. He looked into Sasukes eyes and said they were similar to madara, yeye i know similar but he saw his face, if he did wear a mask and Sasuke had tried to control him, won't a normal Beeing not think it was the one that tried it the last time on me? I really Belive that our 9 Tailed Fox is not as sharp as u think, he just thought of Madara, when he saw tobito who tried to control him. Also we can see Orochimaru did not really care about intension of the body he took over. Why should Izuna care about Rin? I mean the reason to not show himself before kakashi? Izuna would also less care about that shit~ So it won't really explain anything~ And all Uchiha are related oO and to think of it, we do not know about Obitos Father Mother or anything like that, to assume that Obito could be Madaras Grandson or Maybe Izunas, won't harm any theory.

We do not really know anything about Izuna, only what people told about him, why should Madara adress his brother Obito? Also we saw that Orochimaru gets his original appearence after the body switching, Izuna did not, so the possbility of him beeing Obito decreases mor or less even further~ I never said its impossible, but beeing fully Obito makes more sense
 
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well this thing with kurama i just said once, Kurama is not like a chakra sensor god who is able to differ between uchiha that good. He looked into Sasukes eyes and said they were similar to madara, yeye i know similar but he saw his face, if he did wear a mask and Sasuke had tried to control him, won't a normal Beeing not think it was the one that tried it the last time on me? I really Belive that our 9 Tailed Fox is not as sharp as u think, he just thought of Madara, when he saw tobito who tried to control him. Also we can see Orochimaru did not really care about intension of the body he took over. Why should Izuna care about Rin? I mean the reason to not show himself before kakashi? Izuna would also less care about that shit~ So it won't really explain anything~ And all Uchiha are related oO and to think of it, we do not know about Obitos Father Mother or anything like that, to assume that Obito could be Madaras Grandson or Maybe Izunas, won't harm any theory.

We do not really know anything about Izuna, only what people told about him, why should Madara adress his brother Obito? Also we saw that Orochimaru gets his original appearence after the body switching, Izuna did not, so the possbility of him beeing Obito decreases mor or less even further~ I never said its impossible, but beeing fully Obito makes more sense
Kurama recognized Sasuke by his chakra pattern. And not only once Kurama recognizes Madara by the chakra pattern. Remember when Naruto came into the batterfield. He recognized Madara immediately. So yes, in some sort of way Kurama is a sensor type.

As well, I didn't said he had to care. Orochimaru didn't care either. But the reason he could be doing this is to play with their minds. I mean, look at Madara, he did the same with the kages. Trying to hit in their moral first before fighting. And as it was stated that Madara and Izuna were alike, that would be logically correct.

Why Madara adress his brother Obito? Well, isn't it quite simple? A part of their plan? To continue both the mind games?
You are right about the appearance in regard to Orochimaru but it could as well be somewhere a rule to keep he body intact from the physiognomy point of view. As well, regarding the appearance thing, here could intervene Zetsu as some sort of explanation on how to keep the physiognomy intact as we've seen the body has Zetsu parts.

Orochimaru needed to change bodies because those bodies weren't lasting but Obito's body could last as he has parts of Zetsu who has parts of Hashirama's cells leading to longevitity.

This whole thing could be a bluff and Obito thing could be the best cover for everything.
 
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