Obito/Tobi Is Not As Strong As People Think.

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Okay, So let me start by saying this is in no way a hate thread for Obito, I actually like him as a Shinobi I'm just sick of people pretending like he's 2nd from Madara in the Ninja food chain, of course I cant just make a statement like this without providing facts to support it so here they are...

1. Since being introduced in Shippuden (Posing as Tobi) he hasnt showed us anything that could group in the same category as Madara, besides having a unique Space time Ninjutsu and possessing the Sharingan he's battle skills up until the 3rd shinobi war have been null.

2. He created a group called Akatsuki and used their brute force to gather 7 of the 9 tailed beasts whilst sitting in the sidelines coming up with strategy after strategy to aid his Eye of The Moon plan.

3. During he's one on one fight with The Fourth Hokage he did not 'Own Him' as so many people have stated, he got his ass kicked and had to retreat after losing an arm and having the Kyubbi stripped from his power, Minato may have died but that doesn't mean he was 'Owned' he sacrificed himself idiots.

4. He used Sasuke to Infiltrate the 5Kage Summit and only showed up for two seconds to tell his plan and save Sasuke from Tushickage's dust release technique, he then did what he's done for most of the Anime, use his Space time to run off.

5. During his fight with Konan he struggled (wether people like to admit it or not) he also would have died during her billion paper bomb trap if he hadn't had Izanagi under his belt, remember Konana thought she had killed him, he snuck up on her and pierced a vital point in her Chest, she was still able to fight him off despite being critically wounded.

My point is that up until acquiring the Rinnegan, manipulating the 6 dead Jinchurikki and using the the Gedo statue Tobi's fighting style has been nothing but sneak attacks, disappearing tricks and using others to do his dirty work. I doubt he has much power on his own and have listed 5 facts to support my argument, hopefully this will stop people talking about Obito/Tobi as if he is some kind of Shinobi war god, I'm not denying that his feats have been great I'm simply stating that his battle skills are hardly that of Madara Uchiha.
 
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Let's see, 7 bijuus, soon ten tails, gedo mazo, rinnegan, mangekyo with a powerful kamui, senju DNA and can't be touched

#Fail thread
 

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The problem with this is that when push comes to shove 99.99% of shinobi could not hit Tobi if they tried. His 'ghost' mode is just to OP and it takes very unique conditions to overcome it. This is the main reason he is placed so high on peoples list, and since he had this ability before the rinnegan his listing in top 3 is well worth it.
 

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Let's see, 7 bijuus, soon ten tails, gedo mazo, rinnegan, mangekyo with a powerful kamui, senju DNA and can't be touched

#Fail thread
Fail post. Srsly, have you even read his points? They're all true.
Yes, Tobi isnt as powerful as people like to point out. It is simply extremly difficult to hit him. The Rinnegan is another topic, he stillt doesnt use it...
 

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Good thread, well said. However, i do agree that he is not second to Madara he is still an amazing shinobi which you did say and he uses his abilities to his advantage. Just like Madara does. I just think its insane how he went from being a naruto to being able to do the things he does and use the skills he does.

I don't think this is fail thread because although Tobi does have all those things, he doesn't use rinnegan, he doesn't use other MS abilities.
 

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I rate every character by Intelligence and thats why I have to say Tobi is one of the top on my list. By the knowledge he have and the way he uses it. Tobi knows he is not as strong without his s/t technique. Thats why he only put one of Nagato eyes in instead of using all 2.
 

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His s/t technique is the main reason why people consider him as powerful. It is S-rank jutsu which can be used almost everytime with very low drain of chakra. Most of your statements are true. But he is now more experienced. About Konan..he couldn't kill her before taking from her information about Nagato's grave. "he also would have died" - but he didn't? He knows his limits, he survive against long planned strategy directly for him. When his arm was damaged by nanobugs he simply decided to rip this arm of, so wounds are not so important to him. He is also fast(as a sharingan user).But, on the other side. As U sad, he don't possess any brutal force that could be graded as S-rank. Without Kamui he would be ordinary ninja.
 

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You're talking about accomplishments, I'm talking about brute strength, if you had read the whole thing you'd know that.
i agree and think that this thread is long over due. duno how anyone thinks minato got owned by tobi. ill agree tobi is smart and very oppurtunistic but tobi ambushed minato and took the kyuubi and then minato figured him out in what 2 exchanges? and thats when tobi said "peace out i dont want to die" haha

I rate every character by Intelligence and thats why I have to say Tobi is one of the top on my list. By the knowledge he have and the way he uses it. Tobi knows he is not as strong without his s/t technique. Thats why he only put one of Nagato eyes in instead of using all 2.
this i agree as well he has accomplished alot due to his smarts cant ignore that. great antagonist imo
 

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Okay, So let me start by saying this is in no way a hate thread for Obito, I actually like him as a Shinobi I'm just sick of people pretending like he's 2nd from Madara in the Ninja food chain, of course I cant just make a statement like this without providing facts to support it so here they are...

1. Since being introduced in Shippuden (Posing as Tobi) he hasnt showed us anything that could group in the same category as Madara, besides having a unique Space time Ninjutsu and possessing the Sharingan he's battle skills up until the 3rd shinobi war have been null.

2. He created a group called Akatsuki and used their brute force to gather 7 of the 9 tailed beasts whilst sitting in the sidelines coming up with strategy after strategy to aid his Eye of The Moon plan.

3. During he's one on one fight with The Fourth Hokage he did not 'Own Him' as so many people have stated, he got his ass kicked and had to retreat after losing an arm and having the Kyubbi stripped from his power, Minato may have died but that doesn't mean he was 'Owned' he sacrificed himself idiots.

4. He used Sasuke to Infiltrate the 5Kage Summit and only showed up for two seconds to tell his plan and save Sasuke from Tushickage's dust release technique, he then did what he's done for most of the Anime, use his Space time to run off.

5. During his fight with Konan he struggled (wether people like to admit it or not) he also would have died during her billion paper bomb trap if he hadn't had Izanagi under his belt, remember Konana thought she had killed him, he snuck up on her and pierced a vital point in her Chest, she was still able to fight him off despite being critically wounded.

My point is that up until acquiring the Rinnegan, manipulating the 6 dead Jinchurikki and using the the Gedo statue Tobi's fighting style has been nothing but sneak attacks, disappearing tricks and using others to do his dirty work. I doubt he has much power on his own and have listed 5 facts to support my argument, hopefully this will stop people talking about Obito/Tobi as if he is some kind of Shinobi war god, I'm not denying that his feats have been great I'm simply stating that his battle skills are hardly that of Madara Uchiha.
1. That unique Space time Ninjutsu allowed him to fight around the same level as the 4th Hokage

2. That just shows his great intelligence.

3. Minato might not have gotten owned, but neither did Tobi.

4. This was before he obtained the rinnegan, gedo and 6 tailed beasts.

5. The fight was almost completely one sided towards Konan: she knows his technique, she had 600 billion paper bombs and had been planning this trap for a long time.

6. People only started putting him on Madara's level after acquiring the rinnegan, gedo and 6 tailed beasts.
 

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He's kept up with Naruto and Killer Bee at full power and had to keep his guard up for Kakashi and Guy on top of that. That says a lot. He's using his mind, following his instincts, maximizing his jutsu usage, and has the strength to fight off two hosts of tailed beats that have control of the eight and nine tailed beasts.

I'm no fan of Tobi/Obito but he's proving to be quite adept as a enemy. If it were just him vs Naruto and Killer Bee he would have captured them by now.
 

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1. That unique Space time Ninjutsu allowed him to fight around the same level as the 4th Hokage

2. That just shows his great intelligence.

3. Minato might not have gotten owned, but neither did Tobi.

4. This was before he obtained the rinnegan, gedo and 6 tailed beasts.

5. The fight was almost completely one sided towards Konan: she knows his technique, she had 600 billion paper bombs and had been planning this trap for a long time.

6. People only started putting him on Madara's level after acquiring the rinnegan, gedo and 6 tailed beasts.
tobi got owned by minato. minato didnt take any damage from tobi and made tobi run away=pwned
 

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OBITO UNDERRATER! Obito is second to Madara. You aren't looking at everything about Obito.

Obito's abilities include:
  • Intelligence
  • Very very very powerful Sharingan
  • RINNEGAN
  • Senju DNA (WOOD RELEASE!) + Sharingan = Izanagi
  • Madara tutelage
  • Body regeneration
  • Every thing else that I don't feel like posting
  • *Extreme badassery
And I agree with you that he didn't own Minato. (I'll admit it...he did get PWNED!!!) Come on guys, he lost! BUT, the only reason for this was because he underestimated Minato. Think about it: If Obito had of reached out at Minato as far as he could and fast as he could before that kunai went trough him........Let's just say Konoha would be no more.

Disclaimer: NO disrespect at all to Minato who will always be godly, NO MATTER WHAT

EDIT: And the ONLY reason he even got hurt fighting konan was because he underestimated her. He even said, "I didn't take you seriously enough. I should have remembered that you are a former member of Akatsuki."
 
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