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Guys, I still don't understand how Obito could possibly be Tobi except that he and Kakashi have the same Sharingan. I mean, one major plot hole is that how could Obito control the Kyubi at the age of 13-15 and manage to defeat his sensei, the 4th Hokage...
 

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he did not exactly DEFEAT his sensei, But I think that was Madara with Obito's eye implanted. Even the kyuubi recognised the masked man to be Madara Uchiha not just because of the sharingan he had.
 

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he did not exactly DEFEAT his sensei, But I think that was Madara with Obito's eye implanted. Even the kyuubi recognised the masked man to be Madara Uchiha not just because of the sharingan he had.

you're right...but how could he have gotten Obito's eye? It was (probably) crushed.
 

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Guys, I still don't understand how Obito could possibly be Tobi except that he and Kakashi have the same Sharingan. I mean, one major plot hole is that how could Obito control the Kyubi at the age of 13-15 and manage to defeat his sensei, the 4th Hokage...

I would love to see what you people have read that made you decide it was actually Tobi who fought Minato.
 

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you're right...but how could he have gotten Obito's eye? It was (probably) crushed.

Well, it looks like Madara somehow managed to rescue Obito from the ruin maybe the damage wasn't completely fatal and Madara is likely to know superior medical techniques using white zetsu dna. The point is even after being revived, Obito wouldn't hate on konoha right away that would happen after Rin's death. So Madara borrowed Obito's eyes and implanted on himself and attacked konoha Minato and kushina. I think by that stage, Madara already gave his own eyes away to Nagato. At any rate, when Obito finally learned to hate konoha and decided to work on project tsukiyomi, Madara gave his eye back to him. Thats the best I can explain anyway.
 

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probably its like a body manipulating jutsu... like itachi and kisamae did to kakashi and gai in the retrieval of gaara...
 

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yeah,something feels strange there
 

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i think obito getting trained by madara makes up for the two year difference even though he lost (he lost thats what you have to remember) but it still makes me angry knowing that its obito too many plotholes right know (till kishi explains) so i guess i have to wait like all of us
 

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huuuh dont mean to be an ass and never thought i would say this but use the search button
 
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Guys, I still don't understand how Obito could possibly be Tobi except that he and Kakashi have the same Sharingan. I mean, one major plot hole is that how could Obito control the Kyubi at the age of 13-15 and manage to defeat his sensei, the 4th Hokage...


Its the other way around my friend. Minato kicks Obito's butt for your info.To keep things straight. Read the manga and watch that precise episode dude..Obito was the master mind behind the attacked of Konoha.. Dumb comments saying it was Madara will be SLAP in the face with HUMILITY when the truth comes out.
 
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Why do people call pretty much everything a plot-hole? Makes no sense, it's not really a plot-hole until the plot has finished... Which it hasn't...
 

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Madara and The Tobi's

manga says before madara died he achieve his rinnegan
when madara knows his time is near he searched for someone who can used his rinnegan and find this uzumaki which is the young nagato.

izuna, having no eyes still continued fighting that war with his big bro. and said to be died
or maybe missing, and saved by someone

If madara had a son or a direct descendant(if izuna had a son too) he maybe give his rinnegan to him not to nagato.
but Kabuto didn't find any dna or trace from izuna that hope to be used on his ET

if izuna is also saved by someone during the first shinobi world war, i think it's Zetsu who saved him and then they form the Masked Man.

Did anyone else noticed that kamui used by the Old TOBI and The Present TOBI(obito) is different kind of Kamui that Kakashi's using? i mean different approached.

Kakashi's kamui can on only be cast to someone or something, not to himself.
Tobi's Kamui can only be cast to himself and what ever he's handling.

Obito's right eye(crushed) could be seriously damage and cannot be used.

TOBI's right eye could be from the uchiha who is related to obito.
we dont know obito's family yet, he may come from one of the genius uchiha out there like itachi's family.


that's why they teamed up with
Minato(sensei, konoha's yellow flash,4th hokage)
Kakashi(son of the white fang who said to be treated like the legendary sanin's)
Rin(Prodigy in Medical nin)

then why they chose Obito? even seem to be a stubborn kid and a crying baby.
so there's really special aside from being uchiha but on his immediate family.
 
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Re: Madara and The Tobi's

manga says before madara died he achieve his rinnegan
when madara knows his time is near he searched for someone who can used his rinnegan and find this uzumaki which is the young nagato.

izuna, having no eyes still continued fighting that war with his big bro. and said to be died
or maybe missing, and saved by someone

If madara had a son or a direct descendant(if izuna had a son too) he maybe give his rinnegan to him not to nagato.
but Kabuto didn't find any dna or trace from izuna that hope to be used on his ET

if izuna is also saved by someone during the first shinobi world war, i think it's Zetsu who saved him and then they form the Masked Man.

Did anyone else noticed that kamui used by the Old TOBI and The Present TOBI(obito) is different kind of Kamui that Kakashi's using? i mean different approached.

Kakashi's kamui can on only be cast to someone or something, not to himself.
Tobi's Kamui can only be cast to himself and what ever he's handling.

Obito's right eye(crushed) could be seriously damage and cannot be used.

TOBI's right eye could be from the uchiha who is related to obito.
we dont know obito's family yet, he may come from one of the genius uchiha out there like itachi's family.


that's why they teamed up with
Minato(sensei, konoha's yellow flash,4th hokage)
Kakashi(son of the white fang who said to be treated like the legendary sanin's)
Rin(Prodigy in Medical nin)

then why they chose Obito? even seem to be a stubborn kid and a crying baby.
so there's really special aside from being uchiha but on his immediate family.

Uhmm... Id Like to say this: Dude u Think too Much and I'm quite amazed by u post this is one of the longest I've seen so far
 
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