And I would love to see the faces of all those who go running around like headless chikens screaming Tobi is Obito and not paying attention to the unavoidable timeline fact. My be his body, but NO F******G WAY his mind!!! The true is that even if he turns to be other than Obito, The psycological impact on both Kakashi and Gai will be devastating.
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions
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i Can't believe this crap...
Naruto wiki has placed all of tobis doings and dealings under the obito uchiha profile...
I'm sorry but that is a huge mistake, they are dead wrong.
Tobi has never once claimed to be obito.
NOT EVEN ONCE...
I'm going to use some references, so that everyone can see for themselves that instead of me just saying some dumb crap that isnt even true and being dead wrong like half the posters here do, I'm actually using the story itself as a basis for my speech.
Tobi HAS said over and over that he is Madara Uchiha...
"I AM UCHIHA MADARA, THE MAN WHO OBTAINED HASHIRAMA"S POWERS"
And another, Tobi claims to have fought hashirama and stolen senju dna from him...
hashirama died decades before obito was even born... so bs on that one too.
I'd also like to point out that he said this to someone he just killed.
Would you lie about being someone else to someone you just killed?
I sure hope not, because thats the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever heard...
Minato wouldve recognized his own pupil during their fight...
even Minato, belived that the only person he could possibly be is Madara...
so that wasnt him there, because I KNOW that you are not going to try and tell me that Minato, the 4th Hokage, the baddest mofo out there at the time mistook his OWN PUPIL for Madara...because of a damn mask? because that would be absolute lunacy...
and the ultimate uchiha super ninja itachi, one of the only ninja to ever escape the edo tensei and a man who brought about his own death, wouldnt have been punked and fooled by a vagina like obito, so its not obito there either...
itachi had shisui's eye at this point and knew everyone in the uchiha.
tobi even admits that itachi was the only one to even NOTICE Tobi's presence...
he also states at one point that since Itachi is finally dead, he can finally proceed with his plans, as if Itachi was the one individual keeping him from his plans...
NOW THAT IS AMAZING POWER FROM ITACHI!!
also, obito wouldnt have been able to control the mizukage and fool kisame...the only ninja who we have seen that had the massive guts to kill himself straight up...
so thats not obito there or then...
also there have been multiple occasions where he has even said by his own admission and by kishi to be madara, here and here.
"TOBI/UCHIHA MADARA FINALLY SHOWS HIS FACE" - author
"IT WAS ME UCHIHA MADARA" - tobi himself
"I EXHAUSTED EVERY RESOURCE TO GET MORE POWER, FRIENDS, MY BROTHER, EVERYTHING" - tobi talking about izuna being his brother...if he isnt madara, than its a little strange that obito would talk about izuna as if that were his brother, dont you think? hes taking all that history very seriously, if its not his past...what is this drama class in high school and hes trying to get an A+? WTH?
"SENJU HASHIRAMA, THE GREATEST NINJA OF HIS TIME AND THE ONLY MAN I HAD EVER ADMIRED" - tobi himself talking about knowing and respecting the first hokage, I'm sorry but if this is obito, than he is taking this act a little too far...because this is ridiculous...
"who are you" -kisame
"UCHIHA MADARA" - tobi himself
I like how chapter 475 is entilted "MADARAS TRUE WORTH" referring to tobi.
heres another good one... obito is SHOCKED at the edo madara... why would obito be that shocked by an edo madara? how would he even know madara, who would have surely perished YEARS before his birth?... its obvious that he knows exactly who is in the coffin, even though Obito would never have had the opportunity to meet the real madara, as he obviously died at some point before obito was born because madara is an edo that means he died at some point, and I cant see him living up to the point of obitos life and THEN dying, because what would have killed him at that point? Old Age? Oh come on! Tobi calls Kabuto a "MADMAN" why? why would kabuto be a madman for bringing an edo madara back into the picture? obviously tobi knows the power of madara, the man in the coffin, he is visibly shaken by seeing this...that doesnt sound at all like something that obito would know about.
and at the end of their conversation, Kabuto calls Tobi "Madara Uchiha"
SERIOUSLY? Kabuto just brought up an EDO MADARA, which shows he KNOWS for a FACT that Madara is dead, and then he calls Tobi - MADARA... no wonder Tobis reply is "wise guy..." like "f**k you kabuto, you tool, you know thats not me, but you said it anyways" haha on a side note, I love kabuto...he's awesome as hell...
and another...tobi claims to have given nagato the rinnengan, who we know activated the eyes as a child...he was born before obito, because nagato was a child during the second shinobi war, and obito died during the third shinobi war...so another bs story...
sure...his name is similar...sure...this face looks like obito and has matching scars...sure...he has the same mangekyou as kakashi, pretty obviously obito's other eye...but that would be where the similarities end, and those arent nearly as convincing as the literal MOUNTAIN of evidence to the contrary...
so just because you all want to believe that he is obito, doesnt mean that he is.
the timeline of tobi, tobis dealings with others and his known doings simply do not coincide with obito, infact they are quite the opposite and contradict each other completely...
for instance...why would obito want to destroy all the uchiha with itachi?
why would obito want to destroy konoha with the kyuubi, kurama?
why would obito be so concerned and obsessed with sasuke and the "legend of hatred" from the past involving senju and uchiha? as far as I can see, obito was never involved with a senju in a rivalry...kakashi doesnt apply...
how would obito have had access to information concerning the juubi, the sage of six paths history, and a genjutsu powerful enough to mask the world in a dream?
NO ONE ELSE HAS BEEN PRIVVY TO THIS KNOWLEDGE!
not itachi, not sasuke, not any of the kage, not any of the jinchuuriki, etc.
hell most of the world considered the sage of the six paths to be a MYTH.
Tobi knows that the gedo statue is the key to resurrecting the juubi, and by doing so he can control it with his eye and command the ultimate genjutsu?
THIS IS THE KID WHO DIED UNDER A BOULDER AND GOT PWNED BY GUY AND SOME RETARD SHINOBI IN THE THIRD NINJA WAR??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
in closing...
the simple fact is that: as much as tobi now VISUALLY looks to be Obito, he simply isn't and cannot be, and a lot of people are going to look very stupid very soon for having posted "i told you so" and "tobi is obito" because its not possible. heh.
Sooo... since this last chapter ends with a "obito?" question mark.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that its not obito, because thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard...obviously kakashi is even in disbelief, as you all should be too...i know I sure as hell am, because given the knowledge we have about both Tobi and Obito, they arent the same person...
Naruto wiki has placed all of tobis doings and dealings under the obito uchiha profile...
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I'm sorry but that is a huge mistake, they are dead wrong.
Tobi has never once claimed to be obito.
NOT EVEN ONCE...
I'm going to use some references, so that everyone can see for themselves that instead of me just saying some dumb crap that isnt even true and being dead wrong like half the posters here do, I'm actually using the story itself as a basis for my speech.
Tobi HAS said over and over that he is Madara Uchiha...
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"I AM UCHIHA MADARA, THE MAN WHO OBTAINED HASHIRAMA"S POWERS"
And another, Tobi claims to have fought hashirama and stolen senju dna from him...
hashirama died decades before obito was even born... so bs on that one too.
I'd also like to point out that he said this to someone he just killed.
Would you lie about being someone else to someone you just killed?
I sure hope not, because thats the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever heard...
Minato wouldve recognized his own pupil during their fight...
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even Minato, belived that the only person he could possibly be is Madara...
so that wasnt him there, because I KNOW that you are not going to try and tell me that Minato, the 4th Hokage, the baddest mofo out there at the time mistook his OWN PUPIL for Madara...because of a damn mask? because that would be absolute lunacy...
and the ultimate uchiha super ninja itachi, one of the only ninja to ever escape the edo tensei and a man who brought about his own death, wouldnt have been punked and fooled by a vagina like obito, so its not obito there either...
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itachi had shisui's eye at this point and knew everyone in the uchiha.
tobi even admits that itachi was the only one to even NOTICE Tobi's presence...
he also states at one point that since Itachi is finally dead, he can finally proceed with his plans, as if Itachi was the one individual keeping him from his plans...
NOW THAT IS AMAZING POWER FROM ITACHI!!
also, obito wouldnt have been able to control the mizukage and fool kisame...the only ninja who we have seen that had the massive guts to kill himself straight up...
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so thats not obito there or then...
also there have been multiple occasions where he has even said by his own admission and by kishi to be madara, here and here.
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"TOBI/UCHIHA MADARA FINALLY SHOWS HIS FACE" - author
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"IT WAS ME UCHIHA MADARA" - tobi himself
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"I EXHAUSTED EVERY RESOURCE TO GET MORE POWER, FRIENDS, MY BROTHER, EVERYTHING" - tobi talking about izuna being his brother...if he isnt madara, than its a little strange that obito would talk about izuna as if that were his brother, dont you think? hes taking all that history very seriously, if its not his past...what is this drama class in high school and hes trying to get an A+? WTH?
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"SENJU HASHIRAMA, THE GREATEST NINJA OF HIS TIME AND THE ONLY MAN I HAD EVER ADMIRED" - tobi himself talking about knowing and respecting the first hokage, I'm sorry but if this is obito, than he is taking this act a little too far...because this is ridiculous...
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"who are you" -kisame
"UCHIHA MADARA" - tobi himself
I like how chapter 475 is entilted "MADARAS TRUE WORTH" referring to tobi.
You must be registered for see links
heres another good one... obito is SHOCKED at the edo madara... why would obito be that shocked by an edo madara? how would he even know madara, who would have surely perished YEARS before his birth?... its obvious that he knows exactly who is in the coffin, even though Obito would never have had the opportunity to meet the real madara, as he obviously died at some point before obito was born because madara is an edo that means he died at some point, and I cant see him living up to the point of obitos life and THEN dying, because what would have killed him at that point? Old Age? Oh come on! Tobi calls Kabuto a "MADMAN" why? why would kabuto be a madman for bringing an edo madara back into the picture? obviously tobi knows the power of madara, the man in the coffin, he is visibly shaken by seeing this...that doesnt sound at all like something that obito would know about.
and at the end of their conversation, Kabuto calls Tobi "Madara Uchiha"
SERIOUSLY? Kabuto just brought up an EDO MADARA, which shows he KNOWS for a FACT that Madara is dead, and then he calls Tobi - MADARA... no wonder Tobis reply is "wise guy..." like "f**k you kabuto, you tool, you know thats not me, but you said it anyways" haha on a side note, I love kabuto...he's awesome as hell...
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and another...tobi claims to have given nagato the rinnengan, who we know activated the eyes as a child...he was born before obito, because nagato was a child during the second shinobi war, and obito died during the third shinobi war...so another bs story...
sure...his name is similar...sure...this face looks like obito and has matching scars...sure...he has the same mangekyou as kakashi, pretty obviously obito's other eye...but that would be where the similarities end, and those arent nearly as convincing as the literal MOUNTAIN of evidence to the contrary...
so just because you all want to believe that he is obito, doesnt mean that he is.
the timeline of tobi, tobis dealings with others and his known doings simply do not coincide with obito, infact they are quite the opposite and contradict each other completely...
for instance...why would obito want to destroy all the uchiha with itachi?
why would obito want to destroy konoha with the kyuubi, kurama?
why would obito be so concerned and obsessed with sasuke and the "legend of hatred" from the past involving senju and uchiha? as far as I can see, obito was never involved with a senju in a rivalry...kakashi doesnt apply...
how would obito have had access to information concerning the juubi, the sage of six paths history, and a genjutsu powerful enough to mask the world in a dream?
NO ONE ELSE HAS BEEN PRIVVY TO THIS KNOWLEDGE!
not itachi, not sasuke, not any of the kage, not any of the jinchuuriki, etc.
hell most of the world considered the sage of the six paths to be a MYTH.
Tobi knows that the gedo statue is the key to resurrecting the juubi, and by doing so he can control it with his eye and command the ultimate genjutsu?
THIS IS THE KID WHO DIED UNDER A BOULDER AND GOT PWNED BY GUY AND SOME RETARD SHINOBI IN THE THIRD NINJA WAR??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
in closing...
the simple fact is that: as much as tobi now VISUALLY looks to be Obito, he simply isn't and cannot be, and a lot of people are going to look very stupid very soon for having posted "i told you so" and "tobi is obito" because its not possible. heh.
Sooo... since this last chapter ends with a "obito?" question mark.
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that its not obito, because thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard...obviously kakashi is even in disbelief, as you all should be too...i know I sure as hell am, because given the knowledge we have about both Tobi and Obito, they arent the same person...
JuvenileSin
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Lol and if they are right (not that i want them to be since i don't really like the whole tobi=obito) everyone going to laugh at you for "looking stupid" trying to work so hard to disprove them =P no but honestly i do believe its just his body and nothing more. at least until the day tobi actually says he is Obito.
If it is obito's body, it is obito. I don't care if it is not obito in mind, because we are looking at an obito right now. We were right, it is ****ing obito. Now stop using mind as an excuse. It actually might nit be obito's mind. But fine. Anyone who ever made any argument on why it physically couldnt be obito should have already apologized. If you only ever argued that obito had no insentive, which I highly doubt is true of anybody, then you have a chance at being right and not a total jack ass.
JuvenileSin
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lol so since its just his body and not his mind its still obito? first of all everyone who argued it was obito most likely meant it was him in mind body and soul. second that makes no sense, thats like saying when orochi is in other peoples bodies it was still the person whose body he is in and not orochi cause its their body... as of now no one is completely right till tobi straight out says he is obito or not. which he might say next chapter ill give you that. but till then no one is right.
My theory is Tobi is a Zetsu of Madara.
He can shape-shift like he did when he transfored to Kisame when he fought Killer-Bee.
He showed Kisame his face and Kisame saw Madara.
When he fought Minato his hand melted off.
He can shape-shift like he did when he transfored to Kisame when he fought Killer-Bee.
He showed Kisame his face and Kisame saw Madara.
When he fought Minato his hand melted off.
sugar4free
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if it really was Obito, then in front of Kakashi he would have bragged that Kakashi was inferior to him due to their sort of rivalry. And still, he gave his eye to Kakashi, to HIS FRIEND.
I guess Tobi (body, spirit or whatever) could be some good experiment of Orochimaru's sleeves.
Just think about it
/my 2 cents
I guess Tobi (body, spirit or whatever) could be some good experiment of Orochimaru's sleeves.
Just think about it
/my 2 cents
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sugar4free
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wrong. If somebody would revive your corpse and fill it with a total different and malignous spirit which goes rampage and declares war to the rest of the world, I think you would say: hey mate, it wasn't me (if you had the chance to talk as your spirit to ppl).
And sooo many ppl agree that it could be Obito's corpse somehow revived and utilized for other goals. But that's NOT the discussion.
The discussion is WHO the HELL is the guy behind the mask and WHY he wants to destroy blablabla. So if you seek to know the REAL intentions behind his actions you must know WHO really animates this body.
Got it ? No ?
I WON'T APOLOGIZE SHIT
xD
sugar4free
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I am still with this theory like my second post on this forum:
I sense no "real" Obito in all that...
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I sense no "real" Obito in all that...
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sugar4free
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well, at this stage, behind that mask there could have been every f...g "killed" Uchiha from that night....
that would explain many character and mood changes (Tobi childish with stupid voice, Tobi sage, Tobi badass, Tobi long hair, Tobi Danzo-hair etc..) and aswell the fact that Tobi fought Minato (aka who was really fighting Minato and who was it really who showed Kisame his face ? etc...).
This could be explained by looking at someone behind the scenes who uses various "Tobis" (dead Uchihas) like Nagato did with the Six Paths of Pain (crazy I know, but ye... why not lol ?). Combine that with Zetzu's powers aaaand CHAPEAU !!! xD
All we have seen was a mask, an eye and some mood changes accompanied with different haircuts and many forbidden uchiha jutsus as well as a HUGE knowledge about Uchiha power and their past. This all would fit if you combine the many knowledges of different dead Uchihas of THAT night.
again, sounds crazy but ... WHY NOT ? ( so even it could have at some stage been Fugaku, others or like now it seems Obito-like )
that would explain many character and mood changes (Tobi childish with stupid voice, Tobi sage, Tobi badass, Tobi long hair, Tobi Danzo-hair etc..) and aswell the fact that Tobi fought Minato (aka who was really fighting Minato and who was it really who showed Kisame his face ? etc...).
This could be explained by looking at someone behind the scenes who uses various "Tobis" (dead Uchihas) like Nagato did with the Six Paths of Pain (crazy I know, but ye... why not lol ?). Combine that with Zetzu's powers aaaand CHAPEAU !!! xD
All we have seen was a mask, an eye and some mood changes accompanied with different haircuts and many forbidden uchiha jutsus as well as a HUGE knowledge about Uchiha power and their past. This all would fit if you combine the many knowledges of different dead Uchihas of THAT night.
again, sounds crazy but ... WHY NOT ? ( so even it could have at some stage been Fugaku, others or like now it seems Obito-like )
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TeamNamikaze
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OK guys this is my explanation for this.
Obito. A fun loving guy who doesn't look like he would kill a fly... Or the ninja world.
But what if he is not?
Im going to piece everything together.
First. I believe Obito is dead. DONT STOP READING!
This is the first thing.
There are many jutsu that can resurrect people... let alone control people!
So lets go through the one that I believe is being used.
Kotoamatsukami.
Who has this OP Tech?
Shunsui.
But who else? DANZO!
That's the first piece.I believe Danzo used Kotoamatsukami on Obito..then ordered him to capture the nine tails in any way possible.
But that includes killing him.
But Obito is dead though....
I know.
Danzou also had Hashirama's cells in his arm to create the Zetsu.
That explains the white thing on his arms when he cut in off...
Second piece.
But who helped him create the Zetsu?
OROCHIMARU!
Orochimaru also wanted the nine tails... I think.
So if Danzo and Orochimaru connived together to create a conspiracy to capture the nine tails... they must have used Obito to do it.
But it may have went wrong.
He had to use many means to get the nine tails... even killing Danzo.
Also... Obito had another Sharingan that he used up for Izanagi.
As we all know. Danzo had plenty of Sharingan.
So when it went wrong...
Danzo tried to kill Obito.
He failed.
Obito is now crazy about what Danzo told him to do.
So he decided to try and take over the whole world to get the nine tails e.g Naruto.
World domination.
Remember... Its only my opinion.
Obito. A fun loving guy who doesn't look like he would kill a fly... Or the ninja world.
But what if he is not?
Im going to piece everything together.
First. I believe Obito is dead. DONT STOP READING!
This is the first thing.
There are many jutsu that can resurrect people... let alone control people!
So lets go through the one that I believe is being used.
Kotoamatsukami.
Who has this OP Tech?
Shunsui.
But who else? DANZO!
That's the first piece.I believe Danzo used Kotoamatsukami on Obito..then ordered him to capture the nine tails in any way possible.
But that includes killing him.
But Obito is dead though....
I know.
Danzou also had Hashirama's cells in his arm to create the Zetsu.
That explains the white thing on his arms when he cut in off...
Second piece.
But who helped him create the Zetsu?
OROCHIMARU!
Orochimaru also wanted the nine tails... I think.
So if Danzo and Orochimaru connived together to create a conspiracy to capture the nine tails... they must have used Obito to do it.
But it may have went wrong.
He had to use many means to get the nine tails... even killing Danzo.
Also... Obito had another Sharingan that he used up for Izanagi.
As we all know. Danzo had plenty of Sharingan.
So when it went wrong...
Danzo tried to kill Obito.
He failed.
Obito is now crazy about what Danzo told him to do.
So he decided to try and take over the whole world to get the nine tails e.g Naruto.
World domination.
Remember... Its only my opinion.
BlackGamabunta
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all I could say is this: I AM ONE OF THE OLD MEMBERS WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OBITO......HAHAHA.....I AM VERY HAPPY IT PROGRESSED AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD....
trollinclip
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Beat me to it haha. was actually waiting for someone to say something as detailed as this!!!
HandleysFinest
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After reading the chapter I kinda warmed up to the fact of it being obito, but it logically makes no sense, Kishi has alot of explaining to do. Finding out tobi was obito kinda ruined it for me at first because I dont get this fascination people have with obito but like i said before after I gave it the chance to soak in I'm warming up to it.
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