My take on Nagato's eyes and Tobi being Obito

[TrollingSage]

And why not? Explain

Because if Nagato has Madara's eyes, that means Madara died sometime after Nagato got the rinnegan therefore he wouldnt have lived long enough to meet Obito. And Madara seems to know whoever Tobi is.

 

[OnPoint]

The one that gets me is the first one. He said he gained Hashirama's cells in their fight. But he was talking right in front of Kabuto and Zetsu, the only two guys who know he isn't Madara:|

I'm baffled too.

Look at Tobi's hair, It looks like Obito's, But also looks like Zetsu's hair as well.
I think Tobi was Zetsu first. Zetsu couldn't use the Rinnegan for himself because he wasn't able. So i think Zetsu gave Nagato the eyes, not Madara. Zetsu most likely saw great potential in Obito, used his way of thinking and changed it around and influenced him, just like what happened to Nagato. I think Zetsu was the third person.

So who do you believe fought Yondaime?

Yeah I agree Kishi certainly has some explaining to do the timing is virtually impossible I have also thought of similar ideas such as why did Madara out of everyone in the world give Nagato the Rinnegan and at such a young age as Madara calls Nagato a little brat so I'm assuming Madara knew Nagato when he was a child and if that's the case who was it who told Yahiko to start Akatsuki since I doubt Obito would of been old enough. I think Zetsu has a much bigger part than we all know in this so I'm going to wait and find out.

I'm very interested to see what happens next.

And why not? Explain

The entire OP is the explanation as to why those two statements ('Tobi is 100% Obito', 'Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan') cannot be true at the same time.

 

[R4mbl3]

Doesn't fit, man. Tobi used S/T Ninjutsu against Minato (Kamui to be exact). This means that he had Obito's eye, yet Obito was too young to be Tobi back then. Thus, I believe that Tobi is one person. Especially since Kisame showed that the long haired Tobi and short haired Tobi are one and the same.

Thats the thing. I believe Tobi was Obito by then. He wouldn't have been too young( atleast i don't think). He was just less experienced then Minato in combat, which is why he lost.

 

[KidGamer65]

They would know ea. other through Zetsu.
Zetsu is the KEY here.

I assume when Kishimoto said they would know each other, that he meant they actually personally knew each other.

 

[The God of Wind]

Because if Nagato has Madara's eyes, that means Madara died sometime after Nagato got the rinnegan therefore he wouldnt have lived long enough to meet Obito. And Madara seems to know whoever Tobi is.

Explain why it isnt possible after reading this thread, btw this might be a major spoiler:

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[R4mbl3]

I'm baffled too.



So who do you believe fought Yondaime?



I'm very interested to see what happens next.



The entire OP is the explanation as to why those two statements ('Tobi is 100% Obito', 'Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan') cannot be true at the same time.

By then Obito. I thought just popped in my head. What if when he fought Yondaime, Zetsu or whoever trained him was just seeing if he could stand a chance in destroying Konaha? After that they realized Obito was the right choice and handed Control over to him then. Making Zetsu able to be his accomplice and No one would have ever known.

 

[TrollingSage]

Explain why it isnt possible after reading this thread, btw this might be a major spoiler:

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Well there you go. If Tobi is Obito's body possessed by Zetsu then he technically it isnt Obito.

 

[SilverSlick]

Explain why it isnt possible after reading this thread, btw this might be a major spoiler:

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Pretty interesting.

 

[zombiejesus]

the big thing is this if nagato has madaras eyes then died how did edo madara have his eyes you are brought back the way you died right so if madara died without eyes he would have no eyes now

 

[OnPoint]

By then Obito. I thought just popped in my head. What if when he fought Yondaime, Zetsu or whoever trained him was just seeing if he could stand a chance in destroying Konaha? After that they realized Obito was the right choice and handed Control over to him then. Making Zetsu able to be his accomplice and No one would have ever known.

But how does this fit in with Tobi (who you believe to be Obito) knowing Madara on a personal level? Are you suggesting that Zetsu was Tobi at one point? I'm interested to see what people have to say.

the big thing is this if nagato has madaras eyes then died how did edo madara have his eyes you are brought back the way you died right so if madara died without eyes he would have no eyes now

Total misconception, Edo Tensei does not revive you the way you were before you died. The manga has never indicated what the situation is with regards to that jutsu. Why was Sasori brought back as a human if he died a puppet, for instance? Anyhow, kabuto said he completed Madara to beyond his prime so I believe that entailed him having a youthful body coupled with the Rinnegan (which he probably awakened when he was old and/or sick).

 

[StrompStroncher]

Tobi lied a lot .. i don't think he gave Nagato his eyes just like he isn't Madara, just like he isn't 90 yrs old, blah blah blah

 

[TrollingSage]

the big thing is this if nagato has madaras eyes then died how did edo madara have his eyes you are brought back the way you died right so if madara died without eyes he would have no eyes now

This. And also how could Kabuto/Oro figure out the secrets of rinnegan if Madara corpse didnt have his eyes at the time of death?

 

[SilverSlick]

But how does this fit in with Tobi (who you believe to be Obito) knowing Madara on a personal level? Are you suggesting that Zetsu was Tobi at one point? I'm interested to see what people have to say.



Total misconception, Edo Tensei does not revive you the way you were before you died. The manga has never indicated what the situation is with regards to that jutsu. Why was Sasori brought back as a human if he died a puppet, for instance?

I simply believe Obito is being used as a host. It being Izuna is likely but unlikely at the same time. See, Madara thinks Izuna is dead.

 

[zombiejesus]

lol to many questions not enough answers

 

[SilverSlick]

lol to many questions not enough answers

I know. Jesus Christ.

 

[OnPoint]

I simply believe Obito is being used as a host. It being Izuna is likely but unlikely at the same time. See, Madara thinks Izuna is dead.

I think Obito's body is a vessel to; for whom, I can't yet say but I have a feeling it's the Elder Son.

 

[Gooner4life]

Perhaps, but he has Shodai's DNA, which speeds these things up. And there'd be better places to go and visit, like Rikudo Sennin's death. He could've ambushed the Sage and taken the Juubi as his own there and then :/



In this case, it'd have to mean like 10 years at least :/

Tobi knows he can't beat the sage xd. Anyway, this could have all started with the massacre, Tobi obtains the eyes of an Uchiha with a limited time technique and starts his doctor who routine, that means he could have met Madara, and fought Minato, then lost that to Izanagi. That means he would have waited long and that statement would have made sense, his senju DNA only makes it work enough to use it very few times, maybe the original technique was a once in a lifetime thing :shrug:. I'm pulling rubbish out of my arse now simply because I am as stumped as you, don't take this too seriously.

 

[KidGamer65]

the big thing is this if nagato has madaras eyes then died how did edo madara have his eyes you are brought back the way you died right so if madara died without eyes he would have no eyes now

Maybe someone transplanted them after Madara's death.

 

[StrompStroncher]

Tobi lied a lot .. i don't think he gave Nagato his eyes just like he isn't Madara, just like he isn't 90 yrs old, blah blah blah

 

[OnPoint]

Tobi knows he can't beat the sage xd. Anyway, this could have all started with the massacre, Tobi obtains the eyes of an Uchiha with a limited time technique and starts his doctor who routine, that means he could have met Madara, and fought Minato, then lost that to Izanagi. That means he would have waited long and that statement would have made sense, his senju DNA only makes it work enough to use it very few times, maybe the original technique was a once in a lifetime thing :shrug:. I'm pulling rubbish out of my arse now simply because I am as stumped as you, don't take this too seriously.

lol this is a complicated plot hole, one only time travel could fix.

Cazorla & Podolski :ice: