[Discussion] Why Do We Have Such Complex Minds?

[PhazoN]

For humans, the more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to survive, therefore we evolved this way. Other animals didn't become as complex because they adapted in different ways.

 

[burrito]

>.> I guess not, please enlighten me.

You wouldn't know how much id love to do that but it is a bit to much work.Yup at this point you're gonna say," you don't know what it is IDIOT".
But i do! =D

 

[Shinobi Train]

So, I tried to make this thread some time in the past, but it got completely rejected. I care to have a wider range of opinions on this one rather this rather than religious flaming on the other one >.>..

How come humans have such complex brains? It may seem a little bit silly but think about it seriously for a minute.

From an evolutionist point of view: What were the ancestors of humans doing that caused them to develop such minds capable of so much.. Like, how come other animals didn't go down the same route, what do you think we were doing differently from the other animals that made us have such intelligence? How come we can dictate our morals and beliefs? Why do we have so many things we classify as 'human nature'.. Why are we so greedy and needy? It's just something I couldn't grasp my head around, you know? What on earth (ba dum tsst, no?) were we doing that allowed us to evolve and develop these needs and emotions and etc..

From a Biblical point of view: Why did God give us so much? He knew we would sin, so why did he give us emotions such as lust and greed if he knew we would sin? A test? To get in Heaven? It seems silly no offense. I just don't like the concept that it's a "competition of self control" to get into heaven and see God. We don't even have control over the things we do because God controls our actions, so God is just picking his favourites? Or at random? How come God gave us the knowledge and the potential to be able to take away the things that make him Godly. For example, we're sending people into space, landing on new planets. We're making fully functional life on our own via cloning.. Why would God do such a thing? Why humans?

I'm ranting beyond belief. I've probably repeated a lot of things a lot of times :3. Sorry if I sound a bit crazy.

Well done, smartest thing I've seen for a while. For some reason I can't seem to make people see the other side of things, I'm so happy that for once someone realizes that people actually have different opinions...

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OT: I cannot answer for evolution, though I have studied it extensively in certain areas. I don't know this one though.

As far as a Creator is concerned, that's easy. See what people don't under stand is that He wants true companionship, that's why all this is happening. Sure, he can create a thousand beings and have them all loyally serve him, but it's not the same as it would be if they did it out of love.

You might not like the answer being that it's all a test to see if we can obey (key word is obey, unlike certain religious beliefs that say you don't have to obey the law anymore). However, you might be happier with the reason behind said test. Imagine being supreme, but being incredibly lonely; you'd want some company that's for real. You can't trust just anyone though, so you design an elaborate proving ground...

Divine intervention because we havent been around long enough to develop so much so quickly and no im not referring to God or W/E but someone or something helped us along

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I couldn't help myself. xd

 

[Downforwardx]

-_-.. I'm saying, what were we doing that made us evolve to the point we are at today? what were we doing that we got such complex minds.

Evolution allows for living things to change over long periods of time. These changes are more or less always leading in a direction which would allow the living thing to survive and strive better in it's environment. Adapting to it's surroundings. Our "ancestors" at some point in time needed to change and adapted. Instead of getting claws, a beak, a horn, scales, or spiky skin our almost "subconscious" mind of our cells ( or the on going act of evolution ) felt the need to develop our minds growing and gaining basic skills. A lot of things are playing a part in going that direction as well. Perhaps having thumbs, or having legs and arms allowing us to stand. It's not a simple process. If after a long period of trying to develop the brain did not help in surviving, evolution would have taken another direction. But investing in the brain turned out to be just about the best thing possible for our species.

You may say that the jump of %1 of dna from the great apes is like the holly grail of evolution.

 

[Avani]

Spoiler

So, I tried to make this thread some time in the past, but it got completely rejected. I care to have a wider range of opinions on this one rather this rather than religious flaming on the other one >.>..

How come humans have such complex brains? It may seem a little bit silly but think about it seriously for a minute.

From an evolutionist point of view: What were the ancestors of humans doing that caused them to develop such minds capable of so much.. Like, how come other animals didn't go down the same route, what do you think we were doing differently from the other animals that made us have such intelligence? How come we can dictate our morals and beliefs? Why do we have so many things we classify as 'human nature'.. Why are we so greedy and needy? It's just something I couldn't grasp my head around, you know? What on earth (ba dum tsst, no?) were we doing that allowed us to evolve and develop these needs and emotions and etc..

From a Biblical point of view: Why did God give us so much? He knew we would sin, so why did he give us emotions such as lust and greed if he knew we would sin? A test? To get in Heaven? It seems silly no offense. I just don't like the concept that it's a "competition of self control" to get into heaven and see God. We don't even have control over the things we do because God controls our actions, so God is just picking his favourites? Or at random? How come God gave us the knowledge and the potential to be able to take away the things that make him Godly. For example, we're sending people into space, landing on new planets. We're making fully functional life on our own via cloning.. Why would God do such a thing? Why humans?

I'm ranting beyond belief. I've probably repeated a lot of things a lot of times :3. Sorry if I sound a bit crazy.

[EDIT] I'm not going to pretend I know every concept from each side of the discussion, hell.. I could be completely wrong with a section and I don't even know it. That's why you're here, to help enlighten me on the subject and give me your facts/opinions.

I hope you don't mind me saying this but, you really need to rearrange your thoughts and be more clear what you exactly you are asking or want to discuss.

Are you asking what explanation we are going to chose, religious one or scietntific ones? or Did you want to get a random philosophical perspective or something? Usually your posts are better that this.

 

[Shinobi Train]

[/SPOILER]

I hope you don't mind me saying this but, you really need to rearrange your thoughts and be more clear what you exactly you are asking or want to discuss.

Are you asking what explanation we are going to chose, religious one or scietntific ones? or Did you wanted to get a random philosophical perspective or something?

Yeah, I've noticed that he sometimes leaves it wide open like that. I think what Pavoneo is wanting to discuss is how it came to be that our minds are so complex...and that's it, with all that it can encompass. Focused mostly on the why or what caused it to be.

However, obviously Mr. Pavoneo is extremely intelligent and chose to include and take into consideration both atheistic and theistic views.

 

[Ashflura]

Difference between animals and humans, is that we were created with 'reason'. The ability to question things and find our way around them, which would explain the vast array of technology and advancement our blessed minds have created.

The simple need to have dinner prepared faster due to our busier lifestyles is the invention of frozen dinners and pre-prepared functional foods.

The questioning of the Church, resulted in the curiosity of what was outside the wall of Church. Scientists experimented with the laws of the Earth. The study of electricity, gravity, air, etc. lead to our current modern world today.

From an evolutionist point of view...can't answer that one. Since I believe humans were created separately to the mechanism of animals, our bodies are created from dirt and we return to dirt. The only exception is that humans were put on Earth under a test.

How come we can dictate our morals and beliefs? Why do we have so many things we classify as 'human nature'.. Why are we so greedy and needy? It's just something I couldn't grasp my head around, you know? What on earth (ba dum tsst, no?) were we doing that allowed us to evolve and develop these needs and emotions and etc..

Everyone will have a say on their morals and beliefs, because it is either the society they have grown up in, personal experience or social influnece. The human conscious is a natural judgement installed in humans to decide whether something is bad or good, the reason you sometimes guilt or shame for your actions.

A text from God, was given to us so everyone could follow one moral and belief system. It avoids confusion, it avoids confliction, and it avoids us having that shameful and guilty feeling of something wrong. But as humans, we are prone and open to mistakes and no one can deny it. We are not perfect. Our mission is to strive and never give up for what's good.

Why are we so needy and greedy? Well we're humans, people are easily swayed by influence. We're generally needy, because we're all stuck in the same boat for survival, wanting to top over the other. It's through self-sacrifice that one can control those needs or wants and and overcome greediness. The difference between a traveller enjoying and seeking the world's beauty, wanting to gain knowledge and a billionaire CEO under constant stress due to the worry and panic of his business going corrupt in an unstable economy. We need positive influence, and a reminder of what our bodies are missing out on.

What on earth (ba dum tsst, no?) were we doing that allowed us to evolve and develop these needs and emotions and etc..

We are beings with the ability to evolve and grow, mindfully and spiritually.

If you don't believe we evolved from creatures that don't have the same understanding and reason as ours it's quite an easy question to answer. But its up to an individual what will satisfy them. And your questioning is seeking that answer as to why we're here. I want to know, are you questioning the evolution system itself? Or that it doesn't answer the questions you specifically want?

I personally believe evolution does exist, but only amongst sub-species of animals.

What on 'earth' were we doing? We weren't exactly doing anything that was different to the emotions and needs that people needed thousands of years back. People still seek knowledge and self-satisfaction, people like Buddha, Gandhi, Annie Besant, Edward Gibbon, Isaac Newton, you, me, and anyone willing to learn more.

There are needs for individual survival, and needs to attend to the next generation. Personal needs such as food, water, shelter, warmth, air, are natural instinctive traits that can be found amongst animals as well.

Our want for knowledge and self-satisfaction is what separates us. Thanks to God (I say). Our minds need nourishment, acting like animals all day...would be pretty silly. We naturally know that we have more on our plates than any animal right?

From a Biblical point of view: Why did God give us so much? He knew we would sin, so why did he give us emotions such as lust and greed if he knew we would sin? A test? To get in Heaven? It seems silly no offense. I just don't like the concept that it's a "competition of self control" to get into heaven and see God. We don't even have control over the things we do because God controls our actions, so God is just picking his favourites? Or at random? How come God gave us the knowledge and the potential to be able to take away the things that make him Godly. For example, we're sending people into space, landing on new planets. We're making fully functional life on our own via cloning.. Why would God do such a thing? Why humans?

I am Muslim, and although there are shared principles, most of the Testament, New and Old contradict one another. So I will explain from a Muslim's point of view.

To answer your question. Free will. It may feel like you have no control over your actions, like someone brought up once, that we can't control our subconscious and other stuff, but we can train our bodies and force ourselves to be the best we can be. It is very easy for a non-knowledgeable person to be satisfied by lying on their bed all their, and slave away their days to laziness, but eventually they will become bored of even being lazy, and set on a journey to seek something. When? Who knows? God knows. Ordering someone to do something most of the time only provokes stubbornness and thus an individual will force their bodies to listen to whatever will make them disobey the commander.

Advising, informing or laying out the material for someone to make a change, will guarantee, that when a person does come round, they've done it out of their natural and gratifying intentions, and we'll grow to thank you and acknowledge you for your help.

This philosophy can be reflected in the way one might contradict God's existence. We were given a text to bring about the best way a person can live their life. But without being advised or informed about it, the knowledge is unattainable and thus we continue and follow our primal instincts, to follow the crowd. We don't like loneliness.

Putting the material for someone where they have access, will guarantee that one day they will get to it and give it a read. Like when you have an assignment due date coming, you will get to the point where you will have to read it and complete it if you want to complete school and survive in the outside world. The level the person submits the assignment on, is up to the individual and how their life is fated, and what their wants are.

Forcing an assignment, a chore, etc on anyone that has not understood why they are doing it will come to question it or rebelling against it. Which is why in Islam it states 'There is no compulsion in religion'. That when a person does want to come to accept something, it will be out of their own want for self-satisfaction, and not because someone forced them. That is the only way that will ensure someone has 100% performed an action, through their control. Free will.

Mistakes can be forgiven, but its the struggle and strive to do what's good that reaches God. You are quite a logical man, and like I've said in the past, I think you're the person that brings the best discussions to the plate, by giving a fair view of sides, with a mention of your opinion, but not allowing it to conclude your final judgement. I like you.

How come God gave us the knowledge and the potential to be able to take away the things that make him Godly. For example, we're sending people into space, landing on new planets. We're making fully functional life on our own via cloning.. Why would God do such a thing? Why humans?

Because he can. He is testing us, allowing us to explore the brain's amazing capability through the resources of the world he has created. There is nothing bad with sending people to space, it's done good. It's allowed us to confirm, that the world is round. That there are other possible planets we can set foot on. What the weather will be like tomorrow etc. Its the intention and waste of money that can send it backtracking. Billions is spent crafting rockets to look for life on other planets, when sustainability hasn't been achieved on our own. Its valuing your options that makes it a test.

Is it more logical to choose a banana enriched with potassium and B vitamins than a preserved cheesburger, that will be of no benefit to your body?

We can clone, only because God has allowed us the ability to. What we do with it though, becomes the judgement. Are we going to use it to diminish people's opinions of whether God exists or not? That Humanity is the most righteous? Or are we using the study to help humanity. Like biotechnology, the cloning of organs to help a person live.

Why humans? No one can understand the mind of the Creator. We can only understand what our minds have allowed us.

 

[Avani]

Difference between animals and humans, is that we were created with 'reason'. The ability to question things and find our way around them, which would explain the vast array of technology and advancement our blessed minds have created.

Humans are not only species with ability of reasoning. It is just a matter of degree of complexity.

 

[Grim]

If you are so interested in that.... take a look :3

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

i like this thread alot coz i respect people who wonder and think , and am also too lazy to write so il make this short xd, il assume that you believe in god and you just like to think about this stuff. humans are the same since the beginning of time, and if you think that we were more simple and evolved beyond other creatures then you should be thankful instead of wondering why xd. god gave us so much as a test (like you said) also made the wrong so attractive to you as a part of the test so you can't say its silly coz other people have chosen that path and succeeded (they are not super human they just have the will) so you wont die if you didn't do the wrong. when you think of god as the divine and wise creater, why do you think that as a human you can comprehend god's wisdom and the way he created the universe ?? U_U also you said that that god made us able to take away what makes him godly like sending people to space (hmmm ... what?) and cloning ?? think of it this way god created us and the universe out of nothing (think of the origin deeply) and no one can create something out of nothing, do you get it ?? cloning is not creating its manipulating something that already existed. BUT EXCELLENT THREAD +rep
also about god controlling you, if in your mind you choose to do something and you go a head and do it then you have free will, god knows what you are going to do but how does he know is beyond our comprehension so don't over think it coz you will get nowhere

 

[North Kai]

crocodiles got killing teeth and strong jaws
birds evolved wings and hollow bones
some animals got strength
some speed
some evolved some other abillity that would allow them to survive
we adapt to our surroundings most other creatures didnt need larger brains we did

we got brains that evolved through time, so I guess we were lucky as far as evolution goes

its all evolution and I suppose you know what it says so instead of writing a wall of text im gonna do this> ...

 

[Pavoneo]

[/SPOILER]

I hope you don't mind me saying this but, you really need to rearrange your thoughts and be more clear what you exactly you are asking or want to discuss.

Are you asking what explanation we are going to chose, religious one or scietntific ones? or Did you want to get a random philosophical perspective or something? Usually your posts are better that this.

Mmm, let me try to reword my question.

Why do we have such complex minds? That's the question I'm asking. Although, answers such as "Because God wanted to give us complex minds" or "It's all just a part of evolution" isn't the answer I'm looking for. That's merely scratching the surface. I want to try to understand why God gave us these complex minds, or what our ancestors were exactly doing that made us evolve with such complex minds.

Sure, we don't know the answer for sure. And perhaps we never will, but it couldn't hurt to ponder the question for more than a few minutes and come up with a seriously plausible answer just for maybe self satisfaction, or because.. Why not?

Spoiler

Difference between animals and humans, is that we were created with 'reason'. The ability to question things and find our way around them, which would explain the vast array of technology and advancement our blessed minds have created.

The simple need to have dinner prepared faster due to our busier lifestyles is the invention of frozen dinners and pre-prepared functional foods.

The questioning of the Church, resulted in the curiosity of what was outside the wall of Church. Scientists experimented with the laws of the Earth. The study of electricity, gravity, air, etc. lead to our current modern world today.

From an evolutionist point of view...can't answer that one. Since I believe humans were created separately to the mechanism of animals, our bodies are created from dirt and we return to dirt. The only exception is that humans were put on Earth under a test.


Everyone will have a say on their morals and beliefs, because it is either the society they have grown up in, personal experience or social influnece. The human conscious is a natural judgement installed in humans to decide whether something is bad or good, the reason you sometimes guilt or shame for your actions.

A text from God, was given to us so everyone could follow one moral and belief system. It avoids confusion, it avoids confliction, and it avoids us having that shameful and guilty feeling of something wrong. But as humans, we are prone and open to mistakes and no one can deny it. We are not perfect. Our mission is to strive and never give up for what's good.

Why are we so needy and greedy? Well we're humans, people are easily swayed by influence. We're generally needy, because we're all stuck in the same boat for survival, wanting to top over the other. It's through self-sacrifice that one can control those needs or wants and and overcome greediness. The difference between a traveller enjoying and seeking the world's beauty, wanting to gain knowledge and a billionaire CEO under constant stress due to the worry and panic of his business going corrupt in an unstable economy. We need positive influence, and a reminder of what our bodies are missing out on.

What on earth (ba dum tsst, no?) were we doing that allowed us to evolve and develop these needs and emotions and etc..

We are beings with the ability to evolve and grow, mindfully and spiritually.

If you don't believe we evolved from creatures that don't have the same understanding and reason as ours it's quite an easy question to answer. But its up to an individual what will satisfy them. And your questioning is seeking that answer as to why we're here. I want to know, are you questioning the evolution system itself? Or that it doesn't answer the questions you specifically want?

I personally believe evolution does exist, but only amongst sub-species of animals.

What on 'earth' were we doing? We weren't exactly doing anything that was different to the emotions and needs that people needed thousands of years back. People still seek knowledge and self-satisfaction, people like Buddha, Gandhi, Annie Besant, Edward Gibbon, Isaac Newton, you, me, and anyone willing to learn more.

There are needs for individual survival, and needs to attend to the next generation. Personal needs such as food, water, shelter, warmth, air, are natural instinctive traits that can be found amongst animals as well.

Our want for knowledge and self-satisfaction is what separates us. Thanks to God (I say). Our minds need nourishment, acting like animals all day...would be pretty silly. We naturally know that we have more on our plates than any animal right?



I am Muslim, and although there are shared principles, most of the Testament, New and Old contradict one another. So I will explain from a Muslim's point of view.

To answer your question. Free will. It may feel like you have no control over your actions, like someone brought up once, that we can't control our subconscious and other stuff, but we can train our bodies and force ourselves to be the best we can be. It is very easy for a non-knowledgeable person to be satisfied by lying on their bed all their, and slave away their days to laziness, but eventually they will become bored of even being lazy, and set on a journey to seek something. When? Who knows? God knows. Ordering someone to do something most of the time only provokes stubbornness and thus an individual will force their bodies to listen to whatever will make them disobey the commander.

Advising, informing or laying out the material for someone to make a change, will guarantee, that when a person does come round, they've done it out of their natural and gratifying intentions, and we'll grow to thank you and acknowledge you for your help.

This philosophy can be reflected in the way one might contradict God's existence. We were given a text to bring about the best way a person can live their life. But without being advised or informed about it, the knowledge is unattainable and thus we continue and follow our primal instincts, to follow the crowd. We don't like loneliness.

Putting the material for someone where they have access, will guarantee that one day they will get to it and give it a read. Like when you have an assignment due date coming, you will get to the point where you will have to read it and complete it if you want to complete school and survive in the outside world. The level the person submits the assignment on, is up to the individual and how their life is fated, and what their wants are.

Forcing an assignment, a chore, etc on anyone that has not understood why they are doing it will come to question it or rebelling against it. Which is why in Islam it states 'There is no compulsion in religion'. That when a person does want to come to accept something, it will be out of their own want for self-satisfaction, and not because someone forced them. That is the only way that will ensure someone has 100% performed an action, through their control. Free will.

Mistakes can be forgiven, but its the struggle and strive to do what's good that reaches God. You are quite a logical man, and like I've said in the past, I think you're the person that brings the best discussions to the plate, by giving a fair view of sides, with a mention of your opinion, but not allowing it to conclude your final judgement. I like you.



Because he can. He is testing us, allowing us to explore the brain's amazing capability through the resources of the world he has created. There is nothing bad with sending people to space, it's done good. It's allowed us to confirm, that the world is round. That there are other possible planets we can set foot on. What the weather will be like tomorrow etc. Its the intention and waste of money that can send it backtracking. Billions is spent crafting rockets to look for life on other planets, when sustainability hasn't been achieved on our own. Its valuing your options that makes it a test.

Is it more logical to choose a banana enriched with potassium and B vitamins than a preserved cheesburger, that will be of no benefit to your body?

We can clone, only because God has allowed us the ability to. What we do with it though, becomes the judgement. Are we going to use it to diminish people's opinions of whether God exists or not? That Humanity is the most righteous? Or are we using the study to help humanity. Like biotechnology, the cloning of organs to help a person live.

Why humans? No one can understand the mind of the Creator. We can only understand what our minds have allowed us.

Umm, wow to say the least o.o.. +rep :3
@bold I'm not trying to per say contradict evolution, but it just sometimes leaves blank spots that I'm curious to know about because the small blank spots that it leaves in my mind can potentially make the entire evolution theory collapse (my "belief" of it anyway).
I'm not some 30 year old man who's spent his life looking for the answers to all of his questions, I'm 16 year old boy who has a mind that questions maybe one too many things and wants an answer no matter what it is and I go about that the most comfortable way possible. Talking about it on the internet with strangers. Hmm, funny when I think about it^^.

crocodiles got killing teeth and strong jaws
birds evolved wings and hollow bones
some animals got strength
some speed
some evolved some other abillity that would allow them to survive
we adapt to our surroundings most other creatures didnt need larger brains we did

we got brains that evolved through time, so I guess we were lucky as far as evolution goes

its all evolution and I suppose you know what it says so instead of writing a wall of text im gonna do this> ...

I'm pretty sure in evolution there isn't a "luck" factor. More or less a Cause & Effect factor. What our ancestors did in the past could most likely directly correlate to why our brains are so complex. Think about all the things our brain has to offer. As I've said in the OP, morality, reasoning, curiosity, so on and so forth. Hell, we can see in colour. Colours make up less than 1% of the electromagnetic spectrum, yet we're in that one percent. And we hear less than 1% of the acoustic spectrum. Yet we still just hear so many different types of sounds, it's hard to even fathom others. So many things are happening that we either don't realize or that we take for granted. So many things about our bodies are so complex that it sometimes seems less likely that evolution was the result. I'm not trying to say evolution is wrong, but I'm not saying it's right. I've just been thinking lately and I'm more or less just in the middle of trusting evolution and not trusting evolution..

 

[Ashflura]

Umm, wow to say the least o.o.. +rep :3
@bold I'm not trying to per say contradict evolution, but it just sometimes leaves blank spots that I'm curious to know about because the small blank spots that it leaves in my mind can potentially make the entire evolution theory collapse (my "belief" of it anyway).
I'm not some 30 year old man who's spent his life looking for the answers to all of his questions, I'm 16 year old boy who has a mind that questions maybe one too many things and wants an answer no matter what it is and I go about that the most comfortable way possible. Talking about it on the internet with strangers. Hmm, funny when I think about it^^.

Sorry for the wall of text, got carried away, when I should have been working on an article.
On topic:
Is it because there's still things in the theory left to be discovered...Or that, being an evolutionist possibly isn't the only way you want to see things. I believe in evolution, but it isn't my way of life. It's one of those topics that if left alone won't effect humanity, unless you are a soul believer in Darwinism or Richard Dawkins. People can find answers to almost everything they see, but there will always be that lack of contentment when they don't know what's beyond the physical barrier.

Anyone can tell you, you know a lot, but are the places your asking for answers the most helpful? I wonder if what you're feeling is more or less a lack of contentment. You want more of an assurance, that the path your taking, the asking of mindful questions, will gradually get you that self-satisfaction. The best words of advice that I could offer to a 16 year old from a 17 year old is to keep feeding yourself beneficial knowledge. Not only history and scientific scopes, but spiritual paths as well. Who knows? You might stumble on something that you'll like. Something that could improve humanity, rather than a argument that never ends. Set yourself goals, to achieve a balance between mind and body.

I don't know what I can do for you, other than answering your questions to the best of my ability with the help of Allah.

So many things are happening that we either don't realize or that we take for granted. So many things about our bodies are so complex that it sometimes seems less likely that evolution was the result. I'm not trying to say evolution is wrong, but I'm not saying it's right. I've just been thinking lately and I'm more or less just in the middle of trusting evolution and not trusting evolution..

You're right, we do take a lot of things for granted. I watched a lecture today on the human mind and ego and was blown away, everything think me like a nail and hammer.

Why not trust evolution, but don't make it the thing that defines you and your beliefs.

 

[Pavoneo]

Sorry for the wall of text, got carried away, when I should have been working on an article.
On topic:
Is it because there's still things in the theory left to be discovered...Or that, being an evolutionist possibly isn't the only way you want to see things. I believe in evolution, but it isn't my way of life. It's one of those topics that if left alone won't effect humanity, unless you are a soul believer in Darwinism or Richard Dawkins. People can find answers to almost everything they see, but there will always be that lack of contentment when they don't know what's beyond the physical barrier.

Anyone can tell you, you know a lot, but are the places your asking for answers the most helpful? I wonder if what you're feeling is more or less a lack of contentment. You want more of an assurance, that the path your taking, the asking of mindful questions, will gradually get you that self-satisfaction. The best words of advice that I could offer to a 16 year old from a 17 year old is to keep feeding yourself beneficial knowledge. Not only history and scientific scopes, but spiritual paths as well. Who knows? You might stumble on something that you'll like. Something that could improve humanity, rather than a argument that never ends. Set yourself goals, to achieve a balance between mind and body.

I don't know what I can do for you, other than answering your questions to the best of my ability with the help of Allah.


You're right, we do take a lot of things for granted. I watched a lecture today on the human mind and ego and was blown away, everything think me like a nail and hammer.

Why not trust evolution, but don't make it the thing that defines you and your beliefs.

Ughh, you're making me so conflicted right now, especially the bolded part. Alright, this isn't going to be fun to say but..

There's a 50/50 reason as to why I post my questions here, on a naruto forum. One reason is the fact that I'm familiar with the people, rules, etc. etc. It feels a bit more homely and I'm more prone to expressing my emotions much more than if I asked my questions to per say, a science forum or a teacher. Just because well, we're not here to be professional or intelligent. But we're here to have a good time, so saying what I really want to say on a personal level in a personal place is easier to do rather than saying a personal thing in a professional place. (Weird wording, hopefully you understand what I'm getting at)

The other reason is something I post things like this here is well, a reason I don't like to say.. It's not something I think about consciously, but it's more subconscious. I feel more or less.. Ergh, superior. That's not a good word ._. but it's accurate. When people come here for leisure and naruto discussion and see threads that really get you thinking, some people tend to praise the original poster (me) for thinking about such a thing and addressing the matter. It subconsciously makes me feel as if I'm "better" than a person for thinking in such a "high" level. Obviously in reality this is all wrong, I'm not better than someone for thinking differently, nor does it mean I'm smarter than them for making a thread about it. It's just to raise my ego so it doesn't get bruised as easily when someone insults me. ... Ughh, I can't word this well without sounding like a bad person, well.. It's a bad thing so sounding like a bad person is a given. :| Hope you don't lose respect for me.
I just spent 30 minutes writing that because it was so difficult to say >.<

 

[Ashflura]

Ughh, you're making me so conflicted right now, especially the bolded part. Alright, this isn't going to be fun to say but..

There's a 50/50 reason as to why I post my questions here, on a naruto forum. One reason is the fact that I'm familiar with the people, rules, etc. etc. It feels a bit more homely and I'm more prone to expressing my emotions much more than if I asked my questions to per say, a science forum or a teacher. Just because well, we're not here to be professional or intelligent. But we're here to have a good time, so saying what I really want to say on a personal level in a personal place is easier to do rather than saying a personal thing in a professional place. (Weird wording, hopefully you understand what I'm getting at)

The other reason is something I post things like this here is well, a reason I don't like to say.. It's not something I think about consciously, but it's more subconscious. I feel more or less.. Ergh, superior. That's not a good word ._. but it's accurate. When people come here for leisure and naruto discussion and see threads that really get you thinking, some people tend to praise the original poster (me) for thinking about such a thing and addressing the matter. It subconsciously makes me feel as if I'm "better" than a person for thinking in such a "high" level. Obviously in reality this is all wrong, I'm not better than someone for thinking differently, nor does it mean I'm smarter than them for making a thread about it. It's just to raise my ego so it doesn't get bruised as easily when someone insults me. ... Ughh, I can't word this well without sounding like a bad person, well.. It's a bad thing so sounding like a bad person is a given. :| Hope you don't lose respect for me.
I just spent 30 minutes writing that because it was so difficult to say >.<

I'm sorry for making you feel conflicted. It's kind of scary the coincidence, I'll send you a PM to explain why.