Madara said ''I awakened these shortly before I died'' and this made me come up with a conclusion. Near death experience is needed to awaken rinnegans. Also there's a simple reason why Madara wanted to implant them into Nagato's eyes. Only he was able to use rinne tensei because of his high chakra reserves and lifeforce that he inherited as an Uzumaki. But you see, Madara needs a comrade here who would have given the eyes to Nagato, keep eye on him, influence him to create the akatsuki and gather the tailed beasts.
Timeline EXPLANATION
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Meowazziel
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For Madara to implant his eyes he would of had to live roughly another 40 years after the fight with Hashirama, he is young as an edo and just like everyone else he was revived the same age as his death. Also wouldn't Madara have to swap eyes with Nagato to implant them? And why has Nagato not mentioned once that he was given he eyes? I don't think he was literately given Madara's eyes but was at least helped to unlock them. Being an Uchiha isn't the only way to unlock the rinnengan or the sage would have never had them and for all we know the Uzumaki can be a combination of Uchiha and Senju dna.
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And how do you explain Yagura and Tobi? I think the only way this all makes sense is if there are two Tobis working together-ish. One was Madara, long hair and bent on the destruction of his clan and Konoha, and the other is Obito, spiky hair and bent on creating peace through the Moon's Eye Plan. Every action by long-haired Tobi is in vengeance. Every action by spiky-hair Tobi is to further the Moon's Eye Plan. Can you find an example where that's not the case?
1) Madara had Hashirama's cells, which grants you very long life
2) No, Kabuto said that he modified Madara's body
3) There's a thing called genjutsu AKA illusion
4) Uchihas inherited the Sage's eyes, Kabuto said that when you progress beyond the sharingan you get the rinnegan + Madara indeed said that HE awakened them
1. I'm not doubting he could live that long. He would only be 40 years older and he was fairly young.
2. I thought Kabuto's modifications were the Hashirama face on his chest. Just like Orochimaru helped implant Hashirama's cells on Danzo's arm.
3. Madara would of had to be around Nagato all the time for him to be under genjutsu like how Tobi was around the Mizukage. What about all the other people around Nagato?
4. I know Madara awakened it but that may not be the only way to awaken it that can be how an Uchiha can awaken rinnengan. We don't know the Uzumaki's relationship to the senju and more importantly the so6p's.
There just isn't enough information for me to say that Madara's eyes are Nagato's.
Bloodytaste
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lol Near death eperience, is there said u need to die? And who could occure this to madara? I do not believe he just killed himself to death only to get the Rinnegan.
No as said before there is not valid information or proof to think that madaras eyes are Nagatos, we do not even know the relation between nagato and Madara. But we now that there must be a relation between Obito and Madara, and if not someone went into Obitos body which i really doubt, cuz it won't make any sense to take over a young weak uchiha, while they were much more better hosts around. So if Obito and Madara knew each other Timeline says, that Madara lived longer then nagatos first awakening of the Rinnegan, which logically means Madaras eyes arnt Nagatos.
And this is right now the most logically theory from the data we got~
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narutofreak1
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The bloody mist reign started during the second great ninja world war when the Sannin were in their late teens, early 20's.. Which was before Obito was born, it was right after Zabuza was 18 or so.. Was when the reign was nearing end since he tried to assassinate Yagura.
But Obito has to be older than Kakashi, or that would mean he is also a genius who graduated the academy at age 5. He is at least 4 years older than kakashi.
If you look in Narutopedia, Kakashi graduated at 5 while Obito graduated at 9.
Kakashi became chunin a year after & obito the year after that.
So since Kakashi was 15 the day of the kyuubi incident, Obito was 19.
But I still don't get how he gained such skill (to control kyuubi), master his sharingan, grow to hate Konoha & the Uchiha to such extent, and so on in the time period between his supposed death and the attack on Konoha.
But the biggest question I have is,
How did Minato, the fourth hokage, genius among geniuses, did not recognize his own student's chakra? As far as I know you can't change your chakra signature.
I will stand my ground that it is not Obito himself (in body & soul), until Kishi explains otherwise or gives us some BS story on how the guy who said 'those who leave their comrades behind are worse than scum' himself became worse than scum.
If you look in Narutopedia, Kakashi graduated at 5 while Obito graduated at 9.
Kakashi became chunin a year after & obito the year after that.
So since Kakashi was 15 the day of the kyuubi incident, Obito was 19.
But I still don't get how he gained such skill (to control kyuubi), master his sharingan, grow to hate Konoha & the Uchiha to such extent, and so on in the time period between his supposed death and the attack on Konoha.
But the biggest question I have is,
How did Minato, the fourth hokage, genius among geniuses, did not recognize his own student's chakra? As far as I know you can't change your chakra signature.
I will stand my ground that it is not Obito himself (in body & soul), until Kishi explains otherwise or gives us some BS story on how the guy who said 'those who leave their comrades behind are worse than scum' himself became worse than scum.
I'm not so sure about Minato becoming Hokage after the 3rd ninja war, if you remember the fight between the Raikage and Minato, Minato says that the next time they meet they will be putting the name of kage on the line...
Why would he put something he doesn't have on the line?
Will only answer last question as the others are alredy answered. Minato is not a sensor nor he doesnt have a dojutsu so it was imposible to recognize him. Obito is an Uchiha and like Sasuke he was a kind boy. But the Ucihas get sooner or later affected by the Curse of Hatred. It was most likely by Rins death (his love).
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I have a small objection about the control of the Mizukage. I think that Madara controlled the Miazukage not Tobi. The years of the bloody mist were more years in the past than just five that you guessed, because when Team Kakashi encounters Zabuza, we learn that he lived these years when he was a child, so the timeline doesn't fit there. BUT in the scene with the long-haired dark figure we never get to see the face, so he must be just Madara, not Tobi/Obito.