SM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke, Killer Bee, Kakuzu and Deidara

[Joki]

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So stupid :sy:

Base Naruto = only uses his own chakra
SM Naruto = uses his chakra combined with nature energy - senjutsu chakra
KM Naruto - uses limited amount of kyuubi chakra - can make clones of other modes.
Bm Naruto - uses full kyuubi chakra

Then there is different tailed versions of Naruto used in vs threads.

1 tail
4 tail
6 tail

Again Kurama has NOTHING to do with this fight. This is similar to making a thread about 3T Itachi vs Someone and taking feats from MS Itachi. And SM Naruto >>>>> Base Naruto thats the whole reason why he had to learn SM to "get stronger" and face pain - Base Naruto would have gotten wtf uber stomped. I can't believe you think base Naruto is stronger than SM Naruto.

In my scan he sitting on his ass while charging SM, you are blind as hell.

You know full well Naruto can't stomp, you are making up BS on the spot about how Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and kill the whole other team with rasengans. Then showing manga scans of Naruto using 1 FRS at a time LOL.

What is the point of posting evidence when a match is a complete stomp and there is a retard arguing that one character wins even though he has 0 chance. So I should go ahead and:

-Make thread
-Kakashi > Madara Kamui GG
-Post scan of Kamui
-Argue with everyone else how I am right and everyone else is wrong.
-Ask for scans how Madara will escape when Kamui insta warps him lololol

Not much different from what you do in this thread really

-SM Naruto > Sasuke Bee Kakuzu Deidara LOW DIFFICULTY
-Post scans of SM Naruto
-Argue with everyone how you are right and how everyone else is wrong
-Ask for scans of how other team wins when SM Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and throw 100 FRS and then do it again straight after lololol

:flaw:

"FRS WILL breach complete enton covered susanoo even though the two jutsu have never met and when fire > wind because I said so" - Joki

Thank god you would do everyone a big favour if you stop posting, no one likes extreme fanboys.

Yeah, thanks for continuing to reinforce my arguments. Kurama gave Base Naruto his chakra, your entire argument is invalid. Thanks for admitting you're wrong. You know you're basically arguing yourself to death right?

Yes because different opinions makes you a fanboy.

gyuki diverts away narutos bijudama with one of his own covered in enton and supported by susano arrow and kakuzus fuuton. deidara possesses a village buster and a explosive tech that blows people up at the cellular level. kakuzu has to die 5 times and theres only so many times naurto can use bijuudama and FRS.

in biju form. which isnt alllowed. SM runs out after two FRS.

frog kumite bounces off of susano more likely

since when is there FRS barrage in SM? he only did one or two on kurama and only one vs madara.

ok do NOT compare kabutos perfected SM which was augmenting his already powerful orochimaru body to narutos SM which is a boost to his piss poor base form.

again dont compare kabutos advanced SM and versatility to narutos one dimensional style

base kabuto > base naruto, thats why

he wouldnt want it since he has his liquid body form

yeah and kabuto has ET which is also one jutsu but also strongest in the show

when has naruto needed to stay in it forever? he settled kurama quickly. he settled third raikage quickly. in a drawn out battle he needs pre prepped clones like with pain

all yagata needs to do is divert FRS or make it blow up before it hits them. FRS did not take out third raikage or deva pain after all. bee tentacles can intercept it while kakuzu fuuton blows it back. it is a shuriken after all.

according to naruto he couldnt take sasuke with SM

bee and raikage disagree. they respected Sasukes ability to dodge their attacks

If you're going to respond to me, I'd appreciate if you actually read my prior posts, I'm not reiterating myself, everything here is countered, and everything you said was baseless and won't do anything to a mountain buster. I have no clue how you get away with saying that stuff without proof. Konohamaru can make 1 clone to jump in front of FRS to stop it too, prove me wrong son

 

[Nazgul]

If Kurama gives base Naruto chakra then he is not base Naruto anymore :sy:

Just like if base Naruto absorbs nature energy he is not base Naruto anymore...

Which means you can't say BASE Naruto > SM Naruto. What you are really saying is Naruto with kyuubi chakra > SM Naruto.

Why can't you understand such a simple concept :shrug:

I'll explain it further because you are that stupid....

Base Sasuke - CM2 Sasuke - MS Sasuke - EMS Sasuke

As soon as he activates a power up , MS / CM then he is no longer BASE Sasuke.


Which means if their is a thread "Base Naruto vs Neji" it means that Naruto can only use his own chakra. Kurama and Sage mode has NOTHING to do with it.

 

[Joki]

If Kurama gives base Naruto chakra then he is not base Naruto anymore :sy:

Just like if base Naruto absorbs nature energy he is not base Naruto anymore..

Why can't you understand such a simple concept :shrug:

I'll explain it further because you are that stupid....

Base Sasuke - CM2 Sasuke - MS Sasuke - EMS Sasuke

As soon as he activates a power up , MS / CM then he is no longer BASE Sasuke.

That's the whole point of "base" form, which means he can't use any other power ups.

Ok, I've never asked anyone this legitimately before, but are you retarded?

He already GAVE Base Naruto chakra before in BASE, this is the point, he is a damn perfect jinchuriki, your entire argument falls apart because you somehow think Kurama is unable to give his chakra without him going KM. I only ask if you are retarded because I'm forced to repeat myself over and over and you completely ignore the scans and on screen proof like they never happened. Damn son. Here are the scans, for the last damn time. Kurama easily gives a dying, exhausted clone with no chakra enough chakra to make hundreds of cho odama rasengan effortlessly. In base

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So? Where's KM in those scans, hmm? Sure looks like Base Naruto to me, so what was that about Kurama being unable to give Naruto chakra? Oh, and in case you weren't aware(you don't think Kurama has any relevance outside of KM and BM, so you're not aware), they're actually in cooperation now, Naruto can take all the chakra he wants.

Please stop posting that shit now, you proved me right again when I said "If you think Kurama can't give Naruto chakra, you obviously haven't read past the Pain Fight because this is current Naruto". Sighh

 

[Dantee]

Lmao Joki is a clown.

 

[Nazgul]

It ISNT base Naruto why don't you understand this? He is using KYUUBI CHAKRA.

KYUUBI CHAKRA =/= BASE NARUTO

Base Naruto uses HIS chakra and only his chakra.

 

[Joki]

Lmao Joki is a clown.

Thanks for the constructive criticism! I don't see how that's relevant to the debate at hand, but I'll be sure to take it into consideration.

While you're here, do you have anything that can help your (very needy) friends in the debate? From the looks if it they need it...oh, no? Ok.

It ISNT base Naruto why don't you understand this? He is using KYUUBI CHAKRA.

KYUUBI CHAKRA =/= BASE NARUTO

Base Naruto uses HIS chakra and only his chakra.

Uhh...wellp it's official

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[Nazgul]

Can't believe Joki still thinks this is a debate, it never was U_U. This is about trying to educate a total idiot / fanboy, which I admit is hard work............

 

[Dantee]

Thanks for the constructive criticism! I don't see how that's relevant to the debate at hand, but I'll be sure to take it into consideration.

While you're here, do you have anything that can help your (very needy) friends in the debate? From the looks if it they need it...oh, no? Ok.

Uhh...wellp it's official

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Joki you really think Rasengan barrage is going to take out these 4 opponents at once? Lmao!

Why would they even stand there and make contact. All of these opponents are fast enough to dodge.

Killer Bee can wipe that show clone barrage with one Bijuu Dama. Summons are taken care by Sasuke Entons realse easy. Diedara can't even be reached by Naruto who can just drop bombs on him. Kakuzu is well Kakuzu.

Sage mode doesn't even last long. Once he uses up all his nature energy he has to recharge and then hes vurnerable.

Stop the nonsense already.

 

[Nazgul]

You have yet to see his arguments about making 1000 SM clones and throwing 13 FRS at the same time. Not to mention Naruto can do this many times in one battle

Also Naruto can Recharge SM in 1 second. Kurama can give Naruto Chakra now too when the title says "SM Naruto".

And how FRS can destroy final enton covered susanoo...........


Just because Kurama can give Naruto chaka anytime does not mean that's part of base Narutos power. Like I said Sasuke can activate MS anytime he wants but that does not mean MS is part of base sasuke's power.............

 

[Joki]

Can't believe Joki still thinks this is a debate, it never was U_U. This is about trying to educate a total idiot / fanboy, which I admit is hard work............

Yeah, you're right, the idiot/fanboy is the one who supports all his arguments and uses evidence. The logical person is the one who ignores all the evidence that proves him wrong and refuses to post any form of support for his side whatsoever. I'd rather be the illogical fanboy in that case.

>shows multiple scans of Base Naruto and kurama cooperating
>BASE NARUTO ON PANEL GETTING KURAMAS CHAKRA
>nazgul
>denies it being Base Naruto
Ahhh, yes I've witnessed this before, the things people will resort to so they don't have to admit they're wrong. How saddening.

Joki you really think Rasengan barrage is going to take out these 4 opponents at once? Lmao!

Why would they even stand there and make contact. All of these opponents are fast enough to dodge.

Killer Bee can wipe that show clone barrage with one Bijuu Dama. Summons are taken care by Sasuke Entons realse easy. Diedara can't even be reached by Naruto who can just drop bombs on him. Kakuzu is well Kakuzu.

Sage mode doesn't even last long. Once he uses up all his nature energy he has to recharge and then hes vurnerable.

Stop the nonsense already.

Ok, I like you, you're actually being civil and logical about it, I'd like to keep it that way unlike everyone else who's just..yeah I think you get it. Good post man.

Anyway, yes I think it's quite difficult to avoid a giant wall of hundreds of car sized rasengan, it'd destroy any member of team 2 that it hit, even if they dodge it's not a one time thing so Naruto can throw more and more and more as much as he wants.

The problem with Bee is he'll kill the rest of his team with bijuu dama, and SM Naruto's speed should easily be enough to shunshin behind Bee before he shoots it and before it's fully charged. He's not restricted to standing still, plus 3 boss toads will be beating on Bee non stop he can't just casually charge and fire a bijuu dama or things won't end well.

Deidara can be reached, most ninja can jump extraordinarily high plus Naruto can achieve that hight with kawazu kumite by just clashing in taijutsu vs Fukasaku, it's not that difficulty especially with giant toad summons. I see no reasons Deidara would go high enough, he has no reason to go too high for Naruto to reach, and if he's too high for Naruto to reach well, it's pretty obvious Deidara can't hurt him either.

Deidara also doesn't start with a bird summoned 5000 meters in the air right? Right, he's susceptible to an early FRS just like the pain paths were, there's not really much he can do about it, and Naruto can throw it from long range or any range and Deidara has no answer.

Same with Kakuzu, he was fooled with a bunshin feint before, he's simply outclassed here, even if he dodged FRS or something he'd have to deal with a wave of clones who could just hit him with another FRS when his back is turned.

They're overwhelmed, it's far from 4 to 1, its more like 4-1000 and Naruto has nigh infinite chakra, is the perfect jinchuriki of the strongest bijuu. Again it's not my fault Naruto only fights the absolute strongest characters, maybe if he fodderized some weaker ones on panel you guys would be more accepting lol.

When people think of Naruto, the most prominent KB user who casually made 12 kage level KBs as "1 person" while fighting multiple people you probably won't come up with the best conclusion. Like people here earlier were trying to say stuff like "if Naruto engages in CQC" and treated their overall post like Naruto has no idea what a kage bunshin is.

Anyway I'd like to keep this civilized and intelligent unlike with other debates ITT that went nowhere, so I'm actually looking forward to your response sir.

 

[Nazgul]

Nice one Joki you completely ignore my previous post, too bad you cant counter it.

Just because Kurama can give Naruto chaka anytime does not mean that's part of base Narutos power. Like I said Sasuke can activate MS anytime he wants but that does not mean MS is part of base sasuke's power.

But it's too hard for Joki to understand.......................

Another example

Base Naruto can charge SM anytime he wants, does that mean SM Naruto is now Base Naruto too?

Bee can use Hachibi's chakra anytime but that is not Base bee - the one that uses 8 sword style, chakra pencils THAT'S base bee.

There is NO POINT in having a "base mode" if the characters can still use their power ups in it.

You really need to learn what "BASE" is. If you don't know what is "base" what is "SM" then there is no point in debating in VS threads because other people will be talking about something completely different.

Maybe that's the whole problem with you and this thread because you are talking about Naruto with access to full kyuubi chakra while everyone else is talking about Naruto who doesn't use kyuubi in anyway..........

Anyone else sees "Base Naruto" on a title they think about Naruto that fought vs Kakuzu. So there is no point in having your own definitions in a place where people debate about things.

When you said SM Naruto can beat these character low difficulty, everyone thinks you are talking about the "usual" SM Naruto so they instantly assume you are a troll.........

Thats why you should stick to the usual definitions then at least you will be debating about the things the OP wanted the thread to be about. The original thread for example

If I make a thread about Base Naruto vs Temari and Konkuro

By your definition this is an uber stomp, but your definition isnt what the OP is intending to be used. I can make a thread right now and show you.

 

[Joki]

Nice one Joki you completely ignore my previous post, too bad you cant counter it.

Just because Kurama can give Naruto chaka anytime does not mean that's part of base Narutos power. Like I said Sasuke can activate MS anytime he wants but that does not mean MS is part of base sasuke's power.

But it's too hard for Joki to understand.......................

Another example

Base Naruto can charge SM anytime he wants, does that mean SM Naruto is now Base Naruto too?

Bee can use Hachibi's chakra anytime but that is not Base bee - the one that uses 8 sword style, chakra pencils THAT'S base bee.

There is NO POINT in having a "base mode" if the characters can still use their power ups in it.

You really need to learn what "BASE" is. If you don't know what is "base" what is "SM" then there is no point in debating in VS threads because other people will be talking about something completely different.

Maybe that's the whole problem with you and this thread because you are talking about Naruto with access to full kyuubi chakra while everyone else is talking about Naruto who doesn't use kyuubi in anyway..........

Anyone else sees "Base Naruto" on a title they think about Naruto that fought vs Kakuzu. So there is no point in having your own definitions in a place where people debate about things.

When you said SM Naruto can beat these character low difficulty, everyone thinks you are talking about the "usual" SM Naruto so they instantly assume you are a troll.........

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[Dantee]

Ok, I like you, you're actually being civil and logical about it, I'd like to keep it that way unlike everyone else who's just..yeah I think you get it. Good post man.

Anyway, yes I think it's quite difficult to avoid a giant wall of hundreds of car sized rasengan, it'd destroy any member of team 2 that it hit, even if they dodge it's not a one time thing so Naruto can throw more and more and more as much as he wants.

The problem with Bee is he'll kill the rest of his team with bijuu dama, and SM Naruto's speed should easily be enough to shunshin behind Bee before he shoots it and before it's fully charged. He's not restricted to standing still, plus 3 boss toads will be beating on Bee non stop he can't just casually charge and fire a bijuu dama or things won't end well.

Deidara can be reached, most ninja can jump extraordinarily high plus Naruto can achieve that hight with kawazu kumite by just clashing in taijutsu vs Fukasaku, it's not that difficulty especially with giant toad summons. I see no reasons Deidara would go high enough, he has no reason to go too high for Naruto to reach, and if he's too high for Naruto to reach well, it's pretty obvious Deidara can't hurt him either.

Deidara also doesn't start with a bird summoned 5000 meters in the air right? Right, he's susceptible to an early FRS just like the pain paths were, there's not really much he can do about it, and Naruto can throw it from long range or any range and Deidara has no answer.

Same with Kakuzu, he was fooled with a bunshin feint before, he's simply outclassed here, even if he dodged FRS or something he'd have to deal with a wave of clones who could just hit him with another FRS when his back is turned.

They're overwhelmed, it's far from 4 to 1, its more like 4-1000 and Naruto has nigh infinite chakra, is the perfect jinchuriki of the strongest bijuu. Again it's not my fault Naruto only fights the absolute strongest characters, maybe if he fodderized some weaker ones on panel you guys would be more accepting lol.

When people think of Naruto, the most prominent KB user who casually made 12 kage level KBs as "1 person" while fighting multiple people you probably won't come up with the best conclusion. Like people here earlier were trying to say stuff like "if Naruto engages in CQC" and treated their overall post like Naruto has no idea what a kage bunshin is.

Anyway I'd like to keep this civilized and intelligent unlike with other debates ITT that went nowhere, so I'm actually looking forward to your response sir.

You say Diedara doesn't start in the air, but Naruto can start with summons released and sage mode already on? Diedara always summons his bird and takes airborne against ground opponents.

Naruto reaching Diedara? FRS is a slow attack when thrown and Naruto can't reach Diedara. It took Sasuke his Curse Mark which has wings and the combination of his sword and chidori which extends 5 meters to reach Diedara.

If the battle is to start fresh Naruto is already suspected to attacks. Everyone on this team is faster than his base speed. Especially Bee's lariat Sage mode takes prep. It's enough for this team to slaughter him.

Why would Bee blow a BijuuDama towards his own teamate than the enemy who is already infront of him? Whats to stop the team from going using their strongest attacks straight into Naruto. What else is stopping the team from just hiding behind the 8 tails.

You say he has infinite chakra with the Kyuubi, but there is a difference when it's only sage mode. Sage mode makes him balance the nature energy within his own chakra this causes even longer prep times if he plans on using the foxs chakra.

Naruto does not infinitely spam shadow clones like you assume. Once they've used up the chakra they disperse and Naruto is panting for breath as the team makes a counter attack.

 

[Joki]

You say Diedara doesn't start in the air, but Naruto can start with summons released and sage mode already on? Diedara always summons his bird and takes airborne against ground opponents.

It takes 1 handsign to do Yatai Kuzushi, and Naruto can summon the boss toads very easily. It takes less than a second to enter SM

Naruto reaching Diedara? FRS is a slow attack when thrown and Naruto can't reach Diedara. It took Sasuke his Curse Mark which has wings and the combination of his sword and chidori which extends 5 meters to reach Diedara.

Slow attack? It's one of the fastest jutsu in the series, it crossed the entire CT crater in 1 second and was too fast for Pain paths to react to.

If the battle is to start fresh Naruto is already suspected to attacks. Everyone on this team is faster than his base speed. Especially Bee's lariat Sage mode takes prep. It's enough for this team to slaughter him.

Bee transforming takes more prep than SM does, and Sasuke countered Bee because he was extremely linear and straightforward, sounds like a potentia victim to FRS

Why would Bee blow a BijuuDama towards his own teamate than the enemy who is already infront of him? Whats to stop the team from going using their strongest attacks straight into Naruto. What else is stopping the team from just hiding behind the 8 tails.

If they hide behind gyuki then absolutely nothing stops Naruto from following them. If he's in front of him he's not going to stand there like a dummy while Bee prepares a bijuu dama and shoots it in his face. Since when was Naruto restricted to being chained to the ground?

You say he has infinite chakra with the Kyuubi, but there is a difference when it's only sage mode. Sage mode makes him balance the nature energy within his own chakra this causes even longer prep times if he plans on using the foxs chakra.

That doesn't matter, what matters is he will never ever run out of chakra and team 2 will be outlasted.

Naruto does not infinitely spam shadow clones like you assume. Once they've used up the chakra they disperse and Naruto is panting for breath as the team makes a counter attack.

Really? Should I list yoyu the dozens and dozens of ridiculously chakra consuming techniques including hundreds and hundreds of kage bunshin that Naruto has done in this war already? He won't become exhausted after just a few hundred clones poofing, that's ridiculous.

Part 1 Naruto still didn't even show any signs of exhaustion after he let 1k clones poof away, and you expect the perfect jinchuriki with enough chakra to casually let 1 half dead base clone obliterate a mokuton forest with hundreds of cho odama rasengan to be exhausted after?

 

[Dantee]

It takes 1 handsign to do Yatai Kuzushi, and Naruto can summon the boss toads very easily. It takes less than a second to enter SM

Slow attack? It's one of the fastest jutsu in the series, it crossed the entire CT crater in 1 second and was too fast for Pain paths to react to.

Bee transforming takes more prep than SM does, and Sasuke countered Bee because he was extremely linear and straightforward, sounds like a potentia victim to FRSIf they hide behind gyuki then absolutely nothing stops Naruto from following them. If he's in front of him he's not going to stand there like a dummy while Bee prepares a bijuu dama and shoots it in his face. Since when was Naruto restricted to being chained to the ground?
That doesn't matter, what matters is he will never ever run out of chakra and team 2 will be outlasted.

Really? Should I list yoyu the dozens and dozens of ridiculously chakra consuming techniques including hundreds and hundreds of kage bunshin that Naruto has done in this war already? He won't become exhausted after just a few hundred clones poofing, that's ridiculous.

Part 1 Naruto still didn't even show any signs of exhaustion after he let 1k clones poof away, and you expect the perfect jinchuriki with enough chakra to casually let 1 half dead base clone obliterate a mokuton forest with hundreds of cho odama rasengan to be exhausted after?

There is a difference between BAse Naruto and Sage Mode. Sage mode takes up more chakra and FRS just adds to that toll. Sage Mode takes time to enter if he uses the Foxs chakra. He can't make nearly that many SAge Mode clones on his own. Naruto always shows signs of exhaustion after spamming many shadow clones. He has incredible stamina yes but he still gets tired.

So what if he can summon them easy this all takes time. While it's still 4 on 1 they will all be coming at him.

Summons aren't even a problem. ToadSummons = Zetsu's when it comes to Sasukes Susanoo.

Bee Bijuu Dama prep is fast.. where have you been. It took Sugestu to hold off Bee and Juggo's rockets to just barely dodge it.

FRS is still dodgeable, Diedara in the air won't have any problem or anyone else for that matter.


If anything a shadow clone barrage can be avoided by one of these characters. The fact you are insinuating a barrage of shadow clones will take out 4 top tier characters at once is ridiculous. I can't sit here and debate this anymore. You're allowed to think what you want.

 

[Joki]

There is a difference between BAse Naruto and Sage Mode. Sage mode takes up more chakra and FRS just adds to that toll. Sage Mode takes time to enter if he uses the Foxs chakra. He can't make nearly that many SAge Mode clones on his own. Naruto always shows signs of exhaustion after spamming many shadow clones. He has incredible stamina yes but he still gets tired.

He already did make that many shadow clones, and he also fought the entire VotE fight after sending a wave of 1000 clones at Kimimaro, he wasn't exhausted at all and that was weak Part 1 form with faaaaaaar less chakra.

So what if he can summon them easy this all takes time. While it's still 4 on 1 they will all be coming at him.

After the first one, a 200 ton toad smashes the field in front of Naruto, yeah methinks he gets a bit of time. They won't be able to hurt Naruto when any one of them can use a yatai kuzushi to summon a boss toad, how will anyone know whos who?

Summons aren't even a problem. ToadSummons = Zetsu's when it comes to Sasukes Susanoo.

No, Toad Summons = gigantic 200 ton beasts with swords water bullets and oil bullets, they're a bit stronger than Zetsu clones

Bee Bijuu Dama prep is fast.. where have you been. It took Sugestu to hold off Bee and Juggo's rockets to just barely dodge it.

It took a few seconds, it's more than enough for Naruto to dodge or move around him, and all of the clones will be surrounding Bee, if you think that Naruto will be ganged up by all 4 members like you claim why would Bee use a bijuu dama? He'd still kill his own team, otherwise while Bee preps bijuu dama and his team is behind him Naruto pulls a Minato and drops Gamabunta on Hachibi redirecting the blast, while hachibis down Naruto rapes him with FRS.

FRS is still dodgeable, Diedara in the air won't have any problem or anyone else for that matter.

And your support for their speed that suggest they can do that is...?

If anything a shadow clone barrage can be avoided by one of these characters. The fact you are insinuating a barrage of shadow clones will take out 4 top tier characters at once is ridiculous. I can't sit here and debate this anymore.

Your support that they can is?

Yeah, it might sound ridiculous when Naruto is constantly put up against top tiers like Nagato and Tobi, who are top tiers compared to everyone else, put him against these characters and he craps on them, the manga simply proves it, he's on a whole other level.

To be honest I don't think you're weighing in on all the facts. This battle isn't: "Naruto uses 1 cho odama barrage and then if team 2 counters the battle is over and Naruto loses"

You're allowed to think what you want.

I'm aware of that, which is why I don't care too much that a bunch of kids are flaming me and trying to discourage me from responding because they're afraid they can't counter lol

 

[Dantee]

He already did make that many shadow clones, and he also fought the entire VotE fight after sending a wave of 1000 clones at Kimimaro, he wasn't exhausted at all and that was weak Part 1 form with faaaaaaar less chakra.
After the first one, a 200 ton toad smashes the field in front of Naruto, yeah methinks he gets a bit of time. They won't be able to hurt Naruto when any one of them can use a yatai kuzushi to summon a boss toad, how will anyone know whos who?

No, Toad Summons = gigantic 200 ton beasts with swords water bullets and oil bullets, they're a bit stronger than Zetsu clones


It took a few seconds, it's more than enough for Naruto to dodge or move around him, and all of the clones will be surrounding Bee, if you think that Naruto will be ganged up by all 4 members like you claim why would Bee use a bijuu dama? He'd still kill his own team, otherwise while Bee preps bijuu dama and his team is behind him Naruto pulls a Minato and drops Gamabunta on Hachibi redirecting the blast, while hachibis down Naruto rapes him with FRS.

And your support for their speed that suggest they can do that is...?
Your support that they can is?

Yeah, it might sound ridiculous when Naruto is constantly put up against top tiers like Nagato and Tobi, who are top tiers compared to everyone else, put him against these characters and he craps on them, the manga simply proves it, he's on a whole other level.

To be honest I don't think you're weighing in on all the facts. This battle isn't: "Naruto uses 1 cho odama barrage and then if team 2 counters the battle is over and Naruto loses"

I'm aware of that, which is why I don't care too much that a bunch of kids are flaming me and trying to discourage me from responding because they're afraid they can't counter lol

Bee bijuu Dama Blast is fast enough to wipe out the whole army before Naruto can even surround him. Once Naruto uses up his clones in SAGE MODE he reverts back to base. Which anyone here can wipe the floor with him.

My support they can avoid a shadow clone barrage? Bee can tank it in 8 tails form or dodge in cloak form. Sasuke can tank Rasengans with Susanoo or can fly. Diedara can fly. Kakuzu is not slow either.

-You ignore what I said about Sage Mode taking time to enter with the Foxs charkra.


Naruto has two choices with SAge Mode and with either cases he can be blitzed easily.

Prep Sage mode with his chakra = limited to 3-5 clones. maybe get blitzed. Using the Foxs chakra= 100s of clones definetly get blitzed.



-You deny the fact Toads = fodder when it's Amaterasu and you assume Naruto can enter sage mode and then summon toads instantly after to help him.

 

[Joki]

Bee bijuu Dama Blast is fast enough to wipe out the whole army before Naruto can even surround him. Once Naruto uses up his clones in SAGE MODE he reverts back to base. Which anyone here can wipe the floor with him.

Just like when he surrounded Kimimaro the clones never surrounded him they appeared that way.

My support they can avoid a shadow clone barrage? Bee can tank it in 8 tails form or dodge in cloak form. Sasuke can tank Rasengans with Susanoo or can fly. Diedara can fly. Kakuzu is not slow either.

Yeah, exactly what I'm saying, I can say "Konohamaru throws a clone in front of him that tanks the blast of an FRS" but it doesn't make it true. I'm gonna need more than that, I can disprove all of that by saying "FRS and cho odama barrage hurt Kurama badly, how does 8 tails plan to survive even Ammy made him scream in agony", "Sasuke has never tanked an attack of such a level with his Susano'o", "Deidara doesn't have the speed to dodge FRSes either", "Kakuzu already failed to a bunshin feint before, in terms of Naruto he can't compare to an FRS and also gets vaporized".

-You ignore what I said about Sage Mode taking time to enter with the Foxs charkra.

Who needs SM then? According to the people who think it's a huge drawback and takes over 9000 years and he can't use any clones with it, Base Naruto is superior to SM Naruto apparently.

Naruto has two choices with SAge Mode and with either cases he can be blitzed easily.

SM Naruto blitzed easily? Please elaborate

Prep Sage mode with his chakra = limited to 3-5 clones. maybe get blitzed. Using the Foxs chakra= 100s of clones definetly get blitzed.

How would Naruto get blitzed in the middle of thousands of clones? Naruto kept up with deva pain in taijutsu in base easily, and contrary to popular belief if a character is 1 millimeter per second faster they don't effortlessly blitz thousands of clones.

-You deny the fact Toads = fodder when it's Amaterasu and you assume Naruto can enter sage mode and then summon toads instantly after to help him.

In that case they'd just cause even more destruction, if Sasuke uses amaterasu then the entire field would be covered and Bee Deidara and Kakuzu would burn to death then Naruto cleans up and finishes Sasuke off easy.

 

[Dantee]

I won't bother to reply with the above post obviously you overrate Naruto to much. YOu deny his weaknesses in Sage Mode such as prep time. You most likely think Base Naruto would do much better. For some reason you think Shadow Clone barrage rasengan would defeat anyone in the manga.

Ok Joki Base Naruto/Sage Naruto> EMS Sasuke/8 tails,Kakuzu and Deidara whatever. You're astounding ignorance has won you this debate.

 

[Joki]

I won't bother to reply with the above post obviously you overrate Naruto to much. YOu deny his weaknesses in Sage Mode such as prep time. You most likely think Base Naruto would do much better. For some reason you think Shadow Clone barrage rasengan would defeat anyone in the manga.

Ok Joki Base Naruto/Sage Naruto> EMS Sasuke/8 tails,Kakuzu and Deidara whatever. You're astounding ignorance has won you this debate.

I don't think Base would do much better, but according ot how you guys treat SM Naruto it seems you all think Base is far superior due to SM's drawbacks. Since this is my last post then I'm reminding you, this isn't Pain fight Naruto. At least I can get through to you since the others deny anything and everything that's actually proven, but unlike the SM Naruto from the pain fight, he got over those weaknesses by the end.

Yeah yeah concession accepted and all that. I was having fun with you, but I understand man. :I

At least you did much better than the others and was actually civil/fun/not a douche, so +rep lol