sm naruto vs killer b

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Unfortunately, I don't give a shit if you like it or not, it still happened. So because of plot, Naruto beat Kurama. Ok that's cool, that puts him above Kurama since he beat him. Everything is "plot", and everything that you don't like you can just say "lol plot" to invalidate it? Nice try bud.

Sasuke losing to Itachi in the hotel in part 1 was totally plot, that was such bullshit, Sasuke should have stomped him.

Calm down and think before you speak (or type in this case). As I've already said, Naruto's win over Kurama was important for the plot, you may or may not like it, but it's obvious. If Kurama had win over Naruto, storyline could not have continued. I don't think you actually realize what's plot and what's not.

Edit: Regarding Itachi and Sasuke, that wasn't plot. Sasuke just wasn't strong enough to beat him. Or even scratch him.
 
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Naruto never defeated nine tails, he seperated his chakra from his will which is not possible in the case. Nine tails was just knocked back from his jutsu, they never did any damage. Besides that battle was inside Naruto's head. Bee also was able to tank a TBB from Kurama while being in a very weak state.

Killer bee high difficulty. Inb4 Joki comes in with 1000SM clones and FRS................
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Nope, did no damage at all, lolool.
Calm down and think before you speak (or type in this case). As I've already said, Naruto's win over Kurama was important for the plot, you may or may not like it, but it's obvious. If Kurama had win over Naruto, storyline could not have continued. I don't think you actually realize what's plot and what's not.

Edit: Regarding Itachi and Sasuke, that wasn't plot. Sasuke just wasn't strong enough to beat him. Or even scratch him.

I don't care if it's obvious. It still happened, Naruto beat Kurama, he beat his ass, deal wit it.

Sorry man, it was totally plot, Sasuke would have kicked his ass but it was important to the plot that Itachi won, if he didn't win the rest of Sasuke's story of killing Itachi in the manga would be pointless. So chunin exam Sasuke obviously craps on Itachi. Can't prove me wrong? Didn't think so son.
 

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Killer b wins,kurama one shotted naruto 2 mins into the fight,and killer b tanked it for him,despite having basically no power in there.

Naruto in km said that the raikage in v1 would kill him with a punch,killer b beat him in strength when he went v2 while in chakra mode(or was he base?),if he goes full hachibi mode,naruto is finished,he dosent even need it,he has 1tk-8tk modes before going full hachibi,one tbb will oneshot naruto easily,his beast wind tech will wipe out any clones.

Killer b wins easy-mid diff.
 

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Sorry man, it was totally plot, Sasuke would have kicked his ass but it was important to the plot that Itachi won, if he didn't win the rest of Sasuke's story of killing Itachi in the manga would be pointless. So chunin exam Sasuke obviously craps on Itachi. Can't prove me wrong? Didn't think so son.

I don't care about the sarcasm, Sasuke was not able to do shit to Itachi, not even in your craziest dreams. Stop mentioning it, you're making yourself look ignorant.
 

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I don't care about the sarcasm, Sasuke was not able to do shit to Itachi, not even in your craziest dreams. Stop mentioning it, you're making yourself look ignorant.

Well he would have been able to kill him if it weren't for Plot no Jutsu. That was retarded and shit writing, it's obvious Sasuke would have stomped if not for the plot.

Still can't prove me wrong, huh? See, I told you chunin exams Sasuke is leagues above Itachi.
 

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bee would win. sm naruto cant survive a tbb.
 

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Just realised what he means by "SM Naruto" is Naruto with access to full kyuubi chakra. Actually thats what he thinks base Naruto is. No wonder Naruto stomps.....
 

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Just realised what he means by "SM Naruto" is Naruto with access to full kyuubi chakra. Actually thats what he thinks base Naruto is. No wonder Naruto stomps.....

and he thinks we should read the manga?xd
 

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Just realised what he means by "SM Naruto" is Naruto with access to full kyuubi chakra. Actually thats what he thinks base Naruto is. No wonder Naruto stomps.....

No shit, using Kurama's chakra=/=entering KM. If OP wanted to specify, he should have said "this is before Kurama cooperates with Naruto", too bad he didn't. Why would it be an earlier version of Naruto just because you don't want him to win?

So you agree SM Naruto who can access Kurama's chakra stomps? Finally, ok thanks man
and he thinks we should read the manga?xd
Lol @ how you're still posting here as if you're actively participating in the debate you abandoned awhile ago
 

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Well he would have been able to kill him if it weren't for Plot no Jutsu. That was retarded and shit writing, it's obvious Sasuke would have stomped if not for the plot.

Still can't prove me wrong, huh? See, I told you chunin exams Sasuke is leagues above Itachi.

Wow, are you really saying chuunin exams Sasuke > Itachi? Don't know if stupid or retarded. Or just acting like a God of Sarcasm for what I've already said that I don't care about.
 

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Wow, are you really saying chuunin exams Sasuke > Itachi? Don't know if stupid or retarded. Or just acting like a God of Sarcasm for what I've already said that I don't care about.
Not sarcastic, it's obvious plot no jutsu.

Really? You can't even prove to me why Itachi Uchiha would beat Chunin Exams Sasuke? I'm glad I proved my point to how stupid the "plot no jutsu" excuse is now. Just pin it on anything you don't like, and there you go
 

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Not sarcastic, it's obvious plot no jutsu.

Really? You can't even prove to me why Itachi Uchiha would beat Chunin Exams Sasuke? I'm glad I proved my point to how stupid the "plot no jutsu" excuse is now. Just pin it on anything you don't like, and there you go

his hand seal speed was such that kakashi,who had 3 tomoe sharingan couldnt see it,he was physically strong enough to overpower hebi sasuke in taijutsu,he was fast enough to keep up with km naruto in their taijutsu clash,he defeated kakashi.

How would sasuke beat itachi in CE?.
 

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sm naruto vs kurama was in narutos mind. not sure if the feats there really count. bee doesnt need fulll bijuu mode. he can go cloak mode and keep pressuring naruto with lariat. remember it beat sharingan, and only A could dodge it. plus raiton swords and ink clones. against tobi bee had to come in and save kcm naruto multiple times

It dosen't matter Naruto has the same techs and did the same stuff out of his mind being in his mind didn't change anything. Naruto can dodge with his sensory ablities not to mention SM Naruto is the best taijutsu user in the manga so close range fighting is bad aganist him so using the raiton swords would be bad aganist him. Naruto's clones > ink clones so yeah that dosen't work.

Naruto never defeated nine tails, he seperated his chakra from his will which is not possible in the case. Nine tails was just knocked back from his jutsu, they never did any damage. Besides that battle was inside Naruto's head. Bee also was able to tank a TBB from Kurama while being in a very weak state.

Killer bee high difficulty. Inb4 Joki comes in with 1000SM clones and FRS................

Yes they did. So can I say Sasuke cant surpress that tiny bit of chakra that leaked out in the cage since it was inside his mind. Face it you people just use that as a excuse nothing suggest Naruto cant do the same outside of his mind. What does a TBB have to do with him beating Naruto?

Killer b wins,kurama one shotted naruto 2 mins into the fight,and killer b tanked it for him,despite having basically no power in there.

Naruto in km said that the raikage in v1 would kill him with a punch,killer b beat him in strength when he went v2 while in chakra mode(or was he base?),if he goes full hachibi mode,naruto is finished,he dosent even need it,he has 1tk-8tk modes before going full hachibi,one tbb will oneshot naruto easily,his beast wind tech will wipe out any clones.

Killer b wins easy-mid diff.

Manga scan of where he did that? Yeah i though so. Your using a > b > c logic Naruto goes by match ups also you didn't even provide a scan of him saying this so him beating SM Naruto is a invalid statement from you.
 

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Not sarcastic, it's obvious plot no jutsu.

Really? You can't even prove to me why Itachi Uchiha would beat Chunin Exams Sasuke? I'm glad I proved my point to how stupid the "plot no jutsu" excuse is now. Just pin it on anything you don't like, and there you go

What the hell, dude? :shrug: Where's your proof that part one Sasuke is able to take down Itachi? You're contradicting yourself with every statement you say. Every reasonable person knows that Sasuke stands no chance against Itachi.
 
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his hand seal speed was such that kakashi,who had 3 tomoe sharingan couldnt see it,he was physically strong enough to overpower hebi sasuke in taijutsu,he was fast enough to keep up with km naruto in their taijutsu clash,he defeated kakashi.

How would sasuke beat itachi in CE?.
No, Itachis hand speed was plot no jutsu, if he didn't have that fast of hand seals he would have gotten stomped so he had to win for the sake of the plot.
What the hell, dude? :shrug: Where's your proof that part one Sasuke is able to take down Itachi? You're contradicting yourself with every statement you say. Every reasonable person knows that Sasuke stands no chance against Itachi.
Sorry it's plot no jutsu, everyone else obviously knows Sasuke would have stomped Itachi
 

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Joki isn't serious about Sasuke beating Itachi, he is just showing how dumb it is to pin Plot no Jutsu on every fight instead of using manga proof.
 

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Ye, I know that, but I'm sure he doesn't fully understand plot-no-jutsu. Otherwise he wouldn't try acting smart.
 

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It dosen't matter Naruto has the same techs and did the same stuff out of his mind being in his mind didn't change anything. Naruto can dodge with his sensory ablities not to mention SM Naruto is the best taijutsu user in the manga so close range fighting is bad aganist him so using the raiton swords would be bad aganist him. Naruto's clones > ink clones so yeah that dosen't work.



Yes they did. So can I say Sasuke cant surpress that tiny bit of chakra that leaked out in the cage since it was inside his mind. Face it you people just use that as a excuse nothing suggest Naruto cant do the same outside of his mind. What does a TBB have to do with him beating Naruto?



Manga scan of where he did that? Yeah i though so. Your using a > b > c logic Naruto goes by match ups also you didn't even provide a scan of him saying this so him beating SM Naruto is a invalid statement from you.

1) i am not talking abt the techs,i am talking abt the fact that naruto was moving and entering sm at the same time because his real body was in sm. Sm naruto isnt the best taijutsu in the manga. Also,the clnes he created were originally in base,but all of them entered sage mode while moving and carrying a rasengan,can you tell me naruto can honestly do that,or create that many clones in sm,in the madara fight,he created only 2 sm clones,in the edo raikage fight,he didnt make that much clones. And killer b's ink clones can go thrpugh partial hachibi transformations,and were strong enough to hold down the edo jins,only after releasing their v2,did they escape the grip. Naruto needs 2 clones to do rasenshuriken,killer b was able to create ink clones for each of the jins,and as a perfect jin,he most likely can create more. Also he has his shark sword which can absorb up to 6tails of bujuu chakra at a time,so naruto's rasengan will be absorbed,and his v2 forms like his 6tk or 8tk will be able to take a sm naruto in cqc.

2) naruto has never created that many clones in sm before,and those clones were in base before entering sm as the original body entered it. Also still inside naruto's mind,hachibi had basically very little of his power,but still took a tbb from kurama and saved naruto. So je definately has high tanking powers,not to mention that he could dodge the rasenshuriken with his chakra cloak.

3)this is v1 raikage intercepting naruto in km,and you can see naruto's shock at his speed.



this is naruto admitting one clean punch from v1 raikage would kill him

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This is raikage entering v2



this is bee in base stopping the attack easily with hachibi's fist only
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1) i am not talking abt the techs,i am talking abt the fact that naruto was moving and entering sm at the same time because his real body was in sm. Sm naruto isnt the best taijutsu in the manga. Also,the clnes he created were originally in base,but all of them entered sage mode while moving and carrying a rasengan,can you tell me naruto can honestly do that,or create that many clones in sm,in the madara fight,he created only 2 sm clones,in the edo raikage fight,he didnt make that much clones. And killer b's ink clones can go thrpugh partial hachibi transformations,and were strong enough to hold down the edo jins,only after releasing their v2,did they escape the grip. Naruto needs 2 clones to do rasenshuriken,killer b was able to create ink clones for each of the jins,and as a perfect jin,he most likely can create more. Also he has his shark sword which can absorb up to 6tails of bujuu chakra at a time,so naruto's rasengan will be absorbed,and his v2 forms like his 6tk or 8tk will be able to take a sm naruto in cqc.

Your right about them moving and entering sage mode that was him being in his mind but it dosen't matter because what you dont understand is when Naruto fought Pain his clones were already in sage mode when he used them



Yes he is he has the best taijutsu in the manga. That's because Bee was clone enough to grap them he wont be getting the close to Naruto's clones if he does they can hit him with rasengan or oodama rasengan. Naruto can use two oodama rasengans one infront of Bee and one in back he cant absorb them both.

[2) naruto has never created that many clones in sm before,and those clones were in base before entering sm as the original body entered it. Also still inside naruto's mind,hachibi had basically very little of his power,but still took a tbb from kurama and saved naruto. So je definately has high tanking powers,not to mention that he could dodge the rasenshuriken with his chakra cloak.

You already said that above and i already explained that.

[3]this is v1 raikage intercepting naruto in km,and you can see naruto's shock at his speed.



this is naruto admitting one clean punch from v1 raikage would kill him

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This is raikage entering v2



this is bee in base stopping the attack easily with hachibi's fist only

This is SM Naruto picking up a elephant



I looked up how much the average elephant weighs on google and it says 11,000 pounds also not to mention he was able to lift Kurama too Tsunade could lift Gamabunta's knife i doubt that weighs more than Kurama so SM Naruto must be as strong as Tsunade A couldn't destroy Susanno Tsunade could so she's physically stronger than A which means SM Naruto is physcially stronger than him so i guess sage mode gives you more physical strngeth than KM does.
 

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Your right about them moving and entering sage mode that was him being in his mind but it dosen't matter because what you dont understand is when Naruto fought Pain his clones were already in sage mode when he used them



Yes he is he has the best taijutsu in the manga. That's because Bee was clone enough to grap them he wont be getting the close to Naruto's clones if he does they can hit him with rasengan or oodama rasengan. Naruto can use two oodama rasengans one infront of Bee and one in back he cant absorb them both.



You already said that above and i already explained that.



This is SM Naruto picking up a elephant



I looked up how much the average elephant weighs on google and it says 11,000 pounds also not to mention he was able to lift Kurama too Tsunade could lift Gamabunta's knife i doubt that weighs more than Kurama so SM Naruto must be as strong as Tsunade A couldn't destroy Susanno Tsunade could so she's physically stronger than A which means SM Naruto is physcially stronger than him so i guess sage mode gives you more physical strngeth than KM does.

1) the clones are made in the same form as the user,i am not saying that he cant make sm clones,i am saying that he can't make more than 2-3 clones at once in sm,as the clones take an equal fraction of his senjutsu chakra which lasts abt 5 minutes normally,though he has probably inceased the time limit a little,but making clones still reduces that time,coupled with the fact that his techs also use up his senjutsu chakra as well,which is why he cant make multiple clones in sm,as in your scan,he used only 2 clones at once.

Gated Gai,4th raikage,tsunade,km naruto,are all better than sm naruto in taijutsu. Bee's clones can make hachibi tentacles to block the rasengan attack like kurama used 2 tails to block naruto's cho odama rasengan(i am not comparing them,i am saying that at least the clones can also use their hachibi tentacles to defend against a rasengan from an sm clone since the clones could make partial hachibi transformations,they can also use chakra shrouds too,so they can dodge it) ,also remember naruto still needs a clone to do rasengan in sm,,besides bee can make more ink clones than naruto can make more sm clones at a time,so the clones could outnumber them. Also dont forget that the jins had sharingan and rinnegan to predict movements and cover blindspots respectively and had the speed of their chakra shrouds,but still got caught. You saw how bee in base was ablr to react to v2 raikage,ia m pretty sure than v2 bee can dodge an odama rasengan,or just shoot a tbb,besides,if naruto attacks from both sides,bee can simply jump above and out of the way,or repel them with a sonic hachibi v2 chakra blast or use hachibi tentacles to repel them,dont forget bee has chakra arms as well,also,are you certain that in an unusual event that the rasengan hits bee,it will cause him much damage as he has his chakra shroud on,he took a shinra tensei from nagato and was still able to recover fast enough to attack him with a lariat,also in full hachibi,rasengan wont really do much to him,rasenshuriken will knock him back,like it did kurama,however,bee's whirlwind will easily send any naruto flying,and a tbb will end the match,however v2 bee is the best choice here.

2) that wasnt an elephant,that was a rhino,which weighs around 8000 ponds highest normally. Also,tsunade made a fissure in the ground with one finger, two buldings were shattered as a side effect to a kick,she lifted the sword easily,tsunade is by far stronger than anyone else physically.
This is km naruto abt to push a biju dama as you can see.


this is km naruto pushing the bijuu dama through the 36 barrier shield


km naruto is stronger than sm naruto but not as strong physically as v1 A,and would have been killed by v1 raikage with a punch as per his own admission,while basically base bee was fast enough to get infront of naruto and stop a v2 attack from the raikage.
 
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