Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[sukyyb]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

it still semms illogical for it to be Obito, not because of his age (because he is a few years older than Kakashi seeing as how Kakashi graduated the academy at 5) but because of his hatred towards both Konoha & the Uchiha.
It makes more sense for it to be someone who was deeply affected by Obito's death, hence why they give Obito's background story to better understand why Tobi is doing the things he is doing.
But all we can do is wait 'till next chapter. If it's Obito oh well. I'm sure we all just want to know who really is under that mask.
Maybe Kakashi's mask is coming off next

 

[Henrik]

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1. Minato become Hokage right after Obito's death, and the 3 great ninja war, one year later he attacked Konoha. Are you telling me he planned all this, got knowledge of Hashirama, Madara, Rikudou sennin and the Juubi in one year? Are you saying that he could controll the Kyuubi in one year? No, this is not explained.

2. He fought equal to Minato and Minato stated that he had a better space time ninjutsu than himself, and Tobirama. Minato even thought it was Madara, but no... It was Obito. Why wouldnt his own Sensei know his chakra? No, this is not explained.

3. Like I said first, Obito were 13 and died, and then after the 3 great ninja war, Minato become Hokage. One year later, he attacked Konoha and that means he was 14 attacking Konoha and controlling the Kyuubi. No, not explained lol.

School now, i'll explain all you replys later. Explain how Tobi could give nagato the rinnegan when Obito wasnt even born, and that was 2. great ninja war

 

[ClownAl3n]

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decent answer, until next week we will know who is right =] but for now i will argue until your not bored?

give me a FACT that obito would have a grudge to have change from good character to bad character statues. "you cannot say anything that includes RIN" if you do use the jealousy reason because of rin liking kakashi etc then i was aruge back with evidents. FACT: kakashi told rin obito loved her, rin says she loves kakashi, tho rin says she likes him"kakashi"

what is the relationship statues of zetsu to obito/why would he want obito for? "if u dont know i give u next week new manga to answer me" tho we could prob not know because of little information

-comment- zetsu could of just got kakshi<itachi<shisui "ok bag on my whose greater shiet on later topic but yeah"

why would zetsu want to even have a relation with madara? -same for top question stuff-

alot of ppl imply when when kakashi says, quote "everyone close to me dies..." that rin is dead? plausible. So i imply that rin and kakashi broke up kinda thing "seperated" meaning shes dead to him"not physically but mentally". But because "u didnt love back my dead GOOD FRIEND when i knew that he loved you ALOT" tho i didnt like you from the beginning? yes naruto<3sakura but sakura loves sasuke. oh if not imformation then dont imply shes died guys :shrug: "lesson learned dont imply if not physical proof"

oh btw fyi, Armathx the thread creator. Answer the peoples question without sounding dooshie, or kinda ass comments back. Most of us arent ignorant, were just people that like to debate what you think with our idea. Isnt that america freedom of speech? If you know your right and believe your right, state your comment nicely and ignore what we say then thats it.

kk chao, u seem interesting to debate about. so CHALLENGE ACCEPTED? =]

p.s if your right in next manga then i admit everything you say is right, and i say im sorry. If thats not enough satisfaction for you? Cause i'd be happy if i won the debate =D i hope its kagami uchiha thats obito's dad because then there would be a motive to why maybe obito went awall.

 

[Gilgameshy]

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I wonder why Kurama was shocked and said "You...!" as if he knew Obito, and how did he know him? when did they meet? ...I hope that much are going to be explained.

Maybe he wasn't being specific and just meant "Ah f*** another Uchiha -.-" :shrug:

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

it still semms illogical for it to be Obito, not because of his age (because he is a few years older than Kakashi seeing as how Kakashi graduated the academy at 5) but because of his hatred towards both Konoha & the Uchiha.
It makes more sense for it to be someone who was deeply affected by Obito's death, hence why they give Obito's background story to better understand why Tobi is doing the things he is doing.
But all we can do is wait 'till next chapter. If it's Obito oh well. I'm sure we all just want to know who really is under that mask.
Maybe Kakashi's mask is coming off next

Kakashi & Obito are the same age...... Obito's only a few months older.
It's just that Kakashi was THAT once in a generation type of ninja, like every generation had, so he progressed MUCH quicker than Obito... Obito didn't become a Genin until he was 9. And yeah, his motives are far too unclear to have gone through such drastic changes... We REALLY have to see, but I think it's just going to switch back to Sasuke & Orochimaru to add to our anger & suspense. :l

Edit: Btw, I made a mistake in a few posts, Obito's birthday is February 10th.. Strange how that's the same as Izuna's, hmm?

 

[Gilgameshy]

The future Obito we already discussed about it.
But the second... hmm, that could somehow be.. true? As it will have both Obito and Izuna trapped inside the same body?

Dunno, for the moment I am doing some researches to establish Madara's timeline. I think this is the key to everything further related.

Why do I believe that it's Izuna.

Here Madara is very confident that it's HIS doing

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Therefore, has to be someone VERY close to him. Who else than rather his brother? Since here he's reffering to OUR plan...

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Meaning the Infinite Tsukyomi

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Now, as we know, Sasuke's been hanging around with Tobi since the Itachi fight, and even at a point Tobi's mask was down, meaning Sasuke knows as well who is behind the mask.

Now, the thing is this... Look how Sasuke and Orochimaru reffer:

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Yes, them.
Meaning it implies that there are 2 different characters.

And look how here it puts Sasuke between the 2 of them

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I know you are going to tell me that it is about the phrase "The one who knows everything", but maybe this implies a secret that combined between the two brothers it's resulting in one absolute secret.

Now, Orochimaru knows who Tobi is as well:

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This is a detail I'll have to work on...
Though my guess is that Madara met somehow Orochimaru who helped him to make Zetsu and bring Izuna back and that would explain how Kabuto knows about them and how he had acces to Madara's DNA, yet he told Tobi that he won't reveal his secret.

That makes so much sense tbh. "His" could certainly be referring to Oro. +rep

 

[jrtyrael24]

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Okay.. so if Karachi is 28 post two year time skip an naruto is 16 post two year time skip..... then on the day of naruto birth Karachi was 12. but assuming that Karachi was an extraordinary. student at the academy it is believable. that photo is 1-3 years older than Karachi making him about 14 on the day of naruto birth

 

[Plunge into darkness]

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I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

Thank you for having common sense. Not only has it been completely obvious it makes sense since obito can connect to nearly every character that is of importance either through his past or soon to be revealed pain. It's not like obito isn't strong or interesting, he'll he changed lives in many aspects shapes and forms. Why is every one bitching? For izuna? How about shisui he was also a very powerful filler character too.?Your a fan boy if your pro obito or one in denial if your anti obito. People need to get over it and go feel dumb in a corner somewhere...

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Thank you for having common sense. Not only has it been completely obvious it makes sense since obito can connect to nearly every character that is of importance either through his past or soon to be revealed pain. It's not like obito isn't strong or interesting, he'll he changed lives in many aspects shapes and forms. Why is every one bitching? For izuna? How about shisui he was also a very powerful filler character too.?Your a fan boy if your pro obito or one in denial if your anti obito. People need to get over it and go feel dumb in a corner somewhere...

Obito only connects to Kakashi and just barely Guy. It canonically makes no sense for Tobi to be Obito, not complaining, it makes for better story, but it makes no sense whatsoever. Shisui influenced many events due to his Kotoamatsukami, which makes him a main storyline character, and Izuna with being the cause of Madara's evolution into extreme power with the EMS and possible further evolution into the Rinnegan.
But in the timeline of events, nothing makes sense.....

 

[Blackbelt Nob]

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your answers don't make any sense

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Prove me wrong.

 

[uchihaha]

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This may be far fetched, but what if somehow, Obito's memory was replaced or erased? (I know, reading it back it sounds retarded). I mean...it kinda explains Obito's complete 180 in terms of personality. He could just be a vessel, and a useful vessel for someone like Madara, him being an Uchiha and all.

 

[Koha]

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This may be far fetched, but what if somehow, Obito's memory was replaced or erased? (I know, reading it back it sounds retarded). I mean...it kinda explains Obito's complete 180 in terms of personality. He could just be a vessel, and a useful vessel for someone like Madara, him being an Uchiha and all.

I would believe him to be a vessel...
Remember when we thought Deva Path was Pain's true body?
I think we might be stuck in that same scenario.

 

[uchihaha]

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Somehow, and this may just be me, but I think if we hadnt already guessed Obito ages and ages ago, and it somehow turned out to be Izuna, I would be really disappointed simply because Obito holds a special place to me emotionally as a character way more than Izuna does. Sure he may be important, but emotionally, im kinda okay with it being obito, i mean think of what this is gonna do to kakashi???
and i have a feeling rin is gonna be a huge part in all this.

 

[Codex]

Maybe it's just me, but Tobito's face looks a bit like white Zetsu (original, not the clones).

 

[Koha]

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They'll definitely show Rin and how she died in the upcoming chapters. I'm hoping for Izuna because it'll chronologically make more sense. Even Kagami Uchiha sounds like a better choice than Obito, he's far too young to be Tobi.
And Madara doesn't have S/T in his Mangekyou :l so Kamui is ruled out for him.

 

[Chatte]

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kishi > you

But logic > Kishi.

 

[Blackbelt Nob]

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you are just making things complicated with nonsensical answers, the way I see it the tobitotards and kishihaters are all going to get owned next week, I just hope they don't magically disappear

 

[Chatte]

I don't know where, but I know I saw people stating that Kurama recognizes Tobi from the attack on Konoha 16 years ago. Well that's the event itself! When Kyuubi recognizes Tobi is after he was extracted from Kushina, 16 years ago attack.

Kyuubi must've known Tobi from before in order to recognise him at the time being.

I have another thing in mind to connect Madara - Izuna - Orochimaru - Tobi - Zetsu considering the panel where the curse mark is shown and Madara's holding his neck, but I think it's a crazy theory... U_U and I don't want to get flamed from deducting some logical things, in the end...

 

[blood hound]

I think I know what happened...........
This is going to be a bit too much..... Obito is kakashi and kakashi is obito!!!!
Just keep reading!!!

We all saw kakashi black out when he obtained the sharingun and transplanted it right!?!? What I think happened is that obito unwanting to die used a special forbidden jutsu that transferred his soul into kakashi's body and vis versa........ When obito in kakashi woke ip he found minato and RIN right next too him and he just played along as kakashi. That's why he is always so sad......... Thats why he visits the grave daily.

However kakashi who is now obito stayed alive and as he was slowly dying he was able too activate the MS and phase through the rocks...... Filled with hate he tracked down obito who is now kakashi and was about to attack and that's when he heard obito who is now kakashi say to minato and RIN the truth........ However thinking that it was to late to do anything they just played along as well. Minato however stopped speaking to obito who is now kakashi, but RIN stayed in contact with him............ So kakashi who is now obito grew even a bigger hatred to not just him but everyone else as well....... Thus coming up with his plan to bring peace by genjustu.........

What you think!!!!
It is better then most prediction/theory in this thread right xD