Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Now, I'm not saying I don't think Tobi is obito, cuz as of right now that's clearly what were supposed to believe. But as far as the timeline of events that that guy was talking about, pretty much has to do with the fact that kakashi guy and obito were all the same age, and during the 9 tailed fox attack "Tobi" seemed to be much older that kakashi and guy were. But that's just my input, I personally believe zetsu saved obitos life and eye by somehow fusing with him during the "time of death" that or his ms activated as his body was getting crushed an kamui'd his right have out of the dimension with maximum skeletal injuries, but not enough to kill him, then Zetsu came ino the mix.. But that's just me
I'd buy that Kamui....his last words were " I wish i had more time with everyone" then the last rock dropped....and yea, Zetsu obviously fused with his body so ehhhhhhh.....believable...

Who's the long haired guy that talked to Itachi though?
 
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At some point in the manga it shows Tobi's giant stash of sharingans. Lot's of people forget about that, too (including me for a little while). And yeah this is kinda fun once people actually stop and debate this stuff out.
man!!!! i seem to miss key points!!! You remember where it was roughly??? never knew that!
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.


I have not finished reading but if you can see this... I believe obito did actually manipulate the mizukage because he revealed himself to kisame the day it was shown the mizukage being manipulated, and kisame recognized the same face tobi showed him.
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I guess the Hashi curing brought it back from the mashed potatoes it wouldve been huh?

I wonder why the Tobi before the Konoha attack was long haired (talking to Itachi)??
This is also something that perplexed me. The whole long-haired, different mask, mizukage and uchiha massacre tobi seems different, whether you believe in tobito or you're still a skeptic. But Kisame identified them as the same.... it just seems fishy.
 
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man!!!! i seem to miss key points!!! You remember where it was roughly??? never knew that!
I'm guessing when Sasuke transplanted Itachi's eyes..... it's either then or when he first joined forces with Akatsuki. I know Sasuke was in the frame and I'm pretty sure it's when he transplants. And don't worry it's only shown in one frame out 600 chapters in this manga. You're not alone in missing that.
 

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Lololol unless you have Hashirama's powerzzzzz. Lolz................ the options are limited, but it's still better than the idea of him going from regular old brown eyes to Mangekyou in just a few hours. It's Kishi's only hope if he decides to go for it, you know what I mean?
Which only Yamato, Orochimaru (Having his DNA & testing it on others'), & Madara who would more than likely would've been dead at the time would have Hashirama's power xD I think at this point even the explanation wouldn't make much sense... Unless there's a higher power at work. And that would be the most BS, OP thing to do with someone who was a below average Shinobi, and you can't compare him to Naruto since he didn't have a demon fox MASSIVELY enhancing his capabilities. Even the geniuses of the story didn't get some OP like that, IN JUST A FEW HOURS.

Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Izuna, All 5 Hokage, Orochimaru, etc., etc.
 
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Which only Yamato, Orochimaru (Having his DNA & testing it on others'), & Madara who would more than likely would've been dead at the time would have Hashirama's power xD I think at this point even the explanation wouldn't make much sense... Unless there's a higher power at work. And that would be the most BS, OP thing to do with someone who was a below average Shinobi, and you can't compare him to Naruto since he didn't have a demon fox MASSIVELY enhancing his capabilities. Even the geniuses of the story didn't get some OP like that, IN JUST A FEW HOURS.

Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Izuna, All 5 Hokage, Orochimaru, etc., etc.
True, true, true. But I think you are misusing "OP?" I always thought it meant "original poster," the dude who started the thread right?
EDIT: I see you meant "overpowered"
 
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Which only Yamato, Orochimaru (Having his DNA & testing it on others'), & Madara who would more than likely would've been dead at the time would have Hashirama's power xD I think at this point even the explanation wouldn't make much sense... Unless there's a higher power at work. And that would be the most BS, OP thing to do with someone who was a below average Shinobi, and you can't compare him to Naruto since he didn't have a demon fox MASSIVELY enhancing his capabilities. Even the geniuses of the story didn't get some OP like that, IN JUST A FEW HOURS.

Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Izuna, All 5 Hokage, Orochimaru, etc., etc.
Zetsu put him in his clam, and swam through the dirt
 
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Zetsu put him in his clam, and swam through the dirt
And dude, please don't believe the "Kamui escape" theory. It's the theory I was telling you to stay away from earlier. Just remember that the day Obito "died," he woke up that morning with regular ass eyes. And he made the jump to sharingan, 3 pronged sharingan, and to mangekyou in less than a day? Madara was 15-20 when he got Mangekyou and that dude was a total boss!
 
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what if Zetsu somehow, gave Obito, Kamui early on? I dont see why a sub par Uchiha would be the only one in the bloodline to have had it, what if it was Madara's or Izuna's?
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.



You don't even have a single legitimate counter argument... I don't know where to start, let's go down your list then...


1: Obito was 13 years old and a few months younger than Kakashi when he was left for dead and it was 13 months later that Konoha was attacked... ... ... If u see CH-502,PG-3 Kakashi and Gai are 14, and Kakashi just joined the Anbu after the 3rd ninja war ended.

2: How do you expect Obito who just unlocked his Sharringan a little over a year ago have mastered the Sharringan and gained the EMS and mastered it of a man supposedly 50-65years dead, and don't say he didn't his eye has shown the EMS of Madara/Izuna Uchiha before.

3: Summoning something requires a blood contract, where do you think he found the Kyuubi's blood contract. Did he come across it in his vast travels, or happen to stumble upon it while he took months if not years to recover from his mutilating and nearly fatal wounds.

4: Yagura died before Obito fought in the war compare how many years ago it was in Kisame's flashback. Kisame and the other 7 Swordsman of mist didn't leave the village until just before the 3rd ninja war... You think Obito controlled Yagura before they left him for dead and before he unlocked his Sharringan.

5: Madara died before Nagato was born. He died months after his battle with Hashirama that's why his Edo Tensei isn't an eighty year old man.

6: I agree with you on this one Obito was obviously turned evil in some way shape or form so it must be possible. I think he got a mentor, a very old Rouge Uchiha who loved Madara and who hated the leaf for killing him and who knew about the politics of the Time well, a predecessor Masked Man, I'm thinking of Izuna Uchiha.

7: Same as above I think someone (Most Likely Izuna Uchiha) found him nearly dead, healed him and helped him recover then taught him the Sharringan and to hate the leaf.

8: Same as above I think some evil conspiring mentor twisted Obito evil with wicked teachings then told him about the Uchiha's Past and how to use the Sharringan and that is who the Masked Man was before Obito.

The Tobi who attacked the leaf never claimed to be Madara, Minato infered that because he thought Madara was the only Uchiha with the ability to use Time-Space Ninjutsu who hated the village, and in Kisame's flashback he thinks the man controlling the corrupt Yagura is Madara Uchiha but Kisame could only make out the persons hair and outline, Izuna and Madara had very similar hair styles.


reread chapters 499, 500, 501, and 507 you'll get what I'm saying. Or wait till next week and see I'm 94% sure on my theory. I don't think Kishi will troll us with giving us some dumb linear and empty plotline
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

what if Zetsu somehow, gave Obito, Kamui early on? I dont see why a sub par Uchiha would be the only one in the bloodline to have had it, what if it was Madara's or Izuna's?
Res.- Im saying this to say how he may have developed it to face Minato...ima just stick with Clam swimming escape jutsu for Gaiden incident
 
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And dude, please don't believe the "Kamui escape" theory. It's the theory I was telling you to stay away from earlier. Just remember that the day Obito "died," he woke up that morning with regular ass eyes. And he made the jump to sharingan, 3 pronged sharingan, and to mangekyou in less than a day? Madara was 15-20 when he got Mangekyou and that dude was a total boss!
Tobi doesnt use Mangekyo when he uses Kamui now though does he? (Not supporting the escape, just saying)
 
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what if Zetsu somehow, gave Obito, Kamui early on? I dont see why a sub par Uchiha would be the only one in the bloodline to have had it, what if it was Madara's or Izuna's?
Can't be, each Mangekyou has a unique pattern. Obito's mangekyou is the same as Kakashi's in technique and in pattern. You'll notice that once you transplant, the patterns of both pairs of mangekyou eyes overlap to create a new more complex pattern. Just somethin i noticed after awhile
 
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