Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[UchihaKiller]

Tobi has to be able to travel through time. there is no other way he can be related to so many ppl from different time periods and still be the same guy.. There is no other explainattion unless there are 2 or three different tobis. Obito is tobi that's a fact... Toni knows everything that's also a fact and tobi is not madara that's also another fact

For the love of God, there's not time travel in Naruto... Haven't you already had enough of Kishimoto's stupid ways of trying to give "scientific" (supposedly) explanations with lot of mumbo jumbo that makes very little sense. Like space-time co-ordinates (from Stephen Hawkings 'A Brief History of Time'), fourth dimension, cloning, cross-breeding and such non-sense. Not to forget heavily borrowed (but little understood) intelligence from The Matrix... Do you wanna add time travel to this?! Really?!!

 

[A$AP Wap]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

*"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard.

**"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"

***"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"

****"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
Madara himself before he died.

*****"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

******"Obito would not have turned evil"

*Yet he caused his Sensei to use a Suicide Technique.

**Kakashi became Jounin at like 13. Ninjas in the past were more skilled than Ninja were right now. His teacher was the 4th Hokage. He could have managed to learn that technique somehow. And he has the Sharingan too sooo... He could have gotten help somehow, but this remains unknown.

***Kabuto manipulated Obito into working with him without Sharingan. And plus, the Mizukage was young, so it was probably easy to do it... -_-

****Omfg. You guys say this so much. Nagato awakened his own powers. He was born with it, and awakened it himself. Madara could never have laid a finger on Nagato. You believe everything the Manga says like it doesn't have Plot holes.

*****Yahiko started it on his own. Obito knows how to Manipulate people. And the Orphans are Gullible. Obito slowly took over, and started working with Nagato, so they can both reach their goals. Nagato had his own plans, and so did Obito. When the time came one of them would turn on the other, and all Hell would break loose. Nagato sacrificed himself for a good cause and died. THAT's when Obito took Nagato's eyes, and started thinking he was a boss saying, "Those were my eyes to begin with." because he was planning to take his eyes from the start.

******Yeah... Right... Like nobody in Anime ever turns evil...

 

[snakekill321]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

idk if its been brought up or not but... how did obito master his sharingan so quickly to the point where he could control the kyuubi

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

*Yet he caused his Sensei to use a Suicide Technique.

**Kakashi became Jounin at like 13. Ninjas in the past were more skilled than Ninja were right now. His teacher was the 4th Hokage. He could have managed to learn that technique somehow. And he has the Sharingan too sooo... He could have gotten help somehow, but this remains unknown.

***Kabuto manipulated Obito into working with him without Sharingan. And plus, the Mizukage was young, so it was probably easy to do it... -_-

****Omfg. You guys say this so much. Nagato awakened his own powers. He was born with it, and awakened it himself. Madara could never have laid a finger on Nagato. You believe everything the Manga says like it doesn't have Plot holes.

*****Yahiko started it on his own. Obito knows how to Manipulate people. And the Orphans are Gullible. Obito slowly took over, and started working with Nagato, so they can both reach their goals. Nagato had his own plans, and so did Obito. When the time came one of them would turn on the other, and all Hell would break loose. Nagato sacrificed himself for a good cause and died. THAT's when Obito took Nagato's eyes, and started thinking he was a boss saying, "Those were my eyes to begin with." because he was planning to take his eyes from the start.

******Yeah... Right... Like nobody in Anime ever turns evil...

All of these events happened before Obito's birth. Age doesn't mean anything when you're a perfect Jinchuuriki as Yagura was. Obito unlocked the Sharingan the day he died.
And further speculation now says that Madara gave him the Rinnegan while he was young, before Obito was born.

 

[Em3plum]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

ok not to disbunk your theory i have 2 thing i
i think there is more than 1 tobi just the whole mizukage thing because ao said at the kage summit that he undid the genjutsu that was cast on yagura he should be around the same age as kisame and zabuza

(how ever he did take his mask off and show kisame his face twice once with the mizukage and after he recruited sasuke)

and during the fight with minato he was completely suprised by minatos Flying thunder god jutsu like he never seen it even though we know obito saw him use the flying thunder god jutsu to save kakashi when kakashi was trying to use chidori to take out the ninja with the twenty clones

i am just going to wait and see what kishi does to close the plotholes surrounding tobi being obito

 

[theresurrection]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I hope so, too. And I hope he has a real AMAZING reason as to why he chose Obito & not just fan pressure. -_____- I'm surprised at how prideful these people are at finding out yes it's Obito, but not question the NUMEROUS amount of problems that has risen and give complete BS responses to explain their view. Like I said, I've really yet to be countered in these threads but by like one person who made a lot more sense, still found the inconsistency of having obtained the MS in one moment when he just activated the Sharingan that day. He's dug himself into such a huge hole, it's gonna take some real Da Vinci code like explanations to save himself.

Yeah, I never even considered that a possibility even if I DO play the devil's advocate and consider the "Tobito" stuff as truth. It's more likely that someone helped him from out of the rocks. Honestly, I was surprised that someone even came up with that notion and found the idea so ridiculous that I didn't even bother to say anything. It's like, "Why would you go out of your way to come up with an EVEN MORE ridiculous story then necessary?" If Kishi goes through with this, awakening his Mangekyou in order to save himself simply won't make the cut. Besides, I'm no doctor, but he just had his entire right side demolished. Internal organ damage would be severe, not to mention shock, brain damage, bones shattered and splintered throughout his body, loss of blood, and his ****ing eye plucked out? He shouldn't have even been conscious! Someone with some serious medic skills helped him outta there if this story is to be believed. Even Mangekyou wouldn't have saved his ass. Half his skull crushed, little brain function, severe concussions, collapsed lung, his liver is on that side, as well as a kidney, rib cage shattered and probably compressed to the point where only his left lung was functioning at all, heart would be compressed and probably couldn't pump quickly enough, he was genuinely ****ed.

 

[SAGA]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

So what you'are saying is that Tobi could have been 20 years old and still look like a kid? :flaw:
Just because Obito's age was nnot stated he could have been 18-19 years old!:flaw: Just Shut up,please shut up. You don't know anything. Idiot!

 

[SAGA]

Tobi/Obito theories and discsussions


Post your latest theories and views about Tobi (Chapter 599) in here. Please participate in the poll and let's see how we are feeling right now.


So...

After chapter 599 one this is certain:

Tobi is Obito - For the most part. He was the original "no one". :sy:

There are still many questions to be answered, for example:

• How come he survived?
  
• Was it the head injury which made him go Tobi?
  
• How come he thought he had a claim over Nagato's eye?
  
• When did he had that growth spurt and MS awakenned?
  
• Is it only the body of Obito?
  
• blah blah

So here is a thread for you to post your theories and go whacky ( without breaking rules off course) filling the gaps till Kishi does it himself.

Now pleas STOP making hundreds of thread over it like crazy!! ​

Tsuchi you little nut kisser. <3

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Yeah, I never even considered that a possibility even if I DO play the devil's advocate and consider the "Tobito" stuff as truth. It's more likely that someone helped him from out of the rocks. Honestly, I was surprised that someone even came up with that notion and found the idea so ridiculous that I didn't even bother to say anything. It's like, "Why would you go out of your way to come up with an EVEN MORE ridiculous story then necessary?" If Kishi goes through with this, awakening his Mangekyou in order to save himself simply won't make the cut. Besides, I'm no doctor, but he just had his entire right side demolished. Internal organ damage would be severe, not to mention shock, brain damage, bones shattered and splintered throughout his body, loss of blood, and his ****ing eye plucked out? He shouldn't have even been conscious! Someone with some serious medic skills helped him outta there if this story is to be believed. Even Mangekyou wouldn't have saved his ass. Half his skull crushed, little brain function, severe concussions, collapsed lung, his liver is on that side, as well as a kidney, rib cage shattered and probably compressed to the point where only his left lung was functioning at all, heart would be compressed and probably couldn't pump quickly enough, he was genuinely ****ed.

OMG o.o ..... That's so brutal but true. But c'mon, it would take someone with much more medical prowess than Tsunade to have saved Obito. and there's nobody in the Narutoverse to have surpassed Tsunade's skill as a medic, even Lee's operation caused her problems, so someone as HORRIBLY maimed like Obito would totally become a lost cause. o.o ........

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

So what you'are saying is that Tobi could have been 20 years old and still look like a kid? :flaw:
Just because Obito's age was nnot stated he could have been 18-19 years old!:flaw: Just Shut up,please shut up. You don't know anything. Idiot!

Obito's age was stated, along with his birthday September 14th. He was 13, & would've turned 14 by the time of Kurama's attack.

 

[theresurrection]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

So what you'are saying is that Tobi could have been 20 years old and still look like a kid? :flaw:
Just because Obito's age was nnot stated he could have been 18-19 years old!:flaw: Just Shut up,please shut up. You don't know anything. Idiot!

according to this other dude, obito was a few months younger or older, i cant remember which. Look it up in the data book. Kishi made it for a reason bud. They do have specified ages apparently, where the hell do you think we got the other age stats?

 

[EternalStudent]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Ilike your points....could Zetsu not have saved Obito from the cave in?

 

[Jako98146]

A theory about Obito's story

Hear this out.
I think that Obito was saved by Madara, or someone working for Madara atleast. It would explain why Obito was able to become powerful enough to activate his mangekyo sharingan, live through a fight with Minato, bypass security and the barrier, awaken kurama(since Madara was the one who was able to control him with his sharingan when fighting the first hokage), be comared to Madara, and know enough about his life to be able to tell Madara's story and convince people easily that he was madara.
And the reason I don't think that Madara(or Izuna, but I don't have logic for that one)is that they both seem to have different agendas, Madara seems more power hungry and the type for world domination by his rule, while Obito wants to create a world under his dominion, but a "peaceful" dominion, like Nagato's quest to destroy nations to bring out "peace", possibly because of his dramatic "death" during the war.

 

[theresurrection]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Ilike your points....could Zetsu not have saved Obito from the cave in?

I don't know if you're talking about my "points" or OP's. I don't even remember what OP said anymore. I personally am not taking this whole "Tobito" thing for face value. It doesn't add up. I think something else is going on still. I was just saying that if I WERE to go along with Tobito, then I think someone HAD to help him out of the cave and fix him up quick. If you're going along with this thing, keep thinking what you just said, because it would make a hell of a lot more sense than what some other guys are saying.

 

[theresurrection]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

OMG o.o ..... That's so brutal but true. But c'mon, it would take someone with much more medical prowess than Tsunade to have saved Obito. and there's nobody in the Narutoverse to have surpassed Tsunade's skill as a medic, even Lee's operation caused her problems, so someone as HORRIBLY maimed like Obito would totally become a lost cause. o.o ........

Lololol unless you have Hashirama's powerzzzzz. Lolz................ the options are limited, but it's still better than the idea of him going from regular old brown eyes to Mangekyou in just a few hours. It's Kishi's only hope if he decides to go for it, you know what I mean?

 

[EternalStudent]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I don't know if you're talking about my "points" or OP's. I don't even remember what OP said anymore. I personally am not taking this whole "Tobito" thing for face value. It doesn't add up. I think something else is going on still. I was just saying that if I WERE to go along with Tobito, then I think someone HAD to help him out of the cave and fix him up quick. If you're going along with this thing, keep thinking what you just said, because it would make a hell of a lot more sense than what some other guys are saying.

lol this whole thing is pretty fun!......only thing Im unsure about is the Mizukge thing....Also, where did Obito get another eye from?

 

[Sharinnigan]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

What timeline of events? You're the ignorant making up excuses and denying the fact Tobi is Obito when Kishi himself just bashed it on your face that it is the truth.

Just accept the manga or go read something else if it hurts you so much geez.

Now, I'm not saying I don't think Tobi is obito, cuz as of right now that's clearly what were supposed to believe. But as far as the timeline of events that that guy was talking about, pretty much has to do with the fact that kakashi guy and obito were all the same age, and during the 9 tailed fox attack "Tobi" seemed to be much older that kakashi and guy were. But that's just my input, I personally believe zetsu saved obitos life and eye by somehow fusing with him during the "time of death"... that or his ms activated as his body was getting crushed an kamui'd his right half out of the dimension with maximum skeletal injuries, but not enough to kill him, then Zetsu came into the mix.. But that's just me.. And for anyone thinking, "you need to see a sibling die, or something very traumatic must happen to you" I'm pretty sure inevitable death by being crushed by boulders, is traumatic enough.. And besides, if it was his first kamui, it would explain why he said he can't feel his right side as well.( even though being crushed would cause him to say that too )

 

[EternalStudent]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

lol this whole thing is pretty fun!......only thing Im unsure about is the Mizukge thing....Also, where did Obito get another eye from?

I guess the Hashi curing brought it back from the mashed potatoes it wouldve been huh?

I wonder why the Tobi before the Konoha attack was long haired (talking to Itachi)??

 

[theresurrection]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

lol this whole thing is pretty fun!......only thing Im unsure about is the Mizukge thing....Also, where did Obito get another eye from?

At some point in the manga it shows Tobi's giant stash of sharingans. Lot's of people forget about that, too (including me for a little while). And yeah this is kinda fun once people actually stop and debate this stuff out.

 

[elxdark]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Guys zetsu will be the "key" trust me. Wait to next chapters

And tobi is indeed obito so deal with it