Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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We all know tobi now, but earlier in the manga, we just saw him as some funky dude who didn't care, I personally think we didn't notice him at all until he was revealed to have a sharingan and a supposed identity of Madara...

Things we know about him (Timeline wise)-

1. He was at the battle of Kanabi bridge and had taken either Obito's- Sharingan, or his whole body. He could also potentially have been Obito.

2/3. Tobi was the one who attacked the village and had taken control of the Nine tailed fox. His level of skill is about the same as Uchiha Madara's to know how without losing control of it.. At this point he had already had Obito's sharingan.

2/3. He had controlled the 4th Mizukage it seems somewhere between this period and when Naruto's Training with Jiraiya had ended.. OR before he even attacked the village. It is known he probably had control of him till he killed him, and released the 3 Tails into a lake for capture.

4. He is known to have helped Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre for as of now, unknown reasons.

5. He hangs back when Sasuke defeats Deidara (presumably to test his powers) and is shown
and thought to be a fodder.

6. Is revealed to have a sharingan in high right eye socket... then proceeds to corrupt Sasuke while giving him "The Truth about Itachi" and completely change his path. It seems Itachi also believed that Tobi was Madara. First time we were given an idea about his supposed identity...H

7. Tobi Continues to use Sasuke and test's his powers...they go to kage summit and troll the whole place. Tobi declares war and identifies his goal.
Then while Sasuke is killing Danzo, he makes - indirectly at that-Sasuke decide to attack his own colleague, Karin and dispose of her after.

8. For unknown reasons, goes to Naruto and gives him "The Truth about Itachi". Intervenes when Kakashi/Naruto find Sasuke, first time we are somehow puzzled as to why Kakashi's Kamui isn't effective on him.

9. Tobi want's the Rinnengan and claims it to be "his eyes to begin with", get's the rinnengan and prepares for battle while making a somewhat risky "forced" alliance with Kabuto by an unknown blackmail Edo Tensei...

10. Tobi comes out with Gedo Mazo to get the 9 tails chakra.. unknown purpose for this either as we believe he needs to collect all the Tailed Beasts to create the 10 tails.

11. Edo Madara is summoned... the "sixth coffin" was Madara? That means Tobi cannot be Madara. Naruto runs into him... and Tobi Claims to be "no one"

12. As battle rages on between Both Madara and the Kages we are enlightened on some never before known facts... Madara didn't die when he faught Hashirama, Madara has the Rinnengan, he hates Senju... Tobi is however fighting Naruto and begins to show little (not very noticeable) signs of fear... He thought it was his sweat when it was actually the rain and felt uneasy for periods within the battle..
13. As battle continues, we find out Kakashi's Kamui dimension and his Space time Ninjutsu dimension are the same... Eventually, Naruto (one of his clones) are sent to the dimension while Tobi is about to get hit by a Bijjuu bomb. Tobi dodges the bomb, but is hit by Naruto's Rasengan Square in the face. Kakashi was believing it was his friend Obito from his squad, and when they see his face they confirm that it looks like Obito...

I understand It's not right to post the so called "Tobi theories" out of the official thread, but I'm not theorizing, I'm thinking broadly... ;)

Possibilities of Identity from these facts...

1. Obito- I didn't believe it at first, but after a VERY, VERY long thought today, I realized that if Madara (or any senior Uchiha) had saved Obito from under the Rock, they could have corrupted him similarly as to how Sasuke had been corrupted by Tobi. This would negate any of the sympathetic feelings that Obito may have had towards the village, and his colleague Kakashi. This would change him as a person completely..

It would almost be like "Sasuke's destiny from the past"... as maybe he was the one granted to "Guide Sasuke into the future"...

What doesn't add up are all the "what If's" and the "Why's"... and "how's" but 599 does not confirm tobi to be Obito, it however does establish that Guy Sensei and Kakashi believe it's Obito. He's old enough/young enough to be Obito by looks as he doesn't look ver older or younger than Guy Sensei, or any of the other people in that graduating class.. we Haven't seen Kakashi's face so we can't really compare Kakashi with them...

What doesn't add up-

- How he was able to control the Mizukage with his sharingan seeing he had only 1 at that point..

-How he met Itachi, and knew a lot about him...

Of course, Madara or the person who saved him could have told him History from the Uchiha Clan Including the deepest secrets and why Obito lives for...



2. Izuna- Would explain motive, age, history, knowledge a lot more. The reason that Nagato's eyes are "his" are because they are Madara's Rinnengan.. Madara was using his brothers eyes to get the EMS.. and Tobi wanted to get them back to their "rightful owner"... That would also explain his connection with Madara with ease, and he could have been the one who had "taken Obito's Body" similarly to Orochimaru's "forbidden jutsu" (with no KNOWN before users).

The more realistic out of the "possibilities" , explains his hatred towards his clan, the village, and his knowledge...

3. Kagami Uchiha- Could be Obito's father, could be Madara's son, who the hell knows- all of these theories about family seem to bug me... so I would call BS on most of them since he was in the Second Hokage's squad.

4. Shisui Uchiha- got both his eyes taken out, gave one to Itachi Danzo stole the other one... but this is where it get's important...

He had one of the best Genjutsu's which ould freely control your opponent.

It might not be important here, but in one of the next one's it might...

5. Shisui Uchiha OR Obito Uchiha's brother-

I don't know but from my knowledge Brothers seems to be the only ones who could obtain the MS which leads to the EMS by taking the brothers eye and the Rinnengan from Senju DNA being implemented into the equation by unknown means.. it would explain a lot, maybe hate, who know's... this could also mean that Shisui is Obito's brother since Shisui is the only known Uchiha to have the MS other than brothers... If he however is Shisui's brother, his ability to control the 4th Mizukage is pointed out right there... brothers, similar abilities, and maybe it's the reason Tobi wanted Shisui's eye's so much...

That's it for now, we could discuss this more, but the point of the thread is that...

Tobi, is indeed a master of deception, he claimed to be Madara, other's thought he was Madara as well until we had obtained revelational information from Edo Madara and His connection with Kakashi/Obito/Uchiha is still so far...

Unknown...


Is he Obito, is he Shisui, could he be Izuna, Kagami, maybe even a Senju or Uzumaki with his knowledge of sealing jutsu? We won't know for sure since they think he's Obito, but we don't know if he's Obito. However from the latest Issue, it's apparent that the right side of his body has been deformed by a serious amount of damage. It could be as stated.. Obito's body, or obito himself if that would be the case. He has explainable connections with Nagato/Madara at this point so Kishi better get his shit straight soon... :

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Obito is fully capable of being tobi, that doesn't mean he still can't be someone else.
 
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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I think you don't understand the difference between fan and fanboy?
Fans of product, music artists, tv shows, and all sort of things called miscues, failures, or bad products crap all the times.If one of my favorite artist makes a bad album, I'm not going to just listen to it and pretend to enjoy because that artist made good albums in the past.Only a fool would accept a fail product, mediocre album, or manga with serious plotholes base on your reasoning.Kishi just made a serious mistake in his story, which makes little to no sense logically.People who don't like it have the right to voice their opinions.And if you don't like it, you should ignore their comments, but don't tell them to become mindless fanboy drones because that's what you are.
Ok, frist of all you don't know me so don't go insulting me and slandering me by calling me a fool or a "mindless fanboy drone" like as a**hole because I'm not and I'm not telling people to become one either. Yes people do have the right to have an opinion but you don't have to go and insult the series by calling it crap because that could offend the people who actually like it. I'm not a "mindless fanboy drone" because Kishimoto didn't tell me to read his manga, I made the choice all on my own and I'm gonna like it no matter what because I'm not bothered by any of "plotholes" that people are ranting about. Like I said before, it's Kishimoto's manga he can do whatever he wants with it and nobody has the right to tell him what to do with HIS manga. And you don't have the right to say that he made a mistake because it's not your manga, you are not in control of it.I couldn't care less if you stopped reading this manga just don't go insulting it. Next time try to think before you decide to be an a**hole to someone. Now good day to you sir or ma'am and have a nice life.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Wow how do you make a thread that is suppose to explain everything and you do nothing but get owned in it. The Databook is all that is needed for the time line. The Databook is basically Kishi's own mouth telling us what is what.
 

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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Kakashi's Kamui Is A Time/Space Technique, And, Who Has The Other Eye, And, Can Use It More Efficiently?? Obito, Which Means, He May Have Time/Space AbilitiesWeHaveNo Idea About, What If He Was Rescued, And, Restored, And, Trained For A Long Time, And Then, He Went Back In Time??
He can't use kamui to travel through time. read this i explained how kamui's ability works in terms of space and time, and i proved that the rate at which time passes is faster in the kamui dimension. that does not however mean that he can control it. or go back in time through it for that matter
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Idiocy runs rampant. Smh..
The whole Ch. 599 just destroyed too many canon events, messed up his own official Databook achievements, and giving abilities to those who don't have them..

If Madara actually fought the 4th Hokage, wouldn't the use of Kamui be apparent now during his battle against the Kage?

Didn't Kakashi go through the long speech of how tracker ninja worked during the Zabuza arc? Every Ninja village has them, so why didn't they dig through the rubble and destroy the body, seeing as it holds many secrets.

Like it or not, Kishimoto made some HUGE mistakes & noticeable inconsistencies. I like the idea of Tobi being Obito, don't get me wrong, but he destroyed the timeline of events. Everything can be calculated in Naruto.. It's why their ages are known & revealed in the first place.
You're right on the mark, too. I had thought of that, too about Madara would have used Kamui during 5 kage battle, cuz people be tryin to mix that shit up, too. And nice reference to Zabuza arc. It's the little inconsistencies (word I was looking for in previous post) that bite everyone on the ass. It's good to see another person who notices, remembers, recognizes these overlookable things for what they are. Mad props, I've been looking for someone like you and NarutoVsGoku on these ignorant forums for ages. It's why I created the account in the first place! PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.
twisted but how this isnt closed...its like ten of these on hottest threads..........
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

gotta love that kishi troll Once sealed in susano's gord you can never escape, orochimaru seemed to just appear like, hi guys im back so its really possible that we will be seeing some more omg wtf come backs in the future.... ( SO6P) im not 100%( speaking in opinion) will be back before the end of naruto to have something to tie in to the end. Just like madara did.
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

It was clearly Obito's body since half of his face was damaged. But the big question is, why Itachi refered to him as "a mere shell of his former self"? And why is Tobi after for a "complete body/host" too just like Orochimaru? This Tobi seems to know the forbidden technique of Oro and is using Obito's body too. What dayya think guys?
Could be just Itachi trying to manipulate Sasuke again. Don't take EVERYTHING Itachi said for face value. Tobi could just be referring to his desire to become a union of him and the juubi. But your intuitions are just as probable in my opinion and I don't doubt you. Just tryin to make you think :)
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Actually Minato asks if he is Madara, then decides he could be someone else who is "long dead." Tobi doesnt clarify whether or not he is Madara, he in fact leaves it open. But reading it again, makes it seem like Minato recognized tobi for who he was, and in disbelief says "no, it couldnt be..." #502 for those who want to check.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You're right on the mark, too. I had thought of that, too about Madara would have used Kamui during 5 kage battle, cuz people be tryin to mix that shit up, too. And nice reference to Zabuza arc. It's the little inconsistencies (word I was looking for in previous post) that bite everyone on the ass. It's good to see another person who notices, remembers, recognizes these overlookable things for what they are. Mad props, I've been looking for someone like you and NarutoVsGoku on these ignorant forums for ages. It's why I created the account in the first place! PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Thank you, dude. :) people tend to forget the ENTIRE series as a whole and don't put facts together correctly, even the smallest quotes can be pulled to catch even more inconsistencies in the manga. I've really yet to see many people counter any of my arguments yet without pulling some far-fetched idea out the blue. Can anyone even explain how Obito would just activate his Sharigan on his death day, and all of a sudden master it & gain the Mangekyou Sharingan all in the same exact day & Kamui himself out of there? That's so IMPOSSIBLE, and if such a thing would happen to someone like Sasuke, everyone would get mad as hell. Timeline of events of Tobi, there's moments happening before Obito was born, and usually when you have your eyes transplanted you're know going to die not long after (a endlessly recurring theme in Naruto as well) talking about the case of Nagato obtaining his Rinnegan from Madara which was also before Obito was born. Nothing's adding up now, ALL because of ONE chapter.
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Well, at the moment I do think Tobi=Obito. Obito's age when he fought Minato will be determined by how old Kakashi currently is now. For now, i'll also believe he was 14 years old at the time. Your proof doesn't really prove things to me though. I'll just wait for things to be explained next week. I won't completely throw all other theories out the window.

Simply because just like people made fun of the Tobi=Obito believers, if it turns out that it is someone else controlling his body then the ones who said it was really Obito without anyone controlling him will be laughed at again. Kishi has trolled us before by making us believe he really was Madara. I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again.

For the moment, I believe Tobi=Obito until proven otherwise. I'll just wait for next week to confirm whether or not he is Obito in both body and mind. It's as simple as that.
 

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obito killed Rin and unlocked his MS..

and Madara saved him in the war and taught him..

Seriously VERY easy explanation.

the one that attacked konoha was madara then obito took over.

wow now that was difficult =.=
is bad !
If Madara was alive, he did his Brainwashing Jutsu and took over Obito's Mind.
Obito did whatever he could to Destroy Kohona. This makes Fighting the 4th THAT more sad. :(
P.s Picture Tobi without the mask when he was holding a Pre-Mature Naruto. Looks like a Baby version of himself.
 

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Izuna, Izuna ,Izuna...didn't know there were so much Izuna fanboys out there, even though he appeared like only once in the manga. I sure hope he's dead and doesn't appear till the end, or we'll have another Lord on our hands pretty soon :rolleyes:
Hop off of Izuna's Nuts man.
"Lord" only works for Sasuke fanboys.
Why must you be a Izuna hater...?

WAIT.

Hold that thought- Before you try to make a "Logical" comeback, I must count the Fuucks I will give in the Effort. Oh, that's right. None. " Sorry! "
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Thank you, dude. :) people tend to forget the ENTIRE series as a whole and don't put facts together correctly, even the smallest quotes can be pulled to catch even more inconsistencies in the manga. I've really yet to see many people counter any of my arguments yet without pulling some far-fetched idea out the blue. Can anyone even explain how Obito would just activate his Sharigan on his death day, and all of a sudden master it & gain the Mangekyou Sharingan all in the same exact day & Kamui himself out of there? That's so IMPOSSIBLE, and if such a thing would happen to someone like Sasuke, everyone would get mad as hell. Timeline of events of Tobi, there's moments happening before Obito was born, and usually when you have your eyes transplanted you're know going to die not long after (a endlessly recurring theme in Naruto as well) talking about the case of Nagato obtaining his Rinnegan from Madara which was also before Obito was born. Nothing's adding up now, ALL because of ONE chapter.
EXACTLY what I've been thinking this entire series. There are inconsistencies like what you're describing all over the place and can be used in so many arguments I've seen in these forums, but I'm usually to lazy to log in and post. And I agree, its believable to have some far-fetched "what if" theories every once in awhile, but you can't pull them out EVERY TIME something happens that JUST DOESN'T ADD UP. This is the biggest plot twist so far, and I'm surprised more people haven't sensed some foul play and have overlooked minor contradictions to their arguments as well as the rediculousness that must have taken place in order to BACK their arguments. I think somethings going on and I hope Kishi reveals it next week.
 

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"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.
Actually, there is evidence of Obito's being 14-ish around the Konoha attack. Let me explain.

Kakashi is 26 in part 1 of the manga. The attack on Konoha took place 12 years before part 1. Kakashi was 14, and looked like a young teenage male when he is shown in one of the flashback chapters describing the Kyubi attack. Tobi on the other hand, has the appearance of a grown ass man during this exact same time period. Additionally, Kakashi was 13 when he was promoted to Jounin, and 599 proved that Obito was still alive around that time period. So to me it seems unrealistic that 13 year old Obito who couldn't hold his own against a Chunnin ranked Might Guy managed to give Minato a run for his money around a year later, while also growing to the point of not being recognized even slightly by his former sensei. If Obito is for sure Tobi, there are some things that most definitely don't seem to add up.

And while I can't think of anytime in the manga in which it was stated that Obito and Kakashi were the exact same age, I think it's safe to assume that they were close enough in age that there body type wouldn't be significantly different, even in their teenage years.

Also, it seems almost inconceivable that Minato wouldn't have recognized his own pupil's fighting tactics when they confronted one another.

Also, 90% of the information Tobi has is seems nearly inaccessible to anyone who wasn't alive during So6P's time period, so I'm still not entirely convinced Obito is Tobi. Or at the very least there has to be a LOT of explaining within the next few chapters. I feel like just because there's Obito's face, there's a lot more going on here than meets the eye so far.
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

EXACTLY what I've been thinking this entire series. There are inconsistencies like what you're describing all over the place and can be used in so many arguments I've seen in these forums, but I'm usually to lazy to log in and post. And I agree, its believable to have some far-fetched "what if" theories every once in awhile, but you can't pull them out EVERY TIME something happens that JUST DOESN'T ADD UP. This is the biggest plot twist so far, and I'm surprised more people haven't sensed some foul play and have overlooked minor contradictions to their arguments as well as the rediculousness that must have taken place in order to BACK their arguments. I think somethings going on and I hope Kishi reveals it next week.
I hope so, too. And I hope he has a real AMAZING reason as to why he chose Obito & not just fan pressure. -_____- I'm surprised at how prideful these people are at finding out yes it's Obito, but not question the NUMEROUS amount of problems that has risen and give complete BS responses to explain their view. Like I said, I've really yet to be countered in these threads but by like one person who made a lot more sense, still found the inconsistency of having obtained the MS in one moment when he just activated the Sharingan that day. He's dug himself into such a huge hole, it's gonna take some real Da Vinci code like explanations to save himself.
 
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