Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some
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DanUchiha57
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I much as it kills me to say it,Tobi is Obito.I just went to Narutopedia and search Tobi and it redirected me to Obito Uchiha's page,now I know that site isnt official but whatever.But I guess I'm just going to deal with the fact that Tobi is Obito and NOT Izuna.I guess will have this all figured out by next chapter.
PS:I still think there a small possibility that Tobi is lying about being Obito just like he did when he said he was Madara and is actually Izuna.
PS:I still think there a small possibility that Tobi is lying about being Obito just like he did when he said he was Madara and is actually Izuna.
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Arcaneos510X
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Re: "tobi" is not obito
another option never close an option even with tobi i supposed it has not been confirmed yet but i thought he was kagami...
Cosmic Path
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UchihaMadara10
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
what have u answered till now???????u r just stating every plot-hole to be invalid.
what have u answered till now???????u r just stating every plot-hole to be invalid.
Bloodytaste
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
thats the man
who starts
the 4 shinobi world war
deal with it
so kishi is trolling for u for me he is doing the rgiht thing, it would not bring up any climatic change to make kakashi and guy see a face they do not know.
Well wait for upcoming chapters, hope that then all will be convinced, still i guess even if obito says he is obito some will still say he just lied like he did about beeing madara...really if it goes this far i will be just mouthing off like Obito did v_v
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thats the man
who starts
the 4 shinobi world war
deal with it
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so kishi is trolling for u for me he is doing the rgiht thing, it would not bring up any climatic change to make kakashi and guy see a face they do not know.
Well wait for upcoming chapters, hope that then all will be convinced, still i guess even if obito says he is obito some will still say he just lied like he did about beeing madara...really if it goes this far i will be just mouthing off like Obito did v_v
TheRealAkatsukiLeader
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Everyone's butthurt and calling Kishi a bad writer because tobi wasn't there theory. There could've been 3 tobis for all we know. Cure your butthurt and come back with some sense.
Your the fool here, there is no plot holes and it's just a shit excuse because your butthurt on tobis identity. Plot holes can't even be used, plot isn't even over! We don't know what happened we can only make theories and assume.
Everyone's butthurt and calling Kishi a bad writer because tobi wasn't there theory. There could've been 3 tobis for all we know. Cure your butthurt and come back with some sense.
----MY TOBI/Obito THEORY----
I think Obito has the "0- tailed" beast (which is the soul of the original juubi because think about it he was spilt into 9 parts but what happened to HIM?) sealed inside of him and that near death experience awakened it. Now he's being pocessed by it. This also explains the reference to Tobi claiming to he " no one" because the juubi isn't anyone but a shell of his former self. The whole " infinite tsukyomi" is a bluff so that juubi can have his body and soul back at full power. And lastly Tobi is Obito because think about it, if it was anyone else who would give a shit? *masks falls off and it's izuna* --* no one recognizes or cares then proceeds to killing him* And the juubi was just using everyone including Madara and Nagato and this war to get what he wants, his body and full power.
Any plot holes or objection to my theory?? Let me know.
I think Obito has the "0- tailed" beast (which is the soul of the original juubi because think about it he was spilt into 9 parts but what happened to HIM?) sealed inside of him and that near death experience awakened it. Now he's being pocessed by it. This also explains the reference to Tobi claiming to he " no one" because the juubi isn't anyone but a shell of his former self. The whole " infinite tsukyomi" is a bluff so that juubi can have his body and soul back at full power. And lastly Tobi is Obito because think about it, if it was anyone else who would give a shit? *masks falls off and it's izuna* --* no one recognizes or cares then proceeds to killing him* And the juubi was just using everyone including Madara and Nagato and this war to get what he wants, his body and full power.
Any plot holes or objection to my theory?? Let me know.
MissShakra
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i believe Izuna didnt really die, i think he survived somehow and then later had to replace his body. Zetzu is the only explanation i can think of for now, but somehow Tobi found out about Obito and retreived the body. Obito's mind and soul is not in there at all, or at least hes unaware of what hes doing. There arent any good explanations for Obito being Tobi besides that....it just doesnt make sense that Tobi really is all Obito...
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
The guy who started this thread really has no experience in making threads.You dont want to sound like an ignorant brat,or your going to get replies with a lot of,....well....ah.....for example,you ingnorant b**terd or a lot of heat(if that makes sense).So this thread should be closed cuz you guys are just wasting your energy.I dont understand,why are you guys making assumptions,since it will be only logical after a couple more chapters are released.We hardly have any info.
To the guy who made this thread,let me tell you something.......you sound like you know everything,and you say that the timeline and other things are incorrect since theres no proof and just assumption,BUT YOUR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS TOO,WHICH ARENT EVEN AS LOGICAL AS OURS.Sorry bro if you find this offensive,but deal with it.U_U
The guy who started this thread really has no experience in making threads.You dont want to sound like an ignorant brat,or your going to get replies with a lot of,....well....ah.....for example,you ingnorant b**terd or a lot of heat(if that makes sense).So this thread should be closed cuz you guys are just wasting your energy.I dont understand,why are you guys making assumptions,since it will be only logical after a couple more chapters are released.We hardly have any info.
To the guy who made this thread,let me tell you something.......you sound like you know everything,and you say that the timeline and other things are incorrect since theres no proof and just assumption,BUT YOUR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS TOO,WHICH ARENT EVEN AS LOGICAL AS OURS.Sorry bro if you find this offensive,but deal with it.U_U
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Re: "tobi" is not obito
It is possible that it could be obito if Kishimoto has a exotic tale to tell in the next manga like lets say Madara found Obito and trained him and then Obito killed Madara and took his rinnegan and gave it to Nagato, but there is a hole in even that theory.
Masked man gave the rinnegan to Nagato, Jiraiya trained Nagato before he even went back to the village to train the 4th hokage so how could he have given the rinnegan to Nagato, that would make him the same age as the 4th who actually trained Obito.
SOUL TRANSFER, which is why he said Nagato's jutsu he used to put peoples souls back in their body was meant for him.
I agree, if it is Obito Kishimoto has alot of explaining to do. Showing me a manga chapter with just mostly images and no actual information and then showing Obito's face is bullshit.
It is possible that it could be obito if Kishimoto has a exotic tale to tell in the next manga like lets say Madara found Obito and trained him and then Obito killed Madara and took his rinnegan and gave it to Nagato, but there is a hole in even that theory.
Masked man gave the rinnegan to Nagato, Jiraiya trained Nagato before he even went back to the village to train the 4th hokage so how could he have given the rinnegan to Nagato, that would make him the same age as the 4th who actually trained Obito.
SOUL TRANSFER, which is why he said Nagato's jutsu he used to put peoples souls back in their body was meant for him.
Bloodytaste
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
itachis words just match so fine about tobi beeing obito~ Maybe Itachi really knew it, we only can guess...
ur sig and ur words got me done a +rep
itachis words just match so fine about tobi beeing obito~ Maybe Itachi really knew it, we only can guess...
NarutoVsGoku
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Oh gosh where the hell was i when you made this ridiculous thread? how come know one alerted me? no Bat signal, my Spider Senses didnt go off and the mayor didnt call the Powerpuff hotline....
i didnt go through the 5 pages but i imagine that its full of tards commending you on this bullshit, err i mean your "explanations"... fact is you didnt explain anything.. you just made arguements like "well theres no proof for Obito's age so ha"...
anyways getting to the point i will destroy your points..
how do we know? because the databook says that Kakashi is 27 years old during part one. so that means Kakashi is 30 now after the 3 year timeskip. he is 30 right? so 16 years ago, the night Naruto was born and the Kyuubi attack, Kakashi was 14. so that means Obito was also 14 because Kakashi and Obito are the same age or roughly around.
Obito with his experience and based on what he showned in the Kakashi gaiden and even the flashback of 599 could not have competed like he supposedly did agaisnt Minato as the masked man on the night of the Kyuubi attack. this arguement is valid and you did not properly address it..
and your arguements are invalid. your comparing Obito with Naruto and it just doesnt work. Obito supposedly used his ocular powers to control Kyuubi. the only person who is knowned to have that power and ability to do that is Madara Uchiha. no other doujutsu user. even though its possible for other doujutsu users, Madara is the only one who had that strength as said by Itachi during his talk with Sasuke at the Uchiha monument.
also Naruto used his own strength many times in his fights. most times. he only used Kyuubi agaisnt Haku, Sasuke at the Valley, Deidara, Orochimaru, and Pain. and this is counting the times before he had controlled. all those times Naruto nearly lost control of himself and of the power of kyuubi. he gained control of Kyuubi with the aid of Bee, Yamato and even Kushina. and its just recently that the Kyuubi finally came around and started cooperating with Naruto so no Naruto did not overcome the Kyuubi all on his own. it took him 3 years to defeat Kyuubi plus he had help and it took him time to even get the Kyuubi to like him and lend him all his power without threat of death. Obito in 1 year could not have been able to control a bijuu, the strongest bijuu, compared to what took Naruto forever and with aid.
so no comparing Obito and Naruto in controlling Kyuubi is invalid.. also let me add that Obito used doujutsu while Naruto is a jinchuriki and had to overcome Kyuubis will with his
we dont know how Mizukage was controlled so there is no point of bringing up genjutsus or Shisui and Danzo and Itachi. thats irrelevant.. hell even Sasuke can manipulate someone into telling him and giving him information. it just doesnt have to be a mind control on the level of what Shisuis eye could do....
but true Obito was such a noob with his sharingan, how he was able to control Mizukage is a valid question..
dont mistake fact for assumptions buddy... fact is that we have a flashback of Nagato activating his Rinnegan for the first time but we arent sure if the eyes were always originally his or not.. we dont know if its Madara who gave it to him or Tobi.
riiiiiight.... when you do something immoral, that is the definition of evil. just because you have a reason or a goal behind it doesnt make it any better. Tobi's aspiration is selfish. even Nagato and Sasuke are wrong in their ways of doing things, thats why Nagato changed his ways after Narutos talk no jutsu.
Tobi is killing people trying to cast infinite Tsukiyomi to end wars, thats a just cause but an immoral way of doing it, it is evil, the ends doesnt justify the means....
but to address the topic, it destroys Obitos character for turning evil because he was the metaphorical Naruto of his generation. he was selfless, pure, innocent and caring like Naruto. he dreamed of becoming Hokage and he taught Kakashi that "obeying the rules is scum but abonding your friends is worse then scum". Kakashi instilled these teachings in his pupils and this message is still previlant in the Naruto plot and we see that with Narutos relentless efforts to pursue his best friend Sasuke. never giving up on Sasuke despite everyone around him telling him to, because the teaching that Obito once said. and now that same person who said the message that is basically the plot of Naruto Shippuden is also the main villian? it destroys Obito as a character...
so you are right for asking "why are you suprised?" because Naruto isnt DBZ where dead people just come back to life out of nowhere. its bs..
hell as strong as Naruto is tell me why he still needs help from Bee, Kakashi and Guy facing Obito, when Obito was just a punk kid who had a basic sharingan prior to his death?
if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.
thats the thing we cant disprove anything about Zetsu, so people like you take it that anything can be true about Zetsu... you dont get it? think about it..
anyways Obito did not live in the generation of Hashirama and Madara, he wasnt there during the age of countless wars, or during the foundation of the leaf, he wasnt there and he couldnt have gained that knowledge because he didnt even have a sharingan to read the tablets, he didnt have the sharingan ms ems or rinnegan before his death. so my only guess is he gained all that knowledge after his death, how gained all that knowledge about Hashirama and Madara and the leaf and even about the Sage and the 10 tailed is a big freaking question... could also be a plot hole but im sure Kishi will give us a bs explanation for all of this soon
Oh gosh where the hell was i when you made this ridiculous thread? how come know one alerted me? no Bat signal, my Spider Senses didnt go off and the mayor didnt call the Powerpuff hotline....
i didnt go through the 5 pages but i imagine that its full of tards commending you on this bullshit, err i mean your "explanations"... fact is you didnt explain anything.. you just made arguements like "well theres no proof for Obito's age so ha"...
anyways getting to the point i will destroy your points..
Tobi is Obito.. agreed. 599 makes that clear but 599 is full of plotholes and contradictions itself and so is the fact that Obito turned out to be Tobi.. that much is true whether you agree or not...
it is a valid arguement and just because you dont see it as one doesnt make it not to be. the fact that you dont see it as valid doesnt shock me neither. Obito died at the age of 13 during the 3rd ninja war. the event of the kyuubi attack happened a year later. so Obito would have been 14 when fighting Minato.
how do we know? because the databook says that Kakashi is 27 years old during part one. so that means Kakashi is 30 now after the 3 year timeskip. he is 30 right? so 16 years ago, the night Naruto was born and the Kyuubi attack, Kakashi was 14. so that means Obito was also 14 because Kakashi and Obito are the same age or roughly around.
you do not even properly address the arguement that you are argueing agaisnt. the arguement is that Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience. this means that Tobi was a challenege to Minato, he caused Minato's death, death of Kushina, he infiltrated the Leaf, and controlled the Kyuubi. you answer by saying Obito did not defeat Minato.. no one is talking about defeat here, we are talking about the fact that Obito/Tobi seemed to have put up a great fight agaisnt Minato.
Obito with his experience and based on what he showned in the Kakashi gaiden and even the flashback of 599 could not have competed like he supposedly did agaisnt Minato as the masked man on the night of the Kyuubi attack. this arguement is valid and you did not properly address it..
i addressed his age earlier.. let me ask you this.. how old do you think he was? how much time do you THINK had passed in between the 3rd war and Naruto's birth? please answer those two questions so we make things clear here..
and your arguements are invalid. your comparing Obito with Naruto and it just doesnt work. Obito supposedly used his ocular powers to control Kyuubi. the only person who is knowned to have that power and ability to do that is Madara Uchiha. no other doujutsu user. even though its possible for other doujutsu users, Madara is the only one who had that strength as said by Itachi during his talk with Sasuke at the Uchiha monument.
also Naruto used his own strength many times in his fights. most times. he only used Kyuubi agaisnt Haku, Sasuke at the Valley, Deidara, Orochimaru, and Pain. and this is counting the times before he had controlled. all those times Naruto nearly lost control of himself and of the power of kyuubi. he gained control of Kyuubi with the aid of Bee, Yamato and even Kushina. and its just recently that the Kyuubi finally came around and started cooperating with Naruto so no Naruto did not overcome the Kyuubi all on his own. it took him 3 years to defeat Kyuubi plus he had help and it took him time to even get the Kyuubi to like him and lend him all his power without threat of death. Obito in 1 year could not have been able to control a bijuu, the strongest bijuu, compared to what took Naruto forever and with aid.
so no comparing Obito and Naruto in controlling Kyuubi is invalid.. also let me add that Obito used doujutsu while Naruto is a jinchuriki and had to overcome Kyuubis will with his
bullshit.. "lil is known about Mizukage" bullshit arguement.. fact is a masked man had been controlling Mizukage during his reign. Mizukage admitted it, Mei Terumi the current Mizukage knew of it and was furious with Tobi and Akatsuki because of that fact, we saw the flashback of Kisame where he witnesses that. and assuming that the long haired masked man is Tobi/Obito then that means that there is a plot hole to how that happened.
we dont know how Mizukage was controlled so there is no point of bringing up genjutsus or Shisui and Danzo and Itachi. thats irrelevant.. hell even Sasuke can manipulate someone into telling him and giving him information. it just doesnt have to be a mind control on the level of what Shisuis eye could do....
but true Obito was such a noob with his sharingan, how he was able to control Mizukage is a valid question..
oh it was Madara who gave Nagato Rinnegan? is that fact or a speculation you made there? an assumption? if it is fact please show me the exact manga page that shows Madara giving Nagato the rinnegan. i can show you the manga page that shows Nagato activating it for what to him is his first time using it.
dont mistake fact for assumptions buddy... fact is that we have a flashback of Nagato activating his Rinnegan for the first time but we arent sure if the eyes were always originally his or not.. we dont know if its Madara who gave it to him or Tobi.
again your mixing your own theories with fact. where does it show that Zetsu is Madaras asisstant? where? no where...
yes because starting a secret organization to kidnap people from their villages and murder them by extracting their tailed beast isnt evil. starting a whole war against the shinobi world just to reawaken a legendary beast that once plagued the world to use its power to cast the world in an iffinite illusion where dreams and aspirations are no longer relevant to the common person is not evil... when he snapped Torunes neck and sacrificed Fus body just so he could see how Edo Tensi works, is not evil...
riiiiiight.... when you do something immoral, that is the definition of evil. just because you have a reason or a goal behind it doesnt make it any better. Tobi's aspiration is selfish. even Nagato and Sasuke are wrong in their ways of doing things, thats why Nagato changed his ways after Narutos talk no jutsu.
Tobi is killing people trying to cast infinite Tsukiyomi to end wars, thats a just cause but an immoral way of doing it, it is evil, the ends doesnt justify the means....
but to address the topic, it destroys Obitos character for turning evil because he was the metaphorical Naruto of his generation. he was selfless, pure, innocent and caring like Naruto. he dreamed of becoming Hokage and he taught Kakashi that "obeying the rules is scum but abonding your friends is worse then scum". Kakashi instilled these teachings in his pupils and this message is still previlant in the Naruto plot and we see that with Narutos relentless efforts to pursue his best friend Sasuke. never giving up on Sasuke despite everyone around him telling him to, because the teaching that Obito once said. and now that same person who said the message that is basically the plot of Naruto Shippuden is also the main villian? it destroys Obito as a character...
Obito being dead, that is a plot hole that now out of nowhere he is alive.. he was under boulders, no mountains of rocks and now hes alive.. it doesnt make sense.. listen Naruto is turing out to be like DBZ where death has no consequences. yea Orochimaru came back, and that was bullshit as well. mad dead ninjas came back because of Edo Tensi. hell i wouldnt be suprised if Jiraiya and the first 4 Hokages somehow came back with all this bullshit plot hole twists going on...
so you are right for asking "why are you suprised?" because Naruto isnt DBZ where dead people just come back to life out of nowhere. its bs..
again comparing apples and oranges.. your arguement is invalid and fallible... Naruto didnt "die" and comeback a year later as a mega powerhouse able to compete with the 4th Hokage, control a mizukage, begin a secret organiztion controlling the worlds most notorious villians and wage war on the whole ninja war...
hell as strong as Naruto is tell me why he still needs help from Bee, Kakashi and Guy facing Obito, when Obito was just a punk kid who had a basic sharingan prior to his death?
if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.
smfh.... again there is no fact at all in your arguement. its just retarded.. we dont know shit about Zetsu and you use that as you cop out to answer valid question like these.. you cant say nothing about Zetsu.. we dont know his backstory or anything.. for all you know Zetsu could be Hashirama son, and based on your style of argueing i am justified in saying that Zetsu is son of Hashirama. why? because theres nothing to prove or disprove that he is..
thats the thing we cant disprove anything about Zetsu, so people like you take it that anything can be true about Zetsu... you dont get it? think about it..
anyways Obito did not live in the generation of Hashirama and Madara, he wasnt there during the age of countless wars, or during the foundation of the leaf, he wasnt there and he couldnt have gained that knowledge because he didnt even have a sharingan to read the tablets, he didnt have the sharingan ms ems or rinnegan before his death. so my only guess is he gained all that knowledge after his death, how gained all that knowledge about Hashirama and Madara and the leaf and even about the Sage and the 10 tailed is a big freaking question... could also be a plot hole but im sure Kishi will give us a bs explanation for all of this soon
Ridoku Sennin
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The only thing i can come up with is that:
Izuna after losing his eyes used the same forbidden jutsu as orochimaru to take someones body over,
When Obito (almost) died, Izuna needed another body(every 3 years right?) and took obito`s,
Orochimaru wanted sasukes body for his powers, so if Izuna took Obitos body that way its sure that he could use obito`s Space-Time potential.
It explaines the knowledge of obito(/tobi/izuna).
Therefore there could be a connection between izuna/tobi/obito and orochimaru, and that could be the reason next chapter we will see oro and explanation.
Sorry for bad englishxD
Izuna after losing his eyes used the same forbidden jutsu as orochimaru to take someones body over,
When Obito (almost) died, Izuna needed another body(every 3 years right?) and took obito`s,
Orochimaru wanted sasukes body for his powers, so if Izuna took Obitos body that way its sure that he could use obito`s Space-Time potential.
It explaines the knowledge of obito(/tobi/izuna).
Therefore there could be a connection between izuna/tobi/obito and orochimaru, and that could be the reason next chapter we will see oro and explanation.
Sorry for bad englishxD
Re: "tobi" is not obito
I originally thought it was obito when he made his first appearance in the Manga but then common logic to over and I realized it could not be him due to the timeline plus even if you could get the timeline to work some way some how, where is the motive for Obito to want to take over the ninja world.
Possibly he's mad because Kakashi let Rin die but thats reaching. Kabuto said the real Madara did not die right after he fought the 1st hokage and awoken his rinnegan so I'm sure he will be tied into this somehow.
I originally thought it was obito when he made his first appearance in the Manga but then common logic to over and I realized it could not be him due to the timeline plus even if you could get the timeline to work some way some how, where is the motive for Obito to want to take over the ninja world.
Possibly he's mad because Kakashi let Rin die but thats reaching. Kabuto said the real Madara did not die right after he fought the 1st hokage and awoken his rinnegan so I'm sure he will be tied into this somehow.
Nooby Kyuubi
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
This explain shit. Your "explanations" to these plot holes are opinionated and you don't even provide %100 evidence either, so stfu. You're making yourself sound like a jackass.
This explain shit. Your "explanations" to these plot holes are opinionated and you don't even provide %100 evidence either, so stfu. You're making yourself sound like a jackass.
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