why obito timeline makes sense as well as madara knowing nagato and obito

[New Era]

Madara died before/during 2nd great ninja war, Obito wasn't alive at that moment.

is there actually proof for that

because tsunade say senju dna in a uchiha gives long life

also madara admits to surviving hashirama fight

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he just doesn't say when exactly he died.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

is there actually proof for that

because tsunade say senju dna in a uchiha gives long life

According to Madara he was alive during when Nagato was a child/infant

 

[New Era]

According to Madara he was alive during when Nagato was a child/infant

yes that is true but is there proof that madara died at that war.

nagato could have got the rinnegan from a trait if madara was nagato father like how the sage of six path gave his son a type of rinnegan.

it doesn't have to be that nagato has madara uchiha real eyes

 

[garas56]

it dasint make any sense 1.Obito operated in secret, only using Madara's name during his private meetings with Nagato, the figurehead he uses to lead the criminal-organization, Akatsuki. Although Nagato believes that Obito really is Madara, the actual Madara also has some knowledge of Nagato's existence and abilities. Likewise, Obito has claimed that he encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki and that he "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato. Both events occurred before Obito's supposed death, further complicating the truth of Obito's history.2Before he starts publicly operating as Madara, Obito uses the name "Tobi" during his interactions with others. He wears a swirl-pattern mask that focuses around his right eye: a Sharingan, the counterpart to the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi. Obito has been able to evolve this Sharingan into a Mangekyō Sharingan. Although his mask covers the left-half of his face, it is later revealed that he has a second Sharingan in his left eye. He has many other Sharingan in storage. Also in his possession is a sample of Hashirama Senju's DNA - acquired around the time of Madara's supposed death - which he uses to make copies of Zetsu. Zetsu knows that Obito is not Madara and persists in referring to him as Tobi.3Obito's actions over the following years are largely unknown. He at some point became intimately familiar with the history of Madara Uchiha, an early Uchiha who helped create Konoha and had the power to control the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. He also began to share Madara's ideas and beliefs: an animosity towards Konoha and its Senju clan; a special interest in the Nine-Tails and other tailed beasts; the Eye of the Moon Plan. Although Madara is believed to have died shortly after the founding of Konoha - an event that took place decades before Obito's birth - he is aware of Obito and his goals.The nature of their relationship is unclear.So its cant be obito or many things of this story haw plotholes,ant bad timelines. Do u think obito revived his Rinegan and gived it to Nagato?or known anything about him brfore his own death?do u think he knows everything about the past of Madara,hashirama or rikudo? how,why,when? its meny questiones.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

yes that is true but is there proof that madara died at that war.

nagato could have got the rinnegan from a trait if madara was nagato father like how the sage of six path gave his son a type of rinnegan.

it doesn't have to be that nagato has madara uchiha real eyes

No he was alive when Nagato was a child possibly teenager as he called Oonki a brat when he was like a teenager i think.I believe this was during the end of 2nd ninja war but no solid evidence either way really..I would say he was because of that Meeting with Itachi with his long hair but thats a guess

about the Madara is Nagatos father thing i was one of the first people who said it and its definitely a plausible possibility

 

[Prime Rib]

Guys its time to just put this behind us when i make this post

tobi/obito as many think now sense we have "seen him" has been around before even obito was born? jiriya met the ame orphans who were about 7-10 years old and decided to teach them, now jiriya spent what 3 years with them? they would be like 10-13-ish maybe older,he went back to the leaf, thats when he found minato who was like 10 years old, and trained him, now lets do the math, we no for a fact minato was in his 20s but not 30, and when he had his team, with obito,rin,kakashi, kakashi was 13 when he became a jonin that day, so now that tells you that both nagato and konan are a little bit older or the same age as minato, so how can tobi be in the leaf village

 

[New Era]

1.it dasint make any sense 1.Obito operated in secret, only using Madara's name during his private meetings with Nagato, the figurehead he uses to lead the criminal-organization, Akatsuki.

2.Although Nagato believes that Obito really is Madara, the actual Madara also has some knowledge of Nagato's existence and abilities. Likewise, Obito has claimed that he encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki and that he "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato.

3.Both events occurred before Obito's supposed death, further complicating the truth of Obito's history.2Before he starts publicly operating as Madara, Obito uses the name "Tobi" during his interactions with others. He wears a swirl-pattern mask that focuses around his right eye: a Sharingan, the counterpart to the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi. Obito has been able to evolve this Sharingan into a Mangekyō Sharingan. Although his mask covers the left-half of his face, it is later revealed that he has a second Sharingan in his left eye. He has many other Sharingan in storage.

4.Also in his possession is a sample of Hashirama Senju's DNA - acquired around the time of Madara's supposed death - which he uses to make copies of Zetsu. Zetsu knows that Obito is not Madara and persists in referring to him as Tobi.

5.3Obito's actions over the following years are largely unknown. He at some point became intimately familiar with the history of Madara Uchiha, an early Uchiha who helped create Konoha and had the power to control the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox.

He also began to share Madara's ideas and beliefs: an animosity towards Konoha and its Senju clan; a special interest in the Nine-Tails and other tailed beasts; the Eye of the Moon Plan.

Although Madara is believed to have died shortly after the founding of Konoha - an event that took place decades before Obito's birth - he is aware of Obito and his goals.The nature of their relationship is unclear.So its cant be obito or many things of this story haw plotholes,ant bad timelines.

1.obito was only able to manipulate nagato because unlike obito,nagato was in amekagure was born with the rinnegan(he awakened it) at least from what we have seen and madara could have made what nagato saw an illusion or could have been what nagato actually saw to force nagato to unlock it.(what i am saying is madara uchiha manipulated nagato life the real madara uchiha with out nagato knowing)

so nagato had alot of hate with in him and if madara uchiha(real one) actually made the akatsuki and if zetsu and madara uchiha actually saved obito then obito would know the whole story and manipulate nagato since obito knows the nakara shrine, obito actually looks like madara can say he is him and tell nagato what true peace is and also madara uchiha created the akatsuki.

2. that was obito acting up like how he can change his personality obito is a good actor the real madara uchiha did that and gave that knowledge to obito so that he can make sure the moon eye plan is in motion.

3. the real madara uchiha met yahiko but nagato and konan did not know since they believed that yahiko started it but it was actually madara uchiha but tobi came back to claim the akatsuki once setsu fixed his face.

4.we know that tobi(obito) is not tobi but madara uchiha was the only one to get the dna and he had to create zetsu and madara never died and also had hashirama dna inside himself so madara would actually have a long life which tsunade says.
5.if madara uchiha and zetsu saved obito, obito would know there secret so in order so obito would be force to join them madara could have esily persuaded obito to join him and just tell obito there history because obito(tobi talks) like he is madara himself, obito is just an actor he knows every detail from zetsu and madara.

 

[New Era]

No he was alive when Nagato was a child possibly teenager as he called Oonki a brat when he was like a teenager i think.I believe this was during the end of 2nd ninja war but no solid evidence either way really..I would say he was because of that Meeting with Itachi with his long hair but thats a guess

about the Madara is Nagatos father thing i was one of the first people who said it and its definitely a plausible possibility

yes

Guys its time to just put this behind us when i make this post

tobi/obito as many think now sense we have "seen him" has been around before even obito was born? jiriya met the ame orphans who were about 7-10 years old and decided to teach them, now jiriya spent what 3 years with them? they would be like 10-13-ish maybe older,he went back to the leaf, thats when he found minato who was like 10 years old, and trained him, now lets do the math, we no for a fact minato was in his 20s but not 30, and when he had his team, with obito,rin,kakashi, kakashi was 13 when he became a jonin that day, so now that tells you that both nagato and konan are a little bit older or the same age as minato, so how can tobi be in the leaf village

age does not matter

this is what matters the fact that madara took hashirama senju dna that changed everything.

madara gets a long life

the fact that also obito had zetsu goo(hashirama dna) which now gives obito the ability to tame the nine tails and get a powerful sharingan.

so obito would have been powerful and can wait to take kushina once her seal gets weaker but the thing was that instead of kushina seal getting weak overtime she got pregnant but obito was ready at any time.

if zetsu and madara found obito they can tell obito the history of madara uchiha himself and the world so obito can act like madara uchiha, tobi is a good actor.

also if obito was in war he would need konoha pass code to enter the village if he went out to fight so that explains why tobi can sneak in.

also take in the fact that if zetsu helped obito know that kushina was pregnet since zetsu is land himself then he can teleport to that location and tobi was sneaking into the village before so he knew the pass code so tobi sneaking in makes sense and why he knew where kushina birth place was as well since zetsu and knows where they are and can easily talk to tobi so that he can know where kushina is.

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[garas56]

1.obito was only able to manipulate nagato because unlike obito,nagato was in amekagure was born with the rinnegan(he awakened it) at least from what we have seen and madara could have made what nagato saw an illusion or could have been what nagato actually saw to force nagato to unlock it.(what i am saying is madara uchiha manipulated nagato life the real madara uchiha with out nagato knowing)

so nagato had alot of hate with in him and if madara uchiha(real one) actually made the akatsuki and if zetsu and madara uchiha actually saved obito then obito would know the whole story and manipulate nagato since obito knows the nakara shrine, obito actually looks like madara can say he is him and tell nagato what true peace is and also madara uchiha created the akatsuki.

2. that was obito acting up like how he can change his personality obito is a good actor the real madara uchiha did that and gave that knowledge to obito so that he can make sure the moon eye plan is in motion.

3. the real madara uchiha met yahiko but nagato and konan did not know since they believed that yahiko started it but it was actually madara uchiha but tobi came back to claim the akatsuki once setsu fixed his face.

4.we know that tobi(obito) is not tobi but madara uchiha was the only one to get the dna and he had to create zetsu and madara never died and also had hashirama dna inside himself so madara would actually have a long life which tsunade says.
5.if madara uchiha and zetsu saved obito, obito would know there secret so in order so obito would be force to join them madara could have esily persuaded obito to join him and just tell obito there history because obito(tobi talks) like he is madara himself, obito is just an actor he knows every detail from zetsu and madara.

Madara Uchiha has died by losing to hashirama thats the real story so Madara culdint save obito in Third Shinobi World War it's imposible,Madara was died before Nagatos birth so it's also can't be true.The zetsu part may be posible and yet i dont want to say anything before we know more.

 

[New Era]

Madara Uchiha has died by losing to hashirama thats the real story so Madara culdint save obito in Third Shinobi World War it's imposible,Madara was died before Nagatos birth so it's also can't be true.The zetsu part may be posible and yet i dont want to say anything before we know more.

he survived

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there no proof that madara died that early but tsunade says that when you have senju dna in a uchiha body your immortal/long life so madara could have lived that long.

 

[supino]

for Madara to know Obito and Nagato, he must have lived longer than what people thought and since we still do not know when he died or where was he buried, we will have to wait and see. it makes sense... if Kabuto found his grave in order to collect a sample then it makes more sense that Madara survived VOTE and lived for some time elsewhere and was buried there. makes sense in a way, easier to get a 15-20 year old grave than a 70 or 80 year old one.

 

[Chatte]

orochimaru never died he gained some type of immmortaility by transferring bodies.
in the data book says that he was sacrificed for his clan so madara did want his eyes but izuna power was taken and i think tobi said he died on the battle field but izuna was in there there house in the coffin

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madara died shortly after so he might have not gotten the chance to get izuna and revive him since he died shortly afterwards but we don't know how he died the izuna theory could have a chance but i think tobi/obito is just lost or being used/manipulated.

What makes you think that Kishi would not find a possible Jutsu to explain Izuna's revival as well?

Izuna gave his eyes willingly to Madara

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He didn't died shortly after, he left the others believe he died shortly after.

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After that time, what he could've possibly done is what I stated you above.

 

[garas56]

he survived

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there no proof that madara died that early but tsunade says that when you have senju dna in a uchiha body your immortal/long life so madara could have lived that long.

this is just a guess no confirmation as many theories,after all, he was resurrected by Edo Tensei what should mean that he died then who else could kill madara if not hasirama?:shrug: