Theories to explain plotholes regarding tobi=obito

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Hi friends , i was really surprised to find out tobi has obitio's body, though we don't know anything abt his soul , but we will see

So i watched all the previous episodes involving tobi and tried to analyze the plotholes

As of now , i made this thread just to share my theories that may fill the plotholes.

First i want to state that I think that Madara and obito are related , more like madara is his grandfather. at first madara saved him due to their relation but later madara saw the hidden potential in obito's ms , otherwise i see no reason why anybody would want to take over a half dead body

And one thing my theories include a lot of zetsu stuff xd

I may or may not be right , its just my opinions

1)How obito survived the rock :

Zetsu was madara's accomplice and i think madara ordered zetsu to keep an eye on obito , so when obito was going to be crushed , zetsu must have shielded his face protecting his eye .It's clear that his face was not crushed otherwise he would not have been able to move his left jaw and speak

2)Attack on konoha :

I think it was madara's soul who was inside tobi's body this time using that orochimaru's technique.However Obito's body was not strong enough during this time ,so he made half of his body using ZETSU stuff,that's why he gained so much height ,yep that's why we see his left arm being dripped away during tobi vs obito ,which was never damaged by the rock , so to make obito's body stronger and to increase his height , madara used white zetsu to do that, this may also explains the unbeliavable power gain which obito cant get in such a short time as he had madara's power.

3)Rinnegan to nagato :

Tobi DID NOT GIVE THE RINNEGAN to nagato , maybe it was madara himself , or maybe Tobi was lying as usual , though it is unlikely that he would lie to a dying konan

4)Controlling Yagura :

Just watch the episode Where kisame gets a flashback before he died , we see that the person who was controlling the mizukage had bandages on his arm , this further strengthens the theory that madara was using orochimarus techniques for switching bodies or something similiar, what i believe is that it was madara who was controlling yagura , but he was not in obito's body , he was in someone else's body because if you consider the time periods , obito should have been in konoha back then

5)Changed dreams , attitudes , goals

I don't even consider this as a plothole , even nagato was a good person with good goals before yahiko died , so i believe that something must have happened that changed obito's beliefs , this has much likely something to do with rin

6)Kisame recognizes tobi ?

This is one plothole which i can't understand , remember how tobi removed his mask and showed his face to kisame , kisame said madara , so the only possible thing is that tobi must have used henge no jutsu , or that he and madara have good resemblence , just like how izuna and sasuke look like each other.

7)so much knowledge about zetsu , so6p , madara etc

This is due to zetsu , no doubt about it , zetsu is a treasure house for knowledge , he is an excellent ally for getting knowledge.

Lastly guys i think that the soul inside obito's body is not obito's , its someone else most likely madara

So what do you guys think about the theories ?
 
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Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.
True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.
Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.
The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts. :)
 
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