About tsukuyomi and its misconceptions

[markdabomb22]

I'm reposting this thread because one i had only one response because no one saw it due to NB freezing and two to get a break from the shitstorm that 599 has brought upon us in the forum so enjoy .

From what i have been seeing there is a good amount of members that honestly have no idea about the functions of tsukuyomi. So i'm going to posting info directly from the databooks about tsukuyomi and addressing some of the misconceptions about this tech. I will try to keep this thread as short as possible. READ THE ENTIRE THREAD OR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN STAND BEFORE POSTING

Lets start with the databook info on this jutsu...

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Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

This is itachi speaking of his Tsukuyomi

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Now onto the misconception about tsukuyomi being broken.
People believe that perfect jins have the ability to break all genjutsu including tsukuyomi and will constantly use the kill bee vs sasuke scenario as proof....for one who says all tsukuyomi are the same? and two where was it specified that sasuke used tsukuyomi?

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This assumption probably stems from the fact that sasuke had his MS activated......but look at this other scan

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sasuke is using a basic sharingan jutsu with his EMS activated so it is very possible that it was a basic sharingan genjutsu that was casted on killer bee

Misconception two all tsukuyomi are the same.
When i see people say shit like this it makes me lol. It should be obvious like any other jutsu that the strength and execution of this jutsu depends on the user skill with it. As an example: people who believe that sasuke used tsukuyomi on killer bee and believe that bee broke it claim that itachi's tsukuyomi is just as likely to be broken. the facts are itachis tsukuyomi and sasuke illusions are completely different both in how they work and their strength. danzo makes reference to the difference between their illusions.

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Now itachis tsukuyomi is very different in both how it acts and the specifications to break it. Itachi has such mastery over this jutsu that he can control every aspect of that dimension something that sasuke has never been shown to do. Also itachi has stated who could break his tsukuyomi

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This still stands because the only person to ever break his tsukuyomi was sasuke(i know itachi was not trying to kill him)

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Overall tsukuyomi is a jutsu and like any jutsu the strength and efficiency of it depends on the user.I hope by now that it is clear that both sasuke and itachi when it comes to most genjutsu specifically tsukuyomi are on completely different lvls and they should not be treated as the same.

If there are any other examples that you would like me to address pertaining to sasuke tsukuyomi please post them below and i will try my best to get to them. thank you to all who have read through this thread .

 

[Unbiased]

I'm reposting this thread because one i had only one response because no one saw it due to NB freezing and two to get a break from the shitstorm that 599 has brought upon us in the forum so enjoy .

From what i have been seeing there is a good amount of members that honestly have no idea about the functions of tsukuyomi. So i'm going to posting info directly from the databooks about tsukuyomi and addressing some of the misconceptions about this tech. I will try to keep this thread as short as possible. READ THE ENTIRE THREAD OR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN STAND BEFORE POSTING

Lets start with the databook info on this jutsu...

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Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

This is itachi speaking of his Tsukuyomi

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Now onto the misconception about tsukuyomi being broken.
People believe that perfect jins have the ability to break all genjutsu including tsukuyomi and will constantly use the kill bee vs sasuke scenario as proof....for one who says all tsukuyomi are the same? and two where was it specified that sasuke used tsukuyomi?

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This assumption probably stems from the fact that sasuke had his MS activated......but look at this other scan

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sasuke is using a basic sharingan jutsu with his EMS activated so it is very possible that it was a basic sharingan genjutsu that was casted on killer bee

Misconception two all tsukuyomi are the same.
When i see people say shit like this it makes me lol. It should be obvious like any other jutsu that the strength and execution of this jutsu depends on the user skill with it. As an example: people who believe that sasuke used tsukuyomi on killer bee and believe that bee broke it claim that itachi's tsukuyomi is just as likely to be broken. the facts are itachis tsukuyomi and sasuke illusions are completely different both in how they work and their strength. danzo makes reference to the difference between their illusions.

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Now itachis tsukuyomi is very different in both how it acts and the specifications to break it. Itachi has such mastery over this jutsu that he can control every aspect of that dimension something that sasuke has never been shown to do. Also itachi has stated who could break his tsukuyomi

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This still stands because the only person to ever break his tsukuyomi was sasuke(i know itachi was not trying to kill him)

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Overall tsukuyomi is a jutsu and like any jutsu the strength and efficiency of it depends on the user.I hope by now that it is clear that both sasuke and itachi when it comes to most genjutsu specifically tsukuyomi are on completely different lvls and they should not be treated as the same.

If there are any other examples that you would like me to address pertaining to sasuke tsukuyomi please post them below and i will try my best to get to them. thank you to all who have read through this thread .

Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Itachi. There's no reason why he would he consider using a normal genjutsu, when he has one of the most powerful in his arsenal. Also when sasuke cast Tsukuyomi it never actually says Tsukuyomi but Sharingan Genjutsu. That's why there is controversy among the jutsu.

 

[blackstar9]

Sounds like when it comes to sasuke ,your trying to prove he doesnt have tsukiyomi first ,Then say he does but its weaker than itachis which is it ?

I dont think sasuke has Tsukiyomi . Some say he has to have it to have susanoo. But Madara has yet to show amaterasu or tsukiyomi but has displayed susanoo. Secondly in my opinion Kishi tried to seperate sasuke genjutsu from Itachis by saying sharingan genjutsu instead of Tsukiyomi. Madara also says sharingan genjutsu when placing it on the 4th raikage and not tsukiyomi .

 

[markdabomb22]

Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Itachi. There's no reason why he would he consider using a normal genjutsu, when he has one of the most powerful in his arsenal. Also when sasuke cast Tsukuyomi it never actually says Tsukuyomi but Sharingan Genjutsu. That's why there is controversy among the jutsu.

So your assuming that sasuke used tsukuyomi because you believe that their would be no point in using a weaker genjutsu.......by that logic itachi should only use tsukuyomi because its better then most of his other genjutsu......sasuke beat danzo using a basic genjutsu not tsukuyomi and by your logic sasuke would have come to the conclusion that he should use tsukuyomi because it was better

 

[markdabomb22]

Sounds like when it comes to sasuke ,your trying to prove he doesnt have tsukiyomi first ,Then say he does but its weaker than itachis which is it ?

I dont think sasuke has Tsukiyomi . Some say he has to have it to have susanoo. But Madara has yet to show amaterasu or tsukiyomi but has displayed susanoo. Secondly in my opinion Kishi tried to seperate sasuke genjutsu from Itachis by saying sharingan genjutsu instead of Tsukiyomi. Madara also says sharingan genjutsu when placing it on the 4th raikage and not tsukiyomi .

@bold he has to in order to use susanoo...

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I was never saying that sasuke didn't have tsukuyomi i was saying that he didn't use it when people believed he might have.

As for madaras genjutsu it was never labled as sharingan genjutsu the raikage said it was a measly sharingan genjutsu but it was not labeled.

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[Blaze Release]

Make it as simple as possible. Any genjutsu which laughs in the face of the 2 vs 1 scenario of breaking genjutsu would get the better of any jinchrucki, perfect or not. To my knowledge only bringer of darkness and itachi's tsukuyomi can do that

 

[captainEO]

yeah, I agree with you.

Though, I'm sure that Sasuke must have used it against Bee. It makes more sense that way because Sasuke gradually awoke all of his MS techniques.

First Tsukuyomi towards the middle of the fight with Bee, then Amaterasu at the end.
^Hence he was able to awake Susanoo in his battle against the Raikage.

It's just that he hasn't trained it as well as Itachi. Though I'm sure Kishi did that on purpose, he didn't want to recycle the same power and wanted to make Itachi + Sasuke more unique.
So he gave Sasuke Blaze Release and ordinary Tsukuyomi, and left Itachi with Super Tsukuyomi and an ordinary Amaterasu. That way it balances out.

Though it remains that Sasuke is one of the best genjutsu users in the series, likely top 3 alive? And Itachi is one of the best fire style users too and is skilled with Amaterasu.