Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Oldspiceman]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I have said it a thousand times ,Kishi is just making this s**t up as he goes.If you remember how young Kakashi and Gai looked during the nine tails attack on the leaf, you would know that Obito had to be like 16 or 17 when he was attacking the village with Kurama.That means in a matter of a few years,Obito went from being the weak link on Team Minato;not even being able to take on Rin, and no where near Kakashi, to having MS,a space time ninjutsu, the ability to control Kurama, and being able to go head to head with his former Sensei, Minato.

Furthermore, wouldn't someone like Minato know if he was fighting a former student? I mean, he was with Obito for some time as his Sensei.

In minato's defense:
1)Obito probably read the uchiha hideout tablets.
2)Obito was probably so pissed off that he did exactly as naruto did but used his hatred to fuel his training.
3)Minato honestly and truely believed obito died. The fact that obito's abilities changed so rapidly is what threw off Minato.

All 3 of those would explain why Obito was able to do the things he did. I believe all 3 had to happen in order to bring him to the point where he is today.

 

[Zerofnaruto]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

As the title says,I think that Tobi can't be Obito,because there are too many plot holes.

First of all,Tobi was controlling the mizukage,when Obito wasn't even born or was very little.(You might say that the one controlling the mizukage was Madara,which may be true).

Let's say that Obito was saved by Zetsu and trained by Madara,that still doesn't explain how he got so powerful,knew everything and learned about Kurama and how to control it.And if I remember corectly,he said when he was taking out Kurama from Kushina that he waited a long time for this.How is this possible when he was like 14?And his voice changed so much after just a year.A year before he was a little kid that could be beaten by Rin,and after a year he went toe-to-toe with Minato,the fourth hokage.

So,in my opinion,someone uses Obito's body and controlles it.What are your thoughts?

Ok, Im not goint to get or anything just becuase I was wrong about tobi being obito, I was unsure of it anyways. Now kishi just has to wrap up the plot holes like "so hum.... why did he turn evil?" and how quickly he changed to studently destroy the village with the 9 tails? seriously? only madura was powerfull enough to do that when he was fighting the 1st hokage..... Then goes to attack his teacher for....? Um did I miss something in obito life were he got so mad he just wants to kill everyone? Ya there is just a lot of plot holes here.....

 

[Pretium]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

As the title says,I think that Tobi can't be Obito,because there are too many plot holes.

First of all,Tobi was controlling the mizukage,when Obito wasn't even born or was very little.(You might say that the one controlling the mizukage was Madara,which may be true).

Let's say that Obito was saved by Zetsu and trained by Madara,that still doesn't explain how he got so powerful,knew everything and learned about Kurama and how to control it.And if I remember corectly,he said when he was taking out Kurama from Kushina that he waited a long time for this.How is this possible when he was like 14?And his voice changed so much after just a year.A year before he was a little kid that could be beaten by Rin,and after a year he went toe-to-toe with Minato,the fourth hokage.

So,in my opinion,someone uses Obito's body and controlles it.What are your thoughts?

It Wasn't One Year Later, It Shows Kakashi And Guy During Those Parts, They're Already Adults

 

[phemsy]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

That Tobi is Obito doesn‘t make much sense. His peers: Kakashi, Guy & Itachi, were just very young teens during d tobi vs the 4th‘s fight. WOTS GOING ON!!!

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Grow up. Kishimoto is the author of this series not you he has every right to do what he wants with it. You are not a true fan of Naruto if you are gonna call this crap. If you were a true fan you would shut your mouth and stop whining like a little child and respect all that Kishimoto has done for his fans over the past decade. Show some respect for Kishimoto and try having a little patience and just wait for the next chapter. And I don't mean just you I mean everybody who is saying stuff like this.

I think you don't understand the difference between fan and fanboy?
Fans of product, music artists, tv shows, and all sort of things called miscues, failures, or bad products crap all the times.If one of my favorite artist makes a bad album, I'm not going to just listen to it and pretend to enjoy because that artist made good albums in the past.Only a fool would accept a fail product, mediocre album, or manga with serious plotholes base on your reasoning.Kishi just made a serious mistake in his story, which makes little to no sense logically.People who don't like it have the right to voice their opinions.And if you don't like it, you should ignore their comments, but don't tell them to become mindless fanboy drones because that's what you are.

 

[phemsy]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

That Tobi is Obito doesn‘t make much sense. His peers: Kakashi, Guy & Itachi, were just very young teens during d tobi vs the 4th‘s fight. WOTS GOING ON!!!

 

[WillOfFire08]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Sounds gud

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

He is Obito

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I say the person who fought Minato was someone else....n the person who is Tobi now is Obito
Or maybe someone got hold of obito's body?....like orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body.....but the soul remains the same......

No because Obito's body was aged

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

The explanation is going to be flat out amazing! I think Kish knows what he's doing.

 

[drxdroopy]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

As the title says,I think that Tobi can't be Obito,because there are too many plot holes.

First of all,Tobi was controlling the mizukage,when Obito wasn't even born or was very little.(You might say that the one controlling the mizukage was Madara,which may be true).

Let's say that Obito was saved by Zetsu and trained by Madara,that still doesn't explain how he got so powerful,knew everything and learned about Kurama and how to control it.And if I remember corectly,he said when he was taking out Kurama from Kushina that he waited a long time for this.How is this possible when he was like 14?And his voice changed so much after just a year.A year before he was a little kid that could be beaten by Rin,and after a year he went toe-to-toe with Minato,the fourth hokage.

So,in my opinion,someone uses Obito's body and controlles it.What are your thoughts?

this is my same exact thought. obito died happily saving his friends no way jealousy can be the only reason.

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Ok, Im not goint to get or anything just becuase I was wrong about tobi being obito, I was unsure of it anyways. Now kishi just has to wrap up the plot holes like "so hum.... why did he turn evil?" and how quickly he changed to studently destroy the village with the 9 tails? seriously? only madura was powerfull enough to do that when he was fighting the 1st hokage..... Then goes to attack his teacher for....? Um did I miss something in obito life were he got so mad he just wants to kill everyone? Ya there is just a lot of plot holes here.....

Your sig is awesome

 

[orochitheoni]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Bah I could care less. I just don't want to sift through the thousand or so I told you so threads and Tobi is not Obito threads that are going to pop up.


P.S. Ever notice the Uchihas are like cockroaches they pop up everywhere, are hard to kill and ruin perfectly good picnics.

 

[cLoneWarriorS]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

As the title says,I think that Tobi can't be Obito,because there are too many plot holes.

First of all,Tobi was controlling the mizukage,when Obito wasn't even born or was very little.(You might say that the one controlling the mizukage was Madara,which may be true).

Let's say that Obito was saved by Zetsu and trained by Madara,that still doesn't explain how he got so powerful,knew everything and learned about Kurama and how to control it.And if I remember corectly,he said when he was taking out Kurama from Kushina that he waited a long time for this.How is this possible when he was like 14?And his voice changed so much after just a year.A year before he was a little kid that could be beaten by Rin,and after a year he went toe-to-toe with Minato,the fourth hokage.

So,in my opinion,someone uses Obito's body and controlles it.What are your thoughts?

I have the same opinion.
The chapter only revealed the semblance of Obito (in terms of eye technique and body built/appearances).
There is still a possibility (for those who would say that Tobi is not Obito) that Tobi is indeed not Obito since the real (young) Obito died and the potential that he had was absorbed/used/manipulated through experimentation,
Tobi once said that he is nobody and can assume any personality (it could be yours or Kishimoto's but in this case it is Obito's).

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Kakashi joined anbu when he was 13. Attack happened 16-17 years ago. That would make him around 14-15. Same with obito. Kakashi was already an anbu by then. I'm saying.i didn't want obito, not because I'm hatin, there would (and are) just be too many plot holes. Ny way kishi can fix it now, is either like to is is an entity, no one, that just took obits body and memories, or something like time travel. Both of which would be enough for me to quit naruto for a while

Ever thought he put plot holes to hide his identidy?

 

[saratobi sasuke]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

correction:

Tobi can't possibly be Obito dude..(with LY)

Why do bitches go whining when something contradicts about there theory?

Kakashi became a Jounin in the age of 13 right.. Why it possible that Tobi cant be Obito? Because of his current strength compared from before he was a child and had awaken his sharingan? Obito said it himself that if he awakens his sharingan he will definitely surpass everyone, THAT WORDS GOT STUCK IN MY HEAD. His sensei Minato has teleportation jutsu it's not a wonder why Obito himself studied that art and surpassed Minato in that field of JUTSU/ teleportation.

STOP WHINING ALREADY. THE MYSTERY ABOUT IT IS WHO IS REAL MENTOR AND WHO CORRUPTED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

All I'm gonna say right here is that Kakashi is shown as an adult ANBU member during Tobi's attack on Minato, Obito was definitetly NOT a child during that fight.

No he wasnt - he was among the kids that were taken away and kept away for the safety of the them and the future when the kyubi attacked U_U

 

[GANGSTA KAGE]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

It dosent matter if he was younger or older he and kakashi was the same age and kakashi grew up big time don't care if it was one year or three years he was bigger plus when the attack happen with the nine tails itachi was young holding sauske itachi looked at least 5to7 years younger than kakashi do when itachi killed the Uchiha and kisame was recruited by Tobi it would have been years later from the 9tails attack and tobi would could have been strong enough to control the mizukage. Or since tobi did say his form is not complete so izuma could have somehow taken control of obitos body with knowledge of the uchiha to make a perfect body with shiringan and rinnegan but the knowledge of the eyes were in the Uchiha headquarters

 

[SuSaNo]

Re: Obito not much of obito

nice, i agree.

Anyways, after reading ch 599, i was thinking why did Kishi show us flashbacks of Obito being nice to old ladies. To me the drastic turn around in personality is unbelievable. Why didn't he just skip straight to the reveal and begin some dialogue between kakashi and Tobi.

Two things came to mind....
1) reveal how he became evil
2) reveal that Obito died shortly after the day obito was suppose to be dead and his body is being used as a perfect vessel. (i would like this to happen but its highly unlikely)

 

[DarkerThenBlack]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I don't understand why people can't just wait for kishi to reveal that it's not as simple as just obito..freaking obviously obito didn't fight minato or any of that. There must have been a person before him who claimed to be madara just as tobi did. And then that madara wether it was madara or not(which I think it was, which would explain how he sort of says that he knows nagato etc!) he claimed to be madara when he fought minato and then would have sort of passed the torch later on if that makes sense? I think kishi will explain something along those lines...we shall have to see!:ice:

or even more likely kishi will give his own explanation that makes even more sense..especially since he is writing it fools ;P!