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Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Sorry to say that Kishimoto has already said Tobi is Obito, how and why are sure to be explained in the next few chapters.

As for Obito being to young to be the same tobi that attacked the village with Kurama, at that time Kakashi looks much older, and happens to be a member of ANBU black ops at that time. Plus the fact that his arm was so easily destroyed and replenished just like when Obito confronted Danzo and his body guards clearly seems to point at that Obito was definetly Tobi at that point.

In regards To Obito Being Tobi when the Mizukage was under Genjutsu and showed himself to Kisame, I'm thinking that was someone completely different, I dont know much about Obitos Techs but So far we have only seen his eye using Kamui for Intangibility and strategic attacks. Obviously his eyes has the ability to control Kurama, which makes me wonder if all sharingan users can do so.

Lastly lets all grow up and accept the fact that this isn't your manga so everyone should quit whining and let Masashi Kishimoto do his thing.

He said he has had the climax and ending to the Naruto series planned out for awhile and I'm sure it will be good.

P.S. Yes the manga will end soon he is smart enough to not over play it, the characters are too strong and things are becoming overly complicated I'm sure he doesn't want his manga to end up dragged out like many others out there.
 
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Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

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Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

He can be Obito in mind and body but that doesn't mean he wasn't under control by the real/half-self Madara Uchiha.
 
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Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.
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True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.
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Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.
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The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts. :)
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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

You're right. How can Obito be alive when he wasn't alive when Kakashi became the "Hero with the Sharingan" at Kannabi bridge. It just doesn't make sense.
 
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Easy explanation of how obito can be tobi

so obito is laying there dying, zetsu finds a dying uchiha and fixes his body, now that fixes why hes alive..

sometime between the kyuubi incident and then, his eye has been awakened giving him that kamui type technique..

so now comes him fighting the 4th at the age of 14, i dont see what the big deal is about this? all he did is use the kamui making him impossible to hit without another kamui or extreme skill which is what the yellow flash has. and dont say he should be smaller than the 4th cuz thats just stupid as i was 6'3 when i was 14... and if you think about it, that style is pretty childish, he played the "you cant touch me, you cant touch me" game

as for him controlling the kyuubi, well he is an uchiha. and it is possible he has the strongest eye because he did the opposite to get his mangenkyo, he sacrificed his own eye for his best friend...

and why are ppl saying he got itachi to kill the clan? he just helped.. for all we know itachi didnt know who he really was either.. just knew he was skilled as all hell...

there, easy ways for obito to be tobi... but i bet you kishi will have better reasons
 
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Re: Easy explanation of how obito can be tobi

I do agree with you however Kakashi was an adult when tobi attacked we see it when hes walking with guy and hes an anbu so that answers that also its not like it was an actual fight between him and Minato it was more like a evade him as much as possible which he used Kamui for
 
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