There must be 2 masked men

[Silent Zetsu]

So there's been a flood load of Tobi/ Obito threads and I think that the only explanation is that Obito had an accomplice, there is NO WAY he could of controlled the nine tails at 14/ 15, they even showed us how untrained he was in the flashbacks. Tobi apparently did so many things in such a short amount of that the only explanation would be a partner or time travel (hope its the former).

Madara didn't die straight away perhaps he's the accomplice someone had to run akatsuki and give Nagato the rinnegan a teenage, weak child? I think not. Also, someone has to have created zetsu with the 1st's cells, someone with medical knowledge?? Hmmm (Rin)

Rin could be an accomplice but her whole physical appearance would be a dead give away but I do believe she was part of the 'Corruption of Obito', as is his bitterness towards Kakashi...

I guess we just have to trust Kishimoto in giving us a very detailed explanation so we can all have piece of mind.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Nope there is only one. I have worked it out

 

[Xarpius]

Nope there is only one. I have worked it out

I started thinking there could be 2... but whatever I'll see when the chapters comes out.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

There’s been this thing spreading round base that long haired tobi and short haired tobi must be different people because of events and height issues but let me tell you now, the mask men have always been the same people. I know this because I realised the differences such as height and events about last year, but every time I make a theory I try and prove my theory wrong and see if it can hold.


What people need to remember is that the first time we ever see Tobi he has short hair and this was the Kyuubi incident. Itachi was 5/6 when this happened (I have done all the calculations to work out age).


Theory: Sometime after the kyuubi incident maybe the same year Tobi went to the village hidden in the mist to whatever deeds needed to be done there. For whatever reason he let his hair grow maybe he was to busy controlling the mizukage maybe he wanted a new identity who knows why read on.


When Tobi revealed himself to Kisiame this is years after the Kyuubi incident it is around when Itachi was 13. So the Tobi having long hair at this point is possible because this is 8 years after the kyuubi incident.


The reason itachi looked so short compared to this long haired Tobi is because Itachi is only 13(makes sense now don’t it), the itachi we see today is 21/22. So the itachi here is probably like sasuke’s height when sasuke was 13 which is why Tobi with long hair looks so much taller than him.


Theory: Tobi has been controlling the mizukage for years now people may have been on to him because of this he needed a new identity so he changed his mask, his hairand also his voice. Now you may think this is stupid and how the hell would anyone fall for this, but what you have to remember is:


1) This is a Manga 2) Loads of ninja’s wear masks (haku, anbu..) and 3) it worked! Kisame thought tobi was a new member of akustki and itachi thought this as well. That is why Tobi had to re-reveal himself to kisame again because his disguised had paid off people didn’t know he was the mask man from the past.


Now everything I just said is enough to prove he is the same mask man but I will give you one more reason which I could of used to prove he was the same masked man single handily but I like to make long threads that go into full detail to create good reads. Anyway the last reason is that the voice used of serious short haired Tobi and long haired Tobi is the same. (":sy::sy::sy: How could I ever think they were different people" is what your thinking now isn't it)


This also could of been used to prove that Tobi was not Madara a long time ago because in the NUNS: Generations video they took away madara’s voice, why? Because his real voice has not been revealed yet and will be revealed in the anime shortly. This is why all the other characters voices was there and done by the voice actors but Madara’s ws not.

 

[Chatte]

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[AmaniPaz]

I'm just gonna wait for the new chapters.

 

[thegame]

There’s been this thing spreading round base that long haired tobi and short haired tobi must be different people because of events and height issues but let me tell you now, the mask men have always been the same people. I know this because I realised the differences such as height and events about last year, but every time I make a theory I try and prove my theory wrong and see if it can hold.


What people need to remember is that the first time we ever see Tobi he has short hair and this was the Kyuubi incident. Itachi was 5/6 when this happened (I have done all the calculations to work out age).


Theory: Sometime after the kyuubi incident maybe the same year Tobi went to the village hidden in the mist to whatever deeds needed to be done there. For whatever reason he let his hair grow maybe he was to busy controlling the mizukage maybe he wanted a new identity who knows why read on.


When Tobi revealed himself to Kisiame this is years after the Kyuubi incident it is around when Itachi was 13. So the Tobi having long hair at this point is possible because this is 8 years after the kyuubi incident.


The reason itachi looked so short compared to this long haired Tobi is because Itachi is only 13(makes sense now don’t it), the itachi we see today is 21/22. So the itachi here is probably like sasuke’s height when sasuke was 13 which is why Tobi with long hair looks so much taller than him.


Theory: Tobi has been controlling the mizukage for years now people may have been on to him because of this he needed a new identity so he changed his mask, his hairand also his voice. Now you may think this is stupid and how the hell would anyone fall for this, but what you have to remember is:


1) This is a Manga 2) Loads of ninja’s wear masks (haku, anbu..) and 3) it worked! Kisame thought tobi was a new member of akustki and itachi thought this as well. That is why Tobi had to re-reveal himself to kisame again because his disguised had paid off people didn’t know he was the mask man from the past.


Now everything I just said is enough to prove he is the same mask man but I will give you one more reason which I could of used to prove he was the same masked man single handily but I like to make long threads that go into full detail to create good reads. Anyway the last reason is that the voice used of serious short haired Tobi and long haired Tobi is the same. (":sy::sy::sy: How could I ever think they were different people" is what your thinking now isn't it)


This also could of been used to prove that Tobi was not Madara a long time ago because in the NUNS: Generations video they took away madara’s voice, why? Because his real voice has not been revealed yet and will be revealed in the anime shortly. This is why all the other characters voices was there and done by the voice actors but Madara’s ws not.

To your so called well calculated time line, he went straight to kirigakure after his failed attempt in konoha, he didn't take 8 years, cause that was the time of the uchiha massacre, besides all the bloody incidents in kirigakure, like zabuza killing off all at the academy happened shortly after tobis attack on leaf. Also Kisame was recruited about the same year as the kyuga clan massacre (if I may call it that), where Kimmimaru was the only surviver, and we know his age at the time, so it would be approximately 5 years after the attack at leaf, and TOBI also had time to control the 4th mizukage for some years. Just to get your facts correct..

ALSO not to draw to conclusions about anything outside your theory, rumors has it that it was Madara who was the 3rd mizukage, you can look that up I'm too borred, but Madara was dead during the 3rd mizukages realm, given he died at the time nagato had his rinnengan. So who the **** ruled kirigakure in that time? Well I suppose it was tobi, so how the **** can he be obito? Damn I keep confusing myself, gotta stop this.

Anyway just wanted to help, now I end up putting other stuff to debate, hm..