Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

Who do you think Tobi is?

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Sage of Six Paths O.O

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 170 19.6%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 97 11.2%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 177 20.4%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 9 1.0%
  • Shisui Uchiha

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 12 1.4%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 39 4.5%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 44 5.1%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Another Senju

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Tobi (No one we know)

    Votes: 31 3.6%
  • The ramen guy

    Votes: 71 8.2%
  • Someone other than these.

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • I am done. No theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 48 5.5%

  • Total voters
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I should also point out that in his fight in chapter 599, Tobi is phasing through attacks while possessing the 3 tomoe sharingan...

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Do you think I will believe that he's switching between MS and S at every single attack? lol. Lets be real here. His ability to phase is not MS technique.


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THATS the MS. Thats what he uses to absorb or transfer objects to a different dimension.

So the original photo I posted, you can clearly see that its not MS and that its a three tomoe sharingan

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I wasnt saying Tobi had EMS. I was responding to someone else making that claim about his absorbing ability.
and I'm just responding to your post cuz i saw it first (do you really think I'm gonna sit and read 40 something pages of naruto predictions?).

actually this just gave me an interesting thought as to a possible reason why tobi can't be izuna:

so if anyone thinks that tobi has ems: i don't even think he's an uchiha. didn't tobi himself say that to get ems you need to replace your ms with someone else's? PREFERABLY a sibling as that would be the best match (kinda like getting a new kidney. family members tend to be the closest match). so lets think about it for a sec. some people have been posting about how tobi = izuna = kagamis dad = obitos grandad (absolutely nothing in the manga to confirm this btw and i am not at all a believer in this scenario). so lets say izuna and tobi were related, wouldn't tobi have gotten some kind of an ems by transplanting obitos sharingan? i know in parts of the manga they say that it has to be a siblings eyes but i think it was when tobi was talking to sasuke for the first time, he kinda implied that it doesn't HAVE to be a siblings eyes they would just be the best match. just a thought.

i think izuna makes the most sense just in terms of things like age and motive and all that but i think it would be absolutely crazy if he ended up being obito. just a total mind**** for the konoha jonin.
 

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I still get the strange feeling that Tobi is Fugaku, but in addition to this there is a link between him and Izuna/Madara, possibly one of them being his father. It has been foreshadowed throughout the entire series that Fugaku is a suspicious character, especially in his behaviour towards Itachi and Sasuke. My theory is a bit far-fetched, but Fugaku, after falling out with Itachi, and after seeing his other son's mastery of the fireball jutsu, realized that Sasuke would be the appropriate one to succeed him(the reason why he has been nurturing him for so long
My own reasons for it having to be him.

For instance his name:

The name "Fugaku" is an alias, or alternative name, for Mt. Fuji in Japan. While the origin for Mt. Fuji's name isn't 100% clear, a Japanese text says it gained its name from the word "immortal" (Fuji). Tobi is called immortal by many characters in Naruto.

Another origin of the name of Mt. Fuji says that it gained its name from an idea of "an abundance (fu) of soldiers (shi/ji)". Tobi has 100,000 soldiers at his bidding.

Another Japanese folklore says that Fuji came from the words "not" and "two". In Japan, this translates as "without equal" or "having no equal". That would explain his character as the main antagonist.

For appearances, when Tobi removed his mask, it was clear that the man is aged and has 2 bags under his eyes. If you look closer, there's also Fugaku's and Itachi's prominent facial creases. Fugaku was 40 at his apparent death. The story has since moved on 10 years, giving an appropriate age for the man under the mask.



remember also that Tobi went out of his way to make sure Danzo died. Personal Vendetta.

This here is speculation, but when Shisui tried to use Kotoamatsukami on the Uchihas(namely Fugaku, being the leader), he failed after being intercepted by Danzo who stole one of his eyes. This jutsu might have been the only to stop them, but he got away and gave Itachi his remaining eye. This is also why Tobi(Fugaku) was insistent on taking out Danzo, because Shisui's jutsu could oppose him

This by the way is also the reason why Itachi was kept under tabs consistently by Kisame, under direct orders from Tobi(Fugaku). Tobi acted like a buffoon when Itachi was alive. A ploy to hide his real manerism from him. As soon as itachi died. Tobi began to act normal.

Fugaku needed an alias. His name is not feared and won't gather immediate respect. Thus, he took on "Madara" as both of their ideals are similar. Since their ideals are similar, no one would question if he was really Madara.



Since killing the entire clan would make Itachi a rogue shinobi, this was the perfect opportunity for Itachi to help Fugaku. As a rogue shinobi, he would be hired into Akatsuki, unwillingly helping Fugaku to achieve his master plan.

Another reason is the development of Sasuke. Sasuke had recently become his father's new champion. Knowing that anger can drive a person without end, killing off his clan and family would jump-start a potential powerful shinobi.

He faked his death because the Konoha elders had figured him out and uncovered his plot. They were using Itachi against him. Therefore he effectively removed himself from their sight, and has been biding his time until now to make his move.

remember also that Tobi attempted to reveal himself to Sasuke, knowing he would recognize him, therefore erasing the possibilities of hime being Obito/Madara/Kagami etc. If Sasuke saw Fugaku, he would find solace in the father he tried so hard to make proud and join him in his conquest(AT THAT POINT!!). After the second meeting with Itachi though, Sasuke's views on the world changed, and possibly revealing Tobi's identity to him would turn him on the path to redemption?

Besides

During the 9-Tails' attack, it was revealed that Kushina and Mikoto Uchiha (Sasuke's mother) are friends, and good ones at that. Mikoto was also said to be missing during the 9-Tails' attack. She was noticeably compliant with Fugaku's ideals of the Uchiha taking over. Thus, she told Fugaku of Kushina's pregnancy, giving him the perfect time to release the 9-Tails. That's a connection for their mothers.

Where was Fugaku??? He was fighting Minato!

As for how Fugaku escaped death when itachi went to kill him, there are several explanations.

1. A Zetsu clone was placed in his stead.

2. Genjutsu

3. Obito's ocular power (far-fetched, but sending the part of his body pierced by the sword to the other dimension?)

Either way, Fugaku would manage to escape, giving him the perfect alias so Itachi wouldnt suspect Tobi of being him, and he fled to Kirigakure to start building Akatsuki(Taking control of Yagura).



Possibility:

When he failed to destroy Konoha and the elders, he had to re-think his plan.

What he came up with was the Eye of the Moon Plan. It was then where he decided to gather Hashirama's DNA in order to obtain Izanagi and greater powers. Since these bodily experiments would be rather obvious, he had his reliable servant, Zetsu, make a clone of him before starting. From that day on, it was the Zetsu clone that took his place in Konoha.



If thats the case, then this would kill his Zetsu clone, significant because if left unharmed, the clone would theoretically not age. This would reveal that it's not really Fugaku.

It is also possible that by the time of the meeting, Fugaku may have attained Rinnegan, but explaining such a thing would be quite difficult, that last bit i'm leaving for Kishi.



It would be the best choice in my opinion.

Remember this cycle of hatred has been passed though generations.

Hashirama-Madara

Minato-Fugaku(would be logical)

Naruto-Sasuke

Naruto made a promise to Pain that he would end the cycle of hatred(The plot of the series revolves around this), if not on a world scale then he would start with the Senju-Uchiha one.

Sasuke discovering Fugaku would force him to come to terms with the Uchiha and realize Itachi's wish, which would lead to his return to Konoha

Possible ending: Sasuke joins the fight and defeats his father(Star Wars, but with chakra ninjas), or(in my opinion would be better) tell Naruto to stand down as he redeems the Uchiha's name alone in defeating Fugaku(EPIC). Afterwards they would aid one another in taking down Madara (?), giving Naruto the true impetus to become Hokage(one of the perks being that he could grant a "royal" pardon to Sasuke for his crimes), and possibly have Sasuke become his advisor(?)



this whole idea makes sense also because of the fathers.

For their fathers, they fought during the 9-Tails' attack. One was the Child of Prophecy that potentially could bring world peace, while the other wanted to have world domination, in his own sense of "peace". This clash reverberates in their sons, but the cycle of hatred must end, because Naruto was entrusted this by Jiraiya.



other facts that fit with Tobi being Fugaku.

his insistence on executing Danzo, it's far too prominent(He knew Danzo had Shisui's eye and was worried about it's power.

He is extremely protective of Sasuke,

Fugaku as leader of the Uchiha clan is a master ninja. He trained Itachi. His genetic stock gave birth to two of the greatest ninja talents. There is no way he was some pushover that Itachi could just kill at a whim. He is Tobi.

there is no other explanation why Tobi would turn from acting like a bumbling idiot to a powerful warlord right after he was told by Zetsu that Itachi died!!!! REMEMBER THIS FACT! Itachi's death directly influenced his revealing his true nature, the only explanation is that he is Fugaku, he would have no reason to go around doing this as anyone else

it would be a seriously freaky plot twist if on the night of the Uchiha massacre, Danzo went around collecting eyes in Itachi's wake in an attempt to later enlist Orochimaru in the surgery, but Fugaku was in parallel collecting eyes(We see later that Tobi has a huge collection of Sharingans). This is extremely far-fetched but this is one way of explaining the abundance of eyes in Tobi's possession

this would also lead to the inevitable vendetta against Danzo, wanting the last of the Sharingans to be in his(Tobi's) possession, except for the only ones left that can defy him(Sasuke)

ONCE AGAIN I WILL STATE!!(VERY IMPORTANT)

Tobi recognized Danzo death move as Shisui's sharigan power. How would Tobi know of shisui's power and identity unless he knew him and witnessed that power before(Shisui's attempted Kotoamatsukami against Fugaku repelled by Danzo)

Danzo stopped Shisui because he didnt want some subservient Uchiha under genjutsu, he wanted them DEAD. he did not believe that they would ever cast their hatred aside, so he believed they would inevitably be freed from Kotoamatsukami(what then? hh)

as for Tobi being Obito, timewise it's also strange, it's safe to assume that Nagato is older than Obito, considering the fact that he was Jiraiya's student before him taking on Minato who would far later take on Obito, in that case how could Obito as Tobi ever have given the Rinnegan to Nagato(remember Nagato had it before he met Jiraiya). I think that single-handedly proves Obito is not Tobi, unless according to your theory Madara gave it to Nagato intending to entrust brainwashed Obito with retreiving it, doesnt fit

with Obito its basically all plotholes, you see, with Fugaku it makes for an epic climax and logical conclusion. Besides all of the foreshadowing throughout the series is not there for nothing, everything has a reason, why Hiruzen's wife was angry at Kushina for revealing the date of birth to Mikoto, why Kishi included the scene of Itachi sitting with baby Sasuke wondering where his parents were on the night of the Kyuubi attack, etc. These are simply subtle literary tools

sorry for my rambling, the point might be off and there might be some contradicting comments because this is just a collection of youtube comments I made over the past few days.

Throughout my theory, ponder this: what if kotoamatsukami SUCCEEDED before Danzo took Shisui's eye(on everyone except for Fugaku obviously, remember he did arrive back suspiciously on that same day that Itachi was accused by his clansmen)
I like your theory, you have some very good points, and it could very well be possible. It would also explain the fact that we have heard very little about Fugaku as a person, except what we know from sasukes memories.

One problem though, is why would he want to kill his entire clan, and we know tobi helped itachi with this? It could be very likely that he used a zetsu dummy as him self when itachi "killed" him. Also as we have seen the clones ability to turn into exact copies of other people. Only naruto could sense them.

But this must also mean that Fugaku either was influenced or had the same desires as uchiha madara. He had to somewhat be angry with some people in his clan. If it is indeed Fugaku, I would believe that it was him alone who made the rumors and "evidence" that the entire clan would plot against konoga, and he somehow knew or used a jutsu similiar to KA on Itachi? He may actually be the one who somehow made itachi descide on killing off his clan, which if Sasuke found out - by using that scroll, could make him want to go against him.

In that case chapter 599 will IMO be sasuke + oro using edo tensei to summon sasukes father + mother, whoms DNA is in that scroll. We will then see only the mother, being ressurected, and she will tell sasuke everything, and we will know that fugaku is alive, and thereby conclude who tobi is.
 

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I still get the strange feeling that Tobi is Fugaku, but in addition to this there is a link between him and Izuna/Madara, possibly one of them being his father. It has been foreshadowed throughout the entire series that Fugaku is a suspicious character, especially in his behaviour towards Itachi and Sasuke. My theory is a bit far-fetched, but Fugaku, after falling out with Itachi, and after seeing his other son's mastery of the fireball jutsu, realized that Sasuke would be the appropriate one to succeed him(the reason why he has been nurturing him for so long
My own reasons for it having to be him.

For instance his name:

The name "Fugaku" is an alias, or alternative name, for Mt. Fuji in Japan. While the origin for Mt. Fuji's name isn't 100% clear, a Japanese text says it gained its name from the word "immortal" (Fuji). Tobi is called immortal by many characters in Naruto.

Another origin of the name of Mt. Fuji says that it gained its name from an idea of "an abundance (fu) of soldiers (shi/ji)". Tobi has 100,000 soldiers at his bidding.

Another Japanese folklore says that Fuji came from the words "not" and "two". In Japan, this translates as "without equal" or "having no equal". That would explain his character as the main antagonist.

For appearances, when Tobi removed his mask, it was clear that the man is aged and has 2 bags under his eyes. If you look closer, there's also Fugaku's and Itachi's prominent facial creases. Fugaku was 40 at his apparent death. The story has since moved on 10 years, giving an appropriate age for the man under the mask.



remember also that Tobi went out of his way to make sure Danzo died. Personal Vendetta.

This here is speculation, but when Shisui tried to use Kotoamatsukami on the Uchihas(namely Fugaku, being the leader), he failed after being intercepted by Danzo who stole one of his eyes. This jutsu might have been the only to stop them, but he got away and gave Itachi his remaining eye. This is also why Tobi(Fugaku) was insistent on taking out Danzo, because Shisui's jutsu could oppose him

This by the way is also the reason why Itachi was kept under tabs consistently by Kisame, under direct orders from Tobi(Fugaku). Tobi acted like a buffoon when Itachi was alive. A ploy to hide his real manerism from him. As soon as itachi died. Tobi began to act normal.

Fugaku needed an alias. His name is not feared and won't gather immediate respect. Thus, he took on "Madara" as both of their ideals are similar. Since their ideals are similar, no one would question if he was really Madara.



Since killing the entire clan would make Itachi a rogue shinobi, this was the perfect opportunity for Itachi to help Fugaku. As a rogue shinobi, he would be hired into Akatsuki, unwillingly helping Fugaku to achieve his master plan.

Another reason is the development of Sasuke. Sasuke had recently become his father's new champion. Knowing that anger can drive a person without end, killing off his clan and family would jump-start a potential powerful shinobi.

He faked his death because the Konoha elders had figured him out and uncovered his plot. They were using Itachi against him. Therefore he effectively removed himself from their sight, and has been biding his time until now to make his move.

remember also that Tobi attempted to reveal himself to Sasuke, knowing he would recognize him, therefore erasing the possibilities of hime being Obito/Madara/Kagami etc. If Sasuke saw Fugaku, he would find solace in the father he tried so hard to make proud and join him in his conquest(AT THAT POINT!!). After the second meeting with Itachi though, Sasuke's views on the world changed, and possibly revealing Tobi's identity to him would turn him on the path to redemption?

Besides

During the 9-Tails' attack, it was revealed that Kushina and Mikoto Uchiha (Sasuke's mother) are friends, and good ones at that. Mikoto was also said to be missing during the 9-Tails' attack. She was noticeably compliant with Fugaku's ideals of the Uchiha taking over. Thus, she told Fugaku of Kushina's pregnancy, giving him the perfect time to release the 9-Tails. That's a connection for their mothers.

Where was Fugaku??? He was fighting Minato!

As for how Fugaku escaped death when itachi went to kill him, there are several explanations.

1. A Zetsu clone was placed in his stead.

2. Genjutsu

3. Obito's ocular power (far-fetched, but sending the part of his body pierced by the sword to the other dimension?)

Either way, Fugaku would manage to escape, giving him the perfect alias so Itachi wouldnt suspect Tobi of being him, and he fled to Kirigakure to start building Akatsuki(Taking control of Yagura).



Possibility:

When he failed to destroy Konoha and the elders, he had to re-think his plan.

What he came up with was the Eye of the Moon Plan. It was then where he decided to gather Hashirama's DNA in order to obtain Izanagi and greater powers. Since these bodily experiments would be rather obvious, he had his reliable servant, Zetsu, make a clone of him before starting. From that day on, it was the Zetsu clone that took his place in Konoha.



If thats the case, then this would kill his Zetsu clone, significant because if left unharmed, the clone would theoretically not age. This would reveal that it's not really Fugaku.

It is also possible that by the time of the meeting, Fugaku may have attained Rinnegan, but explaining such a thing would be quite difficult, that last bit i'm leaving for Kishi.



It would be the best choice in my opinion.

Remember this cycle of hatred has been passed though generations.

Hashirama-Madara

Minato-Fugaku(would be logical)

Naruto-Sasuke

Naruto made a promise to Pain that he would end the cycle of hatred(The plot of the series revolves around this), if not on a world scale then he would start with the Senju-Uchiha one.

Sasuke discovering Fugaku would force him to come to terms with the Uchiha and realize Itachi's wish, which would lead to his return to Konoha

Possible ending: Sasuke joins the fight and defeats his father(Star Wars, but with chakra ninjas), or(in my opinion would be better) tell Naruto to stand down as he redeems the Uchiha's name alone in defeating Fugaku(EPIC). Afterwards they would aid one another in taking down Madara (?), giving Naruto the true impetus to become Hokage(one of the perks being that he could grant a "royal" pardon to Sasuke for his crimes), and possibly have Sasuke become his advisor(?)



this whole idea makes sense also because of the fathers.

For their fathers, they fought during the 9-Tails' attack. One was the Child of Prophecy that potentially could bring world peace, while the other wanted to have world domination, in his own sense of "peace". This clash reverberates in their sons, but the cycle of hatred must end, because Naruto was entrusted this by Jiraiya.



other facts that fit with Tobi being Fugaku.

his insistence on executing Danzo, it's far too prominent(He knew Danzo had Shisui's eye and was worried about it's power.

He is extremely protective of Sasuke,

Fugaku as leader of the Uchiha clan is a master ninja. He trained Itachi. His genetic stock gave birth to two of the greatest ninja talents. There is no way he was some pushover that Itachi could just kill at a whim. He is Tobi.

there is no other explanation why Tobi would turn from acting like a bumbling idiot to a powerful warlord right after he was told by Zetsu that Itachi died!!!! REMEMBER THIS FACT! Itachi's death directly influenced his revealing his true nature, the only explanation is that he is Fugaku, he would have no reason to go around doing this as anyone else

it would be a seriously freaky plot twist if on the night of the Uchiha massacre, Danzo went around collecting eyes in Itachi's wake in an attempt to later enlist Orochimaru in the surgery, but Fugaku was in parallel collecting eyes(We see later that Tobi has a huge collection of Sharingans). This is extremely far-fetched but this is one way of explaining the abundance of eyes in Tobi's possession

this would also lead to the inevitable vendetta against Danzo, wanting the last of the Sharingans to be in his(Tobi's) possession, except for the only ones left that can defy him(Sasuke)

ONCE AGAIN I WILL STATE!!(VERY IMPORTANT)

Tobi recognized Danzo death move as Shisui's sharigan power. How would Tobi know of shisui's power and identity unless he knew him and witnessed that power before(Shisui's attempted Kotoamatsukami against Fugaku repelled by Danzo)

Danzo stopped Shisui because he didnt want some subservient Uchiha under genjutsu, he wanted them DEAD. he did not believe that they would ever cast their hatred aside, so he believed they would inevitably be freed from Kotoamatsukami(what then? hh)

as for Tobi being Obito, timewise it's also strange, it's safe to assume that Nagato is older than Obito, considering the fact that he was Jiraiya's student before him taking on Minato who would far later take on Obito, in that case how could Obito as Tobi ever have given the Rinnegan to Nagato(remember Nagato had it before he met Jiraiya). I think that single-handedly proves Obito is not Tobi, unless according to your theory Madara gave it to Nagato intending to entrust brainwashed Obito with retreiving it, doesnt fit

with Obito its basically all plotholes, you see, with Fugaku it makes for an epic climax and logical conclusion. Besides all of the foreshadowing throughout the series is not there for nothing, everything has a reason, why Hiruzen's wife was angry at Kushina for revealing the date of birth to Mikoto, why Kishi included the scene of Itachi sitting with baby Sasuke wondering where his parents were on the night of the Kyuubi attack, etc. These are simply subtle literary tools

sorry for my rambling, the point might be off and there might be some contradicting comments because this is just a collection of youtube comments I made over the past few days.

Throughout my theory, ponder this: what if kotoamatsukami SUCCEEDED before Danzo took Shisui's eye(on everyone except for Fugaku obviously, remember he did arrive back suspiciously on that same day that Itachi was accused by his clansmen)
LoL just no
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If it switch to Oro and Sasuke.
They will go met his parents.

Sasuke for sure wants to hear from them~ I cannot imagine anyone else~
Hope this clears who Sasuke will meet~
So Sasukes father is out~

Still im for Obito or Elder Son~ anything else would be ridiculous ~
 
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tobi definitely has the ems or he would be blind right now plus he has so many sharingan at his hideout plus wouldn't it be really funny if tomorrow the battle moved to kage vs Madara or Orochimaru and sasuke and kishi didn't show tobi's face.
 

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Still im for Obito or Elder Son~ anything else would be ridiculous ~
obito or the elder son...ok obito can KINDA make sense (who knows what his body will look like after all that surgery? and maybe madara really did give nagato the rinnegan and then entrust obito to retrieve it) but the elder son...no. he lived HUNDREDS of years ago and had his own version of the rinnegan, why would he need to steal obitos sharingan? it just doesn't make any sense.
 

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Dude thats three tomoe. Zoom in and look. Its not the MS that you see later on that Kakashi and Tobi show in chapter 599.
I zoomed and looked, you must be obito fan boy blinded by the facts in front of you. Ah that was mean, just couldn't resist <3

It's definitly MS in his eyes. Try using something like adobe or find a better scan if you can't see it, or just zoom / get glasses, it's obviously MS...
 

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Tobi is tobimaraas son he is half uchiha and half senju. That's why tobi hates uchiha also didn't tobimaraa help with uchiha with police force and tobi can activate the ringegan . Uchiha needs senju DNA to do that.
 

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Tobi is tobimaraas son he is half uchiha and half senju. That's why tobi hates uchiha also didn't tobimaraa help with uchiha with police force and tobi can activate the ringegan . Uchiha needs senju DNA to do that.
that just doesn't make any sense. why would he hate the uchiha? he would be the ultimate symbol of the hidden leaf if that were the case. you know...the whole unification of the senju and uchiha.
 

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I don't believe it's obito because you simply can't explain him
A) growing tall enough to fight minato
B) controlling the 9 tails with an under developed sharingan and
C) if he had that skillset at the time he would have teleported from under that rock before becoming meaty pancakes

I don't believe it's zetsu because naruto would know via new ESP and his injuries would appear as white clay instead of flesh

I think the best possibility is madaras brother the fact his eyes were sacrificed explains why he needs others and he's the only character with enough pull to not be a disappointment

Since the manga will probably switch over anyway I also guess that Sasuke meets sage6path and tsunade will die to make naruto kage
 

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I don't believe it's obito because you simply can't explain him
A) growing tall enough to fight minato
B) controlling the 9 tails with an under developed sharingan and
C) if he had that skillset at the time he would have teleported from under that rock before becoming meaty pancakes

I don't believe it's zetsu because naruto would know via new ESP and his injuries would appear as white clay instead of flesh

I think the best possibility is madaras brother the fact his eyes were sacrificed explains why he needs others and he's the only character with enough pull to not be a disappointment

Since the manga will probably switch over anyway I also guess that Sasuke meets sage6path and tsunade will die to make naruto kage
As for this about zetsu. Narutos ability is to sense if a persons emotions / intentions - being it good or bad intentions, and Tobi would probably be a more advanced zetsu anyways.. THough I don't believe it's a zetsu clone either.

Sasuke wont bring out SO6P, I don't know if that would be possible with the scroll, but I doubt it. I think the scroll contains the DNA from all the dead uchiha clan members from the uchiha massacre. As he thinks of his mom and dad, when he tells oro that he wants to meet "them". And also the SO6P isn't a "them".
 

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As for this about zetsu. Narutos ability is to sense if a persons emotions / intentions - being it good or bad intentions, and Tobi would probably be a more advanced zetsu anyways.. THough I don't believe it's a zetsu clone either.

Sasuke wont bring out SO6P, I don't know if that would be possible with the scroll, but I doubt it. I think the scroll contains the DNA from all the dead uchiha clan members from the uchiha massacre. As he thinks of his mom and dad, when he tells oro that he wants to meet "them". And also the SO6P isn't a "them".
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Izuna never died... He gave his eyes to mandara to fight hashirama... Mandara lost so he needed new plan get some eyes... He wanted rinnengan... And found obito took his eye n used his eye technique to stay alive this whole time.. How? He can transfer to a dif dimension where time don't exist... N waited n planned his next move which has resulted n what you've seen and read so far...... One more thing just a idea on how naruto will get tobi kakashi teleports naruto to other dimension with his eye technique n tobi gets attacked n naruto attacks from other side when he transfers himself....
 
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