Do you believe in God?

[GeniusStyleUser]

How do you know that you chose what you did? How do you know that you aren't following a set path and that the thoughts that you had to choose what you chose weren't an illusion to keep you ignorant to the fact that maybe, just maybe aliens are controlling your every move? I know it sounds crazy, but think about it.xd

Hahahhaha!

haha my experience is, if you choose to believe it, you will most likely fulfill it.
either a thought of destiny, or a thought of choice.

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

haha my experience is, if you choose to believe it, you will most likely fulfill it.
either a thought of destiny, or a thought of choice.

Lol. I believe I have a choice also. It was just a possible theory. Maybe the people who believe in aliens aren't crazy, they're just the chosen ones. Hah.

 

[GeniusStyleUser]

i 800% believe in aliens!

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

i 800% believe in aliens!

I believe in the possibility of life on other planets, but I don't believe people have seen them or there spacecrafts because if they do exist then they don't live anywhere near us.

 

[GeniusStyleUser]

I believe in the possibility of life on other planets, but I don't believe people have seen them or there spacecrafts because if they do exist then they don't live anywhere near us.

i used to believe that as well...until i see some of the crazy shit thats been goin on with the ancients.
there is no way they built those pyramids alone. we wouldnt even be able to do that today!

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

i used to believe that as well...until i see some of the crazy shit thats been goin on with the ancients.
there is no way they built those pyramids alone. we wouldnt even be able to do that today!

Lol. That's cool.

 

[North Kai]

i used to believe that as well...until i see some of the crazy shit thats been goin on with the ancients.
there is no way they built those pyramids alone. we wouldnt even be able to do that today!

the International Space Station

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and Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge

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would disagree.

 

[Take Notes]

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would disagree.

He didn't describe his opinion well enough. The majority of the ancient structures were made with seemingly stone tools. However, the older the civilizations get the more primitive the equipment should be right? Wrong, they specifically describe the star gods helping them move massive 80 ton stones into position for them. That is one example of the ancient astronaut theory.
Besides, your point is invalid, we have pretty advanced technology today for architecture. This is only one subject of the theory, and the least circumstantial.

 

[GeniusStyleUser]

He didn't describe his opinion well enough. The majority of the ancient structures were made with seemingly stone tools. However, the older the civilizations get the more primitive the equipment should be right? Wrong, they specifically describe the star gods helping them move massive 80 ton stones into position for them. That is one example of the ancient astronaut theory.
Besides, your point is invalid, we have pretty advanced technology today for architecture. This is only one subject of the theory, and the least circumstantial.

you literally took the words right outta my mouth. i like it. lol
i feel like since this convo was about god just breaching the surface would be fine and if people were genuinely interested they would do some research.

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

you literally took the words right outta my mouth. i like it. lol
i feel like since this convo was about god just breaching the surface would be fine and if people were genuinely interested they would do some research.

I was interested. I researched it. If that guy would've done that he would have done it he would have realized that all the pyramids mirror Orion's Belt, are a measly two centimeters from being a perfect square, The summer solstice sets directly centered between two of the pyramids, and from the entrance of The Great Pyramid during the winter solstice the sun appears to perfectly outline the sphinx. Coincidence? Maybe, but who really knows.

 

[AngryRock]

He didn't describe his opinion well enough. The majority of the ancient structures were made with seemingly stone tools. However, the older the civilizations get the more primitive the equipment should be right? Wrong, they specifically describe the star gods helping them move massive 80 ton stones into position for them. That is one example of the ancient astronaut theory.
Besides, your point is invalid, we have pretty advanced technology today for architecture. This is only one subject of the theory, and the least circumstantial.

It is assumed that they only used stone tools but having such smooth surfaces and great structures requires more than stone tools. Too bad we will never know exactly how they were able to build those things.

 

[squigles]

Nah, freewill is choosing what you will decide on, act upon, etc... Not what pops into your mind. IMO

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1: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

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1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
1. (Philosophy)
a. the apparent human ability to make choices that are not externally determined
b. the doctrine that such human freedom of choice is not illusory Compare determinism
c. (as modifier) a free-will decision
2. the ability to make a choice without coercion he left of his own free will: I did not influence him

So when I asked you to think of a city, and you chose Tokyo, out of the thousands of cities across the world, what made you choose that city instead of another one? The answer is that 'you don't know.'

You can't account for the choice which was made between all the different cities you know of, and the one that you ended up choosing. Thus, you don't actually have free will. Even in situations where you are given many choices and the parameters to make the most ideal choice, you can't account for the one you actually make.

 

[AngryRock]

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1: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

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1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
1. (Philosophy)
a. the apparent human ability to make choices that are not externally determined
b. the doctrine that such human freedom of choice is not illusory Compare determinism
c. (as modifier) a free-will decision
2. the ability to make a choice without coercion he left of his own free will: I did not influence him

So when I asked you to think of a city, and you chose Tokyo, out of the thousands of cities across the world, what made you choose that city instead of another one? The answer is that 'you don't know.'

You can't account for the choice which was made between all the different cities you know of, and the one that you ended up choosing. Thus, you don't actually have free will. Even in situations where you are given many choices and the parameters to make the most ideal choice, you can't account for the one you actually make.

So family fued is just a game where no one chooses the answer?

Also you asked what city popped into my mind first not what I chose.

 

[YumBadgerKebabs]

I believe in God or a god to a certain extent. I just think that this world we live in is far too complex to have been created by chance. I think there was a greater force that created the universe and Earth, it just seems impossible to me that this wonderful planet came into existence by minuscule chance. We just happen to be the perfect distance from the sun to survive at a bearable temperature, I can't seem to accept that was due to pure coincidence.

I think everyone would like there to be an afterlife, and personally I can't seem to get my head around everything just ending suddenly after death. I'm still undecided on religion or any specific religious beliefs, but I do believe there is/was a God.

 

[squigles]

So family fued is just a game where no one chooses the answer?

Also you asked what city popped into my mind first not what I chose.

The premise of Free Will is that all your thoughts and actions are chosen specifically by you to best represent your logic and understanding regarding the world around you. When someone stops at an intersection to help an old lady cross the street, we praise that person for having good morals and values, for being able to consciously make a decision to step out of his place on a whim and help someone else who might need it.

Then when someone else decides to pull out a gun in a crowded mall and start shooting at random bystanders, we condemn that person for having bad morals and values, for being able to consciously make a decision to step out of his place on a whim and hurt others for no apparent reason.

The fact of the matter is that in both situations, a person simply complied with the thoughts that naturally surfaced in their consciousness, as we all do every day, and was never once in a position to choose which thoughts arose in their consciousness in the first place. If every single thought you or I have ever had, was just one thought in a steady stream of thoughts arising in our consciousness, then where is the free will? More importantly, what does that say about our morality if we aren't even free to choose which thoughts we have?

I'm nice to you because the first thing that pops into my head is a nice thing to say? You see, that's the problem with the free will argument. At no point in the course of one's life has anyone ever had the opportunity to come up with a thought or opinion that wasn't offered to them by their subconscious. So morality and free will go from being 'conscious thoughts created by our good will and intentions' to being 'subconscious thoughts that we picked out of a line up subconsciously to best represent our position.'

Even the decision to disregard a thought instead of acting on it comes from our subconscious. If you had cycled through 15 different cities and deliberated amongst each one before settling on Tokyo, you still can't account for why you picked Tokyo and not some other city.

If you actually read up some more about Sam Harris' free will argument, you will find a part where he talks about sitting still for an hour and trying not to think of anything. In the process of doing that, your mind still offers up thoughts at random, engaging your consciousness no matter how hard you try to avoid that.

At the end of the day, there are thousands of different decisions we make, and most of them we don't even recall making. The few which we DO recall making, are typically made on a whim without too much thought or effort, further proving that we aren't really the authors of our thoughts. Sam Harris' main point is that people are merely passengers of their consciousness, for which he provides ample evidence in a coherent and concise way. His studies involving fMRI have conclusively shown that thoughts and decisions are made in our minds before we are even aware of them.

Free will is illusory.

 

[~ You Know Who ~]

just feel pity on you guys for NEGLECTANCE of One GOD and the Religion ISLAM...
U_U U_U U_U

 

[squigles]

just feel pity on you guys for NEGLECTANCE of One GOD and the Religion ISLAM...
U_U U_U U_U

Just know that we pity you for believing in magic.

 

[Scooby Doo]

As for this free will debate:
If someone puts a gun to your head and says that he'll kill you if you dont believe and obey him, is that free will? You can choose yes or no so based on religious people's logic it is free will...you can choose, and there are 2 options...But I wouldnt say its free choice... (Although "every analogy limps" ).