Tsunade>3 tomoe itachi correct?
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You all are under estimating Tsunade a lot. You saw that she tanked Susano and Katon. I am not forgetting that Itachi is really strong but even Naruto broke out of his genjutsu. And Tsunade is really strong i am talking physically. And with the Byakugou she can tank every kind of damage that Itachi will do against her. Even with MS on she is the only one who can survive the Tsukuyomi with minor injuries but Itachi will receive more. And MAYBE tank Amaterasu but not sure she can heal with the Byakugou technique.
So against 3 tomoe she has a chance !!!!!
Blaze Release
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Lost interest in vs threads and when i post i give it my minimum, therefore reply is in red
Only Ninjutsu which would pose Tsunade trouble is Bunshin Daibakuha and Suiton Suigadan. However a paralysis genjutsu will be the best way to get passed tsunade, if he can do what he did to orochimaru, but this time its the neck that get severed. You seem to bring it was Tsunade vs Madara fighting however they were more people there to balance that fight
It occurs to me, Blaze that your bias gets the better of you in this argument. And haven't you yourself argued that Databook stats are not always valid and statements in the databook are at times contradictory and thus implied that the manga is the supreme cannon source, whereas the databooks while allowable are unreliable. Take for instance the entries on Kamui and Yata Mirror as a prime example. Though I will agree Sharingan genjutsus are harder to break.
I used to argue DB stats until i got a schooling. I used to compare people instead of thinking of an individual as an individual. Before i used to think the DB should take into consideration other character's proficiently and judge accordingly therefore only people to get a 5/5 in speed should be naruto, minato...ect. however this way of thinking is wrong. The DB doesnt take into consideration other characters and looks solely at a character's mastery in a particular therefore just because itachi's mastery in genjutsu is superior to kurenai's for example doesnt mean she isnt a master in genjutsu to warrant a 5/5 aswell
Tell me what is the difference in mental capabilities between Orochimaru and Tsunade? Tell me of the difference in strength. Praytell that I may no longer be ignorant of the difference in their chakra control.
Your claim that Orochimaru is a chakra control expert because of his databook stat for genjutsu is faulty as you've already established that Tsunade has some of the best chakra control in the Narutoverse yet her genjutsu stat is lower than Kurenai and Tayuya. The fact is that Orochimaru and Itachi are supposedly genjutsu specialist.
Both orochimaru and tsunade are durable, orochumari's durability rival's Tsunade's although alot of people seem to confuse this with immortality. Both are also mentally strong, however Tsunade's fear of blood is something to think about perhaps.... Both medic ninjutsu and genjutsu prowess, apart from high intelligence needs exceptional chakra control, which needs more?. The manga hasnt made that known although i believe its equal mastery of chakra control
If there was a category in the DB for chakra control, both Tsunade and oro would get a 5/5. The reason for uplaoding oro was to show that just because he is a sannin means nothing. Secondly orochimaru should also be very good at chakra control since that goes hand in hand with genjutsu
Your argument relies too heavily on the databook because when we speak in terms of Tsunade's feats, she has several speed feats which show that her speed is underrated. I would like to point out I've responded to your next point twice already in how she has not looked Madara in the eye despite her fighting style.
The reason why she is capable of fighting madara whilst not looking into his eyes is because she is fighting along 4 other kages. Its a team effort therefore the stress of this is less. Also majority of that fight has been mid to long range and hardly short range where Tsunade is in close proximity with madara. Ive noticed that lot of people keep saying Tsunade injured madara with taijutsu therefore she can repeat this feat. Firstly madara has been toying with the kages, but also taking advantage of his edo state, Tsunade hasnt blitzed madara. Next issue is that she hit orochimaru, orochimaru believes no attack would hurt him and thats why he didnt evade the totsuka sword. Itachi isnt as arrogant as madara to toy with tsunade or as foolish as orochimaru to think he can tank any attack
Please so that I may see the wisdom in your words explain what Ninjutsu Itachi would use and why Tsunade could not avoid them. And how his handspeed correlates to her inability to dodge ninjutsu when Madara seemingly only uses one hand seal for his jutsus. What attacks does Itachi have that is so great that is would exhaust Tsunade's expansive chakra reserve before Itachi's reserve is depleted.
Only Ninjutsu which would pose Tsunade trouble is Bunshin Daibakuha and Suiton Suigadan. However a paralysis genjutsu will be the best way to get passed tsunade, if he can do what he did to orochimaru, but this time its the neck that get severed. You seem to bring it was Tsunade vs Madara fighting however they were more people there to balance that fight
This is another topic altogether, would favour the 2 medic's though
For all youve said, i just said what i did because people believed chakra control alone is enough to break sharingan genjutsu and they argued her being a medic, thats why i claimed kabuto's fear of visual genjutsu. Anyway it would come down to who gets the first attack in. If itachi gets her in a paralysis genjutsu he wins. If she lands a punch on itachi she win. I can however see the former happening more times than the latter therefore i believe my decision is clear
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blackbird31468
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Naruto never broke out of Itachi's genjutsu; Sakura snapped him out of it. And it was a weak genjutsu too.
She might be able take a lot of hits and not die, but the Byakugou takes quite a bit of chakra and with her sloppy fighting style she'll waste a lot of unnecessary energy.
1. How would Itachi who's around 1.75 meter will be able to look into the eyes of a 10 meters (so to say) slug who has the eyes located rather to the upper sky than to the ground?
2. You keep putting words in my mouth. I said she can break out not that she's immune. Leaves her wide open from what? After the flesh comes the bone who is not that really easy to cut. The first slight of pain that she feels, she's out of genjutsu and can counter-attack. Even if not in the next instance of offensiveness while meantime she regenerates. This has been shown in the battle of the 3 Sannins. Again, failed argument.
3. Direct contact with the eyes. Why does it mean that Katsuyu has to do the same? If you put Tsunade in genjutsu, Katsuyu can disconnect her, if you put Katsuyu in genjutsu, Tsunade can disconnect her. See what I mean? Manda was by himself, Kyuubi at that time, as well.
4. Yes, Tsunade survived.
Uhm, excuse me, you call sloppy the best praised to be combatant style user in Narutovese who has been able to keep Byakugou an entire day plus around a part of the night WHILE healing and replenishing chakra of the other kages? The niece of Hashirama SENJU and Mito UZUMAKI?
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So what was your point?
talk about things relate to tsunade, jiraya/nagto has nothing to do with tsunade or relate.
you are the guy making things up, just because u want to downplay itachi vs your favorite.
Making things up like tsunade keeping up with raikage just to boost her speed.
does not matter how you want to put it, tsunade wont land a hit on itachi.
and tsunade will have her headoff like what happened to orochimaru instead of an arm.
@bolded part: it has shown that she keeps up not that she is on the same tier or surpasses him, which for the second fastest character in Narutoverse, is something. Who is the one downplaying Tsunade?
No one ever (or at least me) downplayed Itachi. Just showed proof of couter-attacks from Tsunade.
Invalid statement as you are being biased here. She doesn't even need to land a hit on him to counter attack whatever Itachi would use.
You forget how she made a hole with one finger that had Naruto almost fall if not for Shizune.
You are talking about the beheaded thing as it's a simple thing to do.
I have showed upper two ways of counter-attacking that.
blackbird31468
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Sadly, wrong. Itachi cut his hand off while he was in the middle of breaking the genjutsu.
Tsunade has a small Katsuyu on her, Itachi 3 tomoe loses easily.
MS Itachi wins.
Also, with Byakagou Regeneration in effect, please tell me where it says that severing the head ends the regeneration.
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Pff, you realise you contradict yourself, don't you?
While being severely damaged by being impaled she still lands a hit on one of the Susanoo clones.
This is the most unvalid argument I have ever seen. :sy:
Raikage's statment that her fighting style was getting sloppy was reffering to the fact that she had just been stabbed and previous to that she was fighting more efficiently in a superior manner. From what we saw on that page she still was not fighting badly as she had just manhandled a Susanoo clone something only 2/5 kages were doing.
Prince Charles
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THIS^ EXACTLY WELL SAID AND DONE; all i did was just showed ways on which tsunade could counter is attacks and defeat him, but it seems like you got worked up over such, which means you just cant find a decent solution to my ideas in which itachi could kill her easy as how your talking, i know she's not faster than A and i know that when naruto is in km he his faster than A but tsunade is a lightning user which means she can amplify her speed to any amounts she wants. HAVE YOU EVER STOP AND THINK WHY SHE WAS ABLE TO COUNTER MADARA'S FIRE BALL BEFORE MIZUKAGE COULD WEAVE A HAND SIGN, even though itachi is my favorite i know that lady tsunade can beat him and i have also gave solid proof of how he could beat her you need to read over my post from page 9, ITACHI DOESN'T HAVE LIGHTNING ELEMENT WHICH MEANS HE CANT AMPLIFY THE SPEED OF HIS HAND SIGNS TO MAKE IT MOVE EVEN MORE FASTER, itachi doesn't have huge reserves like her at first he would gain control because of his speed of his hand sings but after; i think you know what the word fatigue means right? thats the hardest thing you can actually do to tsunade, yes he might hide some scare crows under ground but with her monster strength, thats not going to work out, in order for itachi to beat her he needs to use Izanami or exhaust your chackra some how/ and of course chop her head off although all of us here hasn't seen the full potential of her byakugou so we dont know for sure if it can regrow her head or heal Amaterasu; still i wont put that in but if so, i dont see him winning at all and I'm not a tsunade fan boy I'm just compromising their abilities, saying itachi can simply beat her is not true thats just pure fanboyism Ngylle. you need a lot of solid facts, if this was about kakashi or pain i would give this to itachi
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blackbird31468
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There was nothing contradictory about what I said. The Raikage is scolding her about her fighting style, and the only way she can hit her opponents is to take a hit first. Which is risky, since if you hit her in the right spots, it could slow her down and could cause her to mess up using a wasted ed hit. Doesn't sound like the mosat effective fighting style to me.
Prince Charles
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Sure. Never in my replies I said that Tsunade wins this, Itachi has nothing to do to her like the majority here (though have to admit that some actually put up a good debate) has done.
All I did was show her counter-attacks regarding the matters with solid facts not just fanboyism stuff.
I wouldn't have written such long posts in the first place explaining how things work, I would've just gone stating the above fanboyism state.
I have showed you that sometimes it doesn't need to do that.
About what Raikage told her I already explained what that meant you just seem to ignore that.
Plus the fact that what Tsunade did there was on purpose to open an diversion attack for the other kages.
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