SM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke, Killer Bee, Kakuzu and Deidara

[genii96]

Uhh...what? He has done every single thing he performed inside his mind outside. On panel. In the real world. If you had actually saw the scans I posted in that post instead of blatantly ignoring them, you'd see both times.

Also I hate when people say that, even if he didn't do the same stuff outside. Why didn't Naruto just completely rape Kurama if he could do anything in his mind? That was before Naruto mastered Kurama. Now Naruto has limitless chakra and can throw dozens of FRS and Cho Odama Rasengan Barrages without the slightest hint of exhaustion.

And yeah, considering Kurama was hurt by FRS quite a bit, Hachibi(yeah the weaker one) isn't doing shit

Among thousands of clones? That's impossible, he won't know who to hit and he'll be hit with a bunshin feint like KakuzuProof of this? I see none Other than loads of chakra in which casually allowed an exhausted dying clone to instantly conjure hundreds of Cho Odama Rasengan?Ok, you obviously think Naruto will be standing still and letting Sasuke blindly hit him and he will never use KB. Plus if Sasuke even attempts to use Ammy when Naruto's usuing Kawazu Kumite he gets blasted in the face with a punch from mother nature, as Amaterasu spreads onto himself. Then Naruto poofs.Hasn't shown anything useful whatsoever Youve given literally nothing to support thisFalse, that was during the pain fight before Naruto mastered SM, read the manga Fodderized by Cho Odamas All effortlessly avoided with sage sensing and far superior speed like Kabuto did. BaselessSupport this, Naruto can dodge easily, and what will Susano'o do to 1000 clones? Nothing, it will just kill a bunch of fodder while Susano'o gets nuked with a FRS Barrage And then run out of chakra and die of chakra loss 20 seconds into the fight? FRS barrage to create Fuuton Amatornado A proved its useless if you can't keep up, Kabuto dodged susano'o arrows effortlessly, and Sasuke stil lcan't do anything about 1,000 clones and FRS Barrage When? Not too hard considering the giant craters FRS makes casually and the fact that everything you posted was baseless and doesn't prove in any way shape or form how he tanks multiple FRS/Cho Odama What?

Yes, all of those raiton jutsu will absolutely destroy an army of 1000 master fuuton users.


Wow, isn't that convenient genii? because now Naruto does have Kyuubi's chakra!

1) he and his clones were moving and entering sage mode,he cant do that outside his body,when has naruto created that many clones in sage mode?. Also kurama's chakra has nothing to do with senjutsu chakra,he can only stay long in sage mode if he has ma and pa who also can absorb nature chakra on his shoulders,you have seen how long it takes to summon those toads. Naruto mastering sage mode means he can enter it himself,he cant stay forever without ma and pa,and kurama cant offer any chakra in sage mode,bcos then it would be a kn transformation,as kurama cant absorb natural energy. Naruto can not stay in sm forever by himself or from kurama at all.

2) when can naruto create a thousand clones in sm?where did you get ths from?,naruto's sm chakra depletes as he uses it,he needs ma and pa to stay in sm for long,kurama has nothing on sm,it cant give naruto sm chakra,can it? And naruti mastered sm before he fought pain,read the manga,the weakness of sm is that you need to remain still and that you can only stay for a few mins in sm,ma and pa fused with you removes these problems as they supply you with nature energy.

3) naruto isnt anywhere as strong or fast as sm kabuto,dont even try to compare them. Sasuke's susanoo will block any rasengan,itachi's incomplete form took kirin,sasuke's ems final version will easily block any rasengan,frog katas are useless if he cant hit sasuke with his susanoo,he cant make thousands of sm clones,if he does he goes out of sm immediately,sasuke has been spamming his techs without any worries. His enton magatama from his susanoo will hit any clone around. His shield of black flames will roast any one that approaches,rasengan cant hit fire can it?,not to mention that he can spam his enton to make kirin much faster than against itachi,his ems will predict any movement naruto makes,his susanoo sword will pierce any clone in it's path.

3) naruto can't hold his sm forever unless he summons ma and pa,which he wont have time here,kurama cant give naruto chakra in sm,otherwise it ISNT only sm anymore,he cant make 1000 clones,he cant stay there forever,kurama cant do anything in sm as he dosent have experience with toad sage,he can only allow the fusion of ma and pa,RS is easily countered by yasa magatama or ama.

Sm Naruto cant beat ems sasuke,definately cant beat killer b,and has no chance in hell of beating those four guys alone.

 

[TheSages456]

Yo, Sages hates anyone who doesn't have Hashirama in his name, and he especially hates Naruto and Tobi. Don't try debating with him over Naruto and Tobi soloing anyone, even if they obviously can.

so you think that any form of naruto could take this? ok you just lost all credibility. im not biased, i am tired of wankers. both naruto and tobi are in my top 5 so please stop spewing nonsense. of course they can beat other ninjas.

 

[Steinbiz]

EMS sasuke Solos

sasuke solos

Naruto gets stomped, Sasuke could solo this why the hell would anyone actually try to argue that Naruto has a chance.

No, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance.

But yes, Naruto would be crushed.

 

[genii96]

No, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance.

But yes, Naruto would be crushed.

you think sm naruto can beat ems sasuke?:|

 

[KidGamer65]

No, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance.

But yes, Naruto would be crushed.

No, you're wrong Sasuke solos this, the others aren't needed.

 

[Steinbiz]

you think sm naruto can beat ems sasuke?:|

yes, SM, KM, BM. either one can take EMS Sasuke.

-SM defeated Kurama
-KM can defeat several kage's at once
-BM is almost godly rather than shinobi.

^ Sasuke can not achieve any of these feats.

If it weren't for Izanami(a.k.a. Kabuto being ignorant), SM Kabuto would've defeated EMS Sasuke and Edo(healthy)Itachi. If SM Kabuto can do that, SM Naruto could do about the same. Just think what BM Naruto could do.

 

[genii96]

yes, SM, KM, BM. either one can take EMS Sasuke.

-SM defeated Kurama
-KM can defeat several kage's at once
-BM is almost godly rather than shinobi.

^ Sasuke can not achieve any of these feats.

If it weren't for Izanami(a.k.a. Kabuto being ignorant), SM Kabuto would've defeated EMS Sasuke and Edo(healthy)Itachi. If SM Kabuto can do that, SM Naruto could do about the same. Just think what BM Naruto could do.

sm kabuto is far above sm naruto.sm defeated kurama in his mind,bee helped him tank a tbb,kushina helped him survive the foul chakra of kurama and helped naruto bigtime against kurama,and naruto already said he couldnt beat ms sasuke:|

 

[TobisPawn]

Hey wait a second, you think Naruto can solo this team:shrug:? I thought you were smarter than that.

Of course not. But in general, Sages underrates them.

 

[Steinbiz]

sm kabuto is far above sm naruto.sm defeated kurama in his mind,bee helped him tank a tbb,kushina helped him survive the foul chakra of kurama and helped naruto bigtime against kurama,and naruto already said he couldnt beat ms sasuke:|

mmmmm, in his mind or not, makes no difference. They still showed the same abilities. It was more of a spiritual fight than physical. Nevertheless, same powers from both sides. Killer Bee did tank TBB, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But Kushina only helped a little bit with the chains. The entire fight was basically Naruto overwhelming Kurama with SM attacks, while Kurama was baffled with how powerful Naruto had become. Whether it was using raw strength from SM to lift and throw Kurama or doing attacks like Ultimate Rasengan Barrage or SM Rasenshurikens, Kurama was basically surviving the fight, not actually fighting.

I honestly think SM is VERY underrated on this website. I don't see how anyone with MS/EMS can take someone with SM.
-intense speed(which Sasuke could probably keep up with thanks to Sharingan)
-insane strength(on multiple occassions)
-enhanced jutsu power(doesn't need explaination)
-ability to sense chakra and incoming attacks(like SM Naruto vs 3rd Raikage)(or Sm Kabuto vs Sasuke's Susano'o arrows)

I just don't see MS/EMS users winning against those things.

 

[KidGamer65]

yes, SM, KM, BM. either one can take EMS Sasuke.

-SM defeated Kurama
-KM can defeat several kage's at once
-BM is almost godly rather than shinobi.

^ Sasuke can not achieve any of these feats.

If it weren't for Izanami(a.k.a. Kabuto being ignorant), SM Kabuto would've defeated EMS Sasuke and Edo(healthy)Itachi. If SM Kabuto can do that, SM Naruto could do about the same. Just think what BM Naruto could do.

SM Kabuto > SM Naruto, Naruto is not soloing Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke, stop the wank.

 

[Steinbiz]

SM Kabuto > SM Naruto, Naruto is not soloing Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke, stop the wank.

any evidence on SM Kabuto being better than SM Naruto? Not saying I disagree, but they utilize the same abilities. In fact, kabuto didn't show any signs of enhanced physical strength or real intense speed. kabuto only showed sensory and enhanced jutsu abilities. Sure he had several shinobi in his arsenal, but that doesn't matter. 1 jutsu or 1000 jutsu, it doesn't matter. Tobi only uses 1 jutsu, look how ridiculously powerful he is. Naruto only uses shadow clones and variations of Rasengans, yet he's one of the strongest in the show. Tsunade only has super strength and medical ninjutsu, yet she's unkillable unless fatigued.

 

[Steinbiz]

On topic though, SM Naruto can't win this fight at all. But if he were BM then probably. BM could give him the speed that no one would be able to follow, and attacks that would completely overwhelm any 4 of these shinobi. Even with Killer Bee releasing the 8 tails, it's still a tough call, BM mode is far stronger than actual Kurama.

If SM Naruto can dodge Raikage, and KM Naruto can outrun Raikage, think how fast BM makes Naruto. Even Kakashi thought he was so fast it was Minato "flashing" before his eyes. Sasuke, Killer Bee, Kakuzu or Deidara arn't following that speed.

 

[Icelerate]

mmmmm, in his mind or not, makes no difference. They still showed the same abilities. It was more of a spiritual fight than physical. Nevertheless, same powers from both sides. Killer Bee did tank TBB, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But Kushina only helped a little bit with the chains. The entire fight was basically Naruto overwhelming Kurama with SM attacks, while Kurama was baffled with how powerful Naruto had become. Whether it was using raw strength from SM to lift and throw Kurama or doing attacks like Ultimate Rasengan Barrage or SM Rasenshurikens, Kurama was basically surviving the fight, not actually fighting.

I honestly think SM is VERY underrated on this website. I don't see how anyone with MS/EMS can take someone with SM.
-intense speed(which Sasuke could probably keep up with thanks to Sharingan)
-insane strength(on multiple occassions)
-enhanced jutsu power(doesn't need explaination)
-ability to sense chakra and incoming attacks(like SM Naruto vs 3rd Raikage)(or Sm Kabuto vs Sasuke's Susano'o arrows)

I just don't see MS/EMS users winning against those things.

The fight was SM Naruto, Killer Bee and Kushina VS Kyubbi. Also it is true that Naruto can spam clones which can then go on to spam rasengan but a rasenshuriken barrage in sage mode is off limits to him since even one rasenshuriken took a huge amount of chakra during his fight with Pain. Also keep in mind of Sasuke's enton spam and manipulation. These flames may be avoidable but I reckon that they will do a huge amount of damage against Naruto's clone army. Also I don't think you get how OP the susanoo is, if Naruto comes close to it, Sasuke can just swing his susanoo like a golemn to knock Naruto back or destroy any shadow clones. Also his susanoo is covered with enton so I don't see how Naruto can come close to it.

Insane strength is good and all but I think in this scenario up against a MS it is kind of useless. Also I do agree Naruto has sharp reflexes in sage mode but he can't outright dodge amaterasu since those flames spawn where the target is staring. If Sasuke can keep up with Sage mode Naruto, amaterasu is very deadly. A clone army though will prevent an amaterasu one shot. Also bare in mind that kirin may easily strike Naruto while the battle is going on since Naruto will be busy fighting and dodging Sasuke and his attacks.

Naruto does have his chances at winning against Sasuke and will most likely win with Ma and Pa but without them, he will lose.

 

[KidGamer65]

any evidence on SM Kabuto being better than SM Naruto? Not saying I disagree, but they utilize the same abilities. In fact, kabuto didn't show any signs of enhanced physical strength or real intense speed. kabuto only showed sensory and enhanced jutsu abilities. Sure he had several shinobi in his arsenal, but that doesn't matter. 1 jutsu or 1000 jutsu, it doesn't matter. Tobi only uses 1 jutsu, look how ridiculously powerful he is. Naruto only uses shadow clones and variations of Rasengans, yet he's one of the strongest in the show. Tsunade only has super strength and medical ninjutsu, yet she's unkillable unless fatigued.

Yes it does matter, the kind of jutsu it is matters, Tobi's 1 jutsu is a type of jutsu that makes him very hard to hit. Kabuto's jutsu are better than Naruto's.

 

[Joki]

Yo, Sages hates anyone who doesn't have Hashirama in his name, and he especially hates Naruto and Tobi. Don't try debating with him over Naruto and Tobi soloing anyone, even if they obviously can.

Nahhhh sage is a pretty cool guy it's ok man <3

1) he and his clones were moving and entering sage mode,he cant do that outside his body,when has naruto created that many clones in sage mode?

Multiple multiple times

. Also kurama's chakra has nothing to do with senjutsu chakra,he can only stay long in sage mode if he has ma and pa who also can absorb nature chakra on his shoulders,

Wut? Naruto's entered SM instantly on multiplke occeasions

you have seen how long it takes to summon those toads.

about 30 seconds and Jiraiya has inferior chakra control?

Naruto mastering sage mode means he can enter it himself,he cant stay forever without ma and pa,

Good thing he actually does and he doesn't need to stay in it forever

and kurama cant offer any chakra in sage mode,bcos then it would be a kn transformation,as kurama cant absorb natural energy.

What does Kurama have to do with natural energy? Nothing, why are you trying to argue against what happened in the manga? This is like saying Sasuke can't use chidori because the mechanics behind the physics of the jutsu is impossible. Which is weird because he actually used chidori on panel

Naruto can not stay in sm forever by himself or from kurama at all.

Good thing it only takes about 1 second to enter SM if it ran out, and he doesn't need much time

2) when can naruto create a thousand clones in sm?where did you get ths from?,

Uhh..from common sense. Are you really arguing against Naruto being able to use SM clones? He got over that weakness at the end of the pain fight, he only couldn't use clones because they had to gather energy for him. Now he can enter it instantly, and he DID use SM clones before. Stop bullshitting, now prove why he can't.

naruto's sm chakra depletes as he uses it,he needs ma and pa to stay in sm for long,

False, he hasn't used them before and he's had plenty of time in SM instantly without clones or the boss toads. He can enter it easily alone.

kurama has nothing on sm,it cant give naruto sm chakra,can it?

What does that have to do with anything? He made a random base clone who was literally about to poof from exhaustion top tier status by giving him an extermely small fraction of chakra and he made hundreds of cho odama rasengan in an instant

And naruti mastered sm before he fought pain,read the manga,the weakness of sm is that you need to remain still and that you can only stay for a few mins in sm,ma and pa fused with you removes these problems as they supply you with nature energy.

Me read the manga? This is exactly the "weakness" that Naruto mastered at end of the pain fight. He can enter it instantly now, do you want me to get 9823749827 scans?

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3) naruto isnt anywhere as strong or fast as sm kabuto,dont even try to compare them.

Oh? Where exactly is amazing displays of Kabuto's speed that put him above SM Naruto, hmm?

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Sasuke's susanoo will block any rasengan,

Hm? I said support your shit. If you're going to say Sasuke's susano'o can tank something, post scans. Else I could punch that shit and it'd blow up into 100000 pieces. That's baseless, Naruto's cho odama rasengan barrage or FRS barrage tears it apart.

itachi's incomplete form took kirin,sasuke's ems final version will easily block any rasengan,

We didn't see what happened to judge, it's obvious that Tsunade's punch isn't anywhere near Kirin's level yet it raped Madara's EMS susano'o in its incomplete form, it's obvious it was Itachi's full susano'o, so get out. And Naruto's cho odama rasengan barrage trumps Kirin's level or power easily. Can you stop ignoring the scans I posted blatantly so yo udon't look like a fool?

frog katas are useless if he cant hit sasuke with his susanoo,

Good thing he can, you haven't given shit to support it, and Sasuke is far too slow

he cant make thousands of sm clones,if he does he goes out of sm immediately,

Blatantly false, Naruto splits up his chakra in half, making SM clones has absolutely nothing to do with that. Stop bullshitting, I mean, if I was in your position I wouldn't just randomly say "lol Naruto suddenly can't use Kage Bunshin now because if he does then I would be wrong and my team would lose".

sasuke has been spamming his techs without any worries.

Everything he's done so far would just kill waves of clones and then Naruto could blow him up effortlessly

His enton magatama from his susanoo will hit any clone around.

Cool story, it hit like 6 Zetsu at once, not really gonna help a giant army of people who can use giant rasengan the sizes of cars.

His shield of black flames will roast any one that approaches,

Implying Naruto can't barrage with FRS

rasengan cant hit fire can it?

Um wut?

,not to mention that he can spam his enton to make kirin much faster than against itachi,

What will he use that for to kill a wave of clones? Naruto just makes 1000 more and then beat the crap out of Sasuke when he destroys his own Susano'o.

his ems will predict any movement naruto makes,his susanoo sword will pierce any clone in it's path.

Yeah because all the clones have 0 brain and will just stand there and let susano'o sword destroy them all. No, they gonna move, and they're gonna blow his shit up with an FRS or cho odama rasengan barrage. Thanks for posting 0 scans to support what you say, as of now your argument holds literally no water whatsoevert and everything you said is baseless and wrong.

And yeah...Sasuke's not "predicting" SM movements, nice try though.

3) naruto can't hold his sm forever unless he summons ma and pa,

Yeah, there's not much difference between "Forever" and "charging energy for less than 1 second recharges SM again to full"

which he wont have time here,kurama cant give naruto chakra in sm,otherwise it ISNT only sm anymore,

Seriously, what the hell are you even talking about any more

he cant make 1000 clones,

Loool, yes he can

he cant stay there forever,kurama cant do anything in sm as he dosent have experience with toad sage,he can only allow the fusion of ma and pa,

RS is easily countered by yasa magatama or ama.

Oh really? When have they come anywhere near matching FRS's power? Last I checked, Madara's highly superior one didn't even break through a small sand/rock shield. FRS obliterates, and since when could Sasuke casualyl throw hundreds of magatama? I'd love for him to waste them all killing clones and then die of chakra loss.

Sm Naruto cant beat ems sasuke,definately cant beat killer b,and has no chance in hell of beating those four guys alone.

Yeah, since you've given 0 pages and 0 proof whatsoever to prove it, this post was as good as saying "nanaa booboo i'm right ur wrong sasukes team stomps"

I'm going to need ACTUAL pages. That support the things you say. Because they're BS

 

[TobisPawn]

Spoiler

Nahhhh sage is a pretty cool guy it's ok man <3

Multiple multiple timesWut? Naruto's entered SM instantly on multiplke occeasions about 30 seconds and Jiraiya has inferior chakra control? Good thing he actually does and he doesn't need to stay in it forever What does Kurama have to do with natural energy? Nothing, why are you trying to argue against what happened in the manga? This is like saying Sasuke can't use chidori because the mechanics behind the physics of the jutsu is impossible. Which is weird because he actually used chidori on panelGood thing it only takes about 1 second to enter SM if it ran out, and he doesn't need much time
Uhh..from common sense. Are you really arguing against Naruto being able to use SM clones? He got over that weakness at the end of the pain fight, he only couldn't use clones because they had to gather energy for him. Now he can enter it instantly, and he DID use SM clones before. Stop bullshitting, now prove why he can't. False, he hasn't used them before and he's had plenty of time in SM instantly without clones or the boss toads. He can enter it easily alone. What does that have to do with anything? He made a random base clone who was literally about to poof from exhaustion top tier status by giving him an extermely small fraction of chakra and he made hundreds of cho odama rasengan in an instant
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GGOh? Where exactly is amazing displays of Kabuto's speed that put him above SM Naruto, hmm?

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Hm? I said support your shit. If you're going to say Sasuke's susano'o can tank something, post scans. Else I could punch that shit and it'd blow up into 100000 pieces. That's baseless, Naruto's cho odama rasengan barrage or FRS barrage tears it apart. We didn't see what happened to judge, it's obvious that Tsunade's punch isn't anywhere near Kirin's level yet it raped Madara's EMS susano'o in its incomplete form, it's obvious it was Itachi's full susano'o, so get out. And Naruto's cho odama rasengan barrage trumps Kirin's level or power easily. Can you stop ignoring the scans I posted blatantly so yo udon't look like a fool? Good thing he can, you haven't given shit to support it, and Sasuke is far too slow Blatantly false, Naruto splits up his chakra in half, making SM clones has absolutely nothing to do with that. Stop bullshitting, I mean, if I was in your position I wouldn't just randomly say "lol Naruto suddenly can't use Kage Bunshin now because if he does then I would be wrong and my team would lose".Everything he's done so far would just kill waves of clones and then Naruto could blow him up effortlesslyCool story, it hit like 6 Zetsu at once, not really gonna help a giant army of people who can use giant rasengan the sizes of cars. Implying Naruto can't barrage with FRS Um wut? What will he use that for to kill a wave of clones? Naruto just makes 1000 more and then beat the crap out of Sasuke when he destroys his own Susano'o. Yeah because all the clones have 0 brain and will just stand there and let susano'o sword destroy them all. No, they gonna move, and they're gonna blow his shit up with an FRS or cho odama rasengan barrage. Thanks for posting 0 scans to support what you say, as of now your argument holds literally no water whatsoevert and everything you said is baseless and wrong.

And yeah...Sasuke's not "predicting" SM movements, nice try though.
Yeah, there's not much difference between "Forever" and "charging energy for less than 1 second recharges SM again to full" Seriously, what the hell are you even talking about any moreLoool, yes he can Oh really? When have they come anywhere near matching FRS's power? Last I checked, Madara's highly superior one didn't even break through a small sand/rock shield. FRS obliterates, and since when could Sasuke casualyl throw hundreds of magatama? I'd love for him to waste them all killing clones and then die of chakra loss.

Yeah, since you've given 0 pages and 0 proof whatsoever to prove it, this post was as good as saying "nanaa booboo i'm right ur wrong sasukes team stomps"

I'm going to need ACTUAL pages. That support the things you say. Because they're BS

Damn Joki, you're on a roll. :drive:

so you think that any form of naruto could take this? ok you just lost all credibility. im not biased, i am tired of wankers. both naruto and tobi are in my top 5 so please stop spewing nonsense. of course they can beat other ninjas.

I never said that; just saying that you tend to underrate Tobi and Naruto extremely. Of course Naruto loses this no matter what. And you're calling me biased? :rofl::rofl::rofl: You're probably one of the most biased people on the base, sir Hashirama > Kabuto, Tobi, and Edo Madara.

Even if they're in you're top 5, you still underrate them to a point that it seems like you're trolling. Its as if the distance between your #2 and #3 is like the distance between Hashirama and Tsunade. U_U

 

[fourth kazekage]

genii,why are you debating with him?,the fact that he thinks sm naruto can make 1000 clones already shows he is a moronxd,in all my life,i have never seen such stupidity.

 

[Joki]

genii,why are you debating with him?,the fact that he thinks sm naruto can make 1000 clones already shows he is a moronxd,in all my life,i have never seen such stupidity.

The fact that this post was revolving around Naruto not being able to make SM clones when manga fact proves otherwise makes me laugh. "omfg, making SM clones is the stupidest thing I've seen in my life! I don't care if the manga specifically proves it can happen! I don't want Naruto to win so wah no clones!"

 

[Bogard]

Sorry Joki, but you're overrating SM Naruto here U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry Joki, but you're overrating SM Naruto here U_U

Yeah I agree this is just plain Naruto wank.