Manga proof on why preta path can absorb Mokuton

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Just to add, Madara seems to think the Rinnegan reigns supreme over such jutsu. 3 translations of what he said are below:

"Have you gone senile, Ohnoki? The Rinnegan can absorb all Jutsu... Fighting me with Ninjutsu will not work. You should know the only way to defeat me is to beat me in direct combat and seal me."

"Did you become senile, oonoki? The rinnegan are able to absorb any kind of technique… ninjutsu doesn’t work on me"

"You going senile, Oonoki? The Rinnegan absorbs all jutsu. Ninjutsu of that stripe won't get through to me."
According to *********** madara said "Have you gone senile onoki? This type of ninjutsu doesn't work against the rinnegan since it can absorb it". Notice how madara says "this type of ninjutsu". Even in one of the translations you posted madara said "ninjutsu of that stripe won't get through to me". Anyway its clear as day that mokuton can't be absorbed as mokuton is actual life. Hashiramas chakra is just a source that allows it to grow.
 

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It will leave an open spot to attack so thats a bad idea to absorb the forest

There's 5 all paths defending that specific path. I wouldn't be worried about an attack.
 

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According to *********** madara said "Have you gone senile onoki? This type of ninjutsu doesn't work against the rinnegan since it can absorb it". Notice how madara says "this type of ninjutsu". Even in one of the translations you posted madara said "ninjutsu of that stripe won't get through to me". Anyway its clear as day that mokuton can't be absorbed as mokuton is actual life. Hashiramas chakra is just a source that allows it to grow.

Did I say the quotes confirmed Preta Path > Mokuton? Hurrr durrr, no. My pieces have been said, backed up by that which has been stated in the manga.

Fūjutsu Kyūin has no limits when it comes to offensive based Ninjutsu, since there is no information in the manga which implies a contradiction has occured, unlike, say, Amaterasu (since we've seen that it cannot be as hot as the sun as it did not destroy the atmosphere). Regardless of the form the chakra takes, be it feathers, lightbulbs, or in this case, trees, Preta Path will spin the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. The 'life' which Shodai is giving his trees is nothing more than his very own chakra - as stated . Again, there is nothing to distinguish between Mokuton and any other form of ninjutsu, since Yamato himself has stated that it is merely the of Suiton and Doton; again, this has been stated in the manga. The only time Mokuton will resist being absorbed is if Hashirama manipulates pre-existing seeds or plants in the environment, pumping his chakra into them and forcing them to grow. This would be exactly the same as what Gaara does with his sand, where Madara was only able to absorb the chakra, not the substance. Hashirama cannot use Creation of all things, he cannot create something out of nothing. His techniques are all sourced from one place (his chakra) and are merely chakra in another form.

Thanks. These things have been canonically stated. They cannot be argued with, since it is merely chakra in another form. It's irrelevant how 'real' the trees may be since we have evidence of Jiraiya's oil being absorbed. Suiton, Doton (and to complete it) Yang chakra = Mokuton. It's only unclear whether or not Shodai is manipulating pre-existing materials or whether he's making it himself (when we see Mokuton come out of the ground, we cannot truely say). But if we see it being expelled straight from his body, it is as clear as day.

And that's just from that little thread. Not getting into this again since it's crystal clear to me and has become a rather boring topic.
 

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According to *********** madara said "Have you gone senile onoki? This type of ninjutsu doesn't work against the rinnegan since it can absorb it". Notice how madara says "this type of ninjutsu". Even in one of the translations you posted madara said "ninjutsu of that stripe won't get through to me". Anyway its clear as day that mokuton can't be absorbed as mokuton is actual life. Hashiramas chakra is just a source that allows it to grow.

I don't believe there is a single page in the manga, that states hashirama uses yang in the process of his wood style. The only person who manipulates yang to create life is the sage of six paths. I already posted a manga page explaining the mechanics of wood release.



This is also the databook, it states otherwise as well.
 

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I don't believe there is a single page in the manga, that states hashirama uses yang in the process of his wood style. The only person who manipulates yang to create life is the sage of six paths. I already posted a manga page explaining the mechanics of wood release.



This is also the databook, it states otherwise as well.
The senjus inherited rikudo sennins yang just like uchihas inherited his yin. Ms techs are yin release. Hashiramas mokuton is yang release. Yang release breathes life into things and hashirama creates actual life.
 

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Talking about nagato here

I wouldn't be worried, worst case scenario nagato has to shinra tensei, but he absorbed V2 Jinchuriki shroud very quickly i'm sure the same would happen to the wood.
 

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The senjus inherited rikudo sennins yang just like uchihas inherited his yin. Ms techs are yin release. Hashiramas mokuton is yang release. Yang release breathes life into things and hashirama creates actual life.

No the uchiha inherited his eyes and the senju's his body. Yin and Yang aren't blood line related.



They're gifted with spiritual and physical energies, but that doesn't constitute as an elemental release lol.
 
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No the uchiha inherited his eyes and the senju's his body. Yin and Yang aren't blood line related.
Senjus inherited his physical energy and strong lifeforce which can breathe life into things which is yang energy. Uchihas have his mental powers and strong chakras and can create things from nothing(ms techs). That is yin release. Everyone has those but senjus and uchihas have an exceptional amount.
 

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Senjus inherited his physical energy and strong lifeforce which can breathe life into things which is yang energy. Uchihas have his mental powers and strong chakras and can create things from nothing(ms techs). That is yin release. Everyone has those but senjus and uchihas have an exceptional amount.

Yes you are correct. The only issue is that wood release stems from Suiton and Doton. You have to mould Yin and Yang to form chakra for ninjutsu. So according to what your saying, you need to use a high amount of yang release to use wood release. That's never been stated anywhere. Yes yang creates life (ex naruto and yamatos wood release getting stronger when he goes into KM) but its never been said anywhere in the manga or databook that you need yang release in order to use wood release.
 

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He cannot absorb the trees because the trees are a life form. We know this already. What preta path can absorb is the chakara within them.
 

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He cannot absorb the trees because the trees are a life form. We know this already. What preta path can absorb is the chakara within them.

Which essentially makes the tree's unable to be manipulated.
 

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Yes you are correct. The only issue is that wood release stems from Suiton and Doton. You have to mould Yin and Yang to form chakra for ninjutsu. So according to what your saying, you need to use a high amount of yang release to use wood release. That's never been stated anywhere. Yes yang creates life (ex naruto and yamatos wood release getting stronger when he goes into KM) but its never been said anywhere in the manga or databook that you need yang release in order to use wood release.
In order to use mokuton, hashirama applicates his powerful life force which is his yang energy. It is the same way that narutos yang chakra shroud made the zetsus grow into trees. It is because of the life giving traits of yang energy.
 

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Which essentially makes the tree's unable to be manipulated.

What your saying makes no sense. What Hashirama and Madara is doing is making the life force grow through the life force chakara that Hashirama has. Madara is able to either make actual tree or the roots of trees and depending on how much chakara he puts into them the larger they grow. This is what Hashirama chakara does and its probably the reason why Obito's sharigan hasn't lost its light within Tobi's grasp and it explains why Tobi's Izanagi is able to be manipulated well beyond then what its suppose to be according he himself.
 

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so you are gonna just stand there all day, asborbing a whole forest? :)
 
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Yes it can absorb it but, cmon son, absorbing a whole forest? Lol, not possible.
 

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Why are people claiming he'd need to absorb the entire forest? It's obvious that he'd just absorb that which provides an immediate threat to his safety, and thus, would only deal with the Mokuton near him. What's a bunch of trees hundreds of meters away going to do? lol.
 

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Dude, you're stealing ideas again. It's not nice.
At least give some credits to the ones who posted this FIRST!

You did this thing yesterday as well. This is the second time.
It's really not nice!
 
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