[Discussion] Izuna Uchiha - what happened to him?

[Kikki]

I'm just wondering if it was ever explained what happened to Madara's brother Izuna.

I still have the mild hope that he is Tobi because it would make alot of sense. If he got killed by Madara or died any other way, why wasn't he revived? All the big people got revived by Edo tensei, why not him? Logically he should appear somewhere and fight. They got Madara's dna, they would have tried to find Izuna's.

What if he killed Madara and took his identity because he was jealous? What if he said to be Madara and started the war? Maybe he even put Madara under genjutsu to make him fight the first hokage?

What if he killed the real Madara just after he awakened his rinnegan, then he gave it to Nagato and formed and controlled the Akatsuki as Tobi? That would explain how Nagato got rinnegan.

Age-wise, it works. Tobi looks old. Hair-wise, works too. Maybe Izuna was the bad guy and not Madara. Who knows! Discuss!

Yeah, maybe this is all weird thinking but it could be a fun discussion.

What do you guys think?

 

[markdabomb22]

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[BeastMode]

I still hold out hope my friend I really do. Kagami...Izuna....hell, Danzo..anybody but Obito. But I believe that it is Obito even though I don't want it to be, just too much evidence. It was at one point arguable that it could be someone else like Izuna but at this point all of the evidence points towards Obito.

But good theory though seriously I'll hold out hope for your theory

 

[shk1020]

I still hold out hope my friend I really do. Kagami...Izuna....hell, Danzo..anybody but Obito. But I believe that it is Obito even though I don't want it to be, just too much evidence. It was at one point arguable that it could be someone else like Izuna but at this point all of the evidence points towards Obito.

But good theory though seriously I'll hold out hope for your theory

what evidence...other than the eye? many thought tobi was madara before the edo-madara was revealed. so until we see tobi = obito, it cant really be proved. (i know it works both ways but still i stand by my point )

 

[Prime Rib]

well its been said that izuna died fighting in his blind side, and the reason he hasnt been revived its cause he is tobi

 

[shk1020]

well its been said that izuna died fighting in his blind side, and the reason he hasnt been revived its cause he is tobi

haha

 

[Kikki]

well its been said that izuna died fighting in his blind side, and the reason he hasnt been revived its cause he is tobi

:ice:
That's exactly what my husband said yesterday. I didn't really want to make this thread but he had so many good points that I ignored the fact that I might get flamed for it.

 

[BeastMode]

what evidence...other than the eye? many thought tobi was madara before the edo-madara was revealed. so until we see tobi = obito, it cant really be proved. (i know it works both ways but still i stand by my point )

Well that and along with all of the foreshadowing and the way Tobi is talking about Kakashi's sharingan....same ole same ole. I swear, Obito=Tobi fans, this includes me, are like sharks...any hint of Tobi being Obito at all and we feed off of it likes it's bloody chum.

 

[shk1020]

Well that and along with all of the foreshadowing and the way Tobi is talking about Kakashi's sharingan....same ole same ole. I swear, Obito=Tobi fans, this includes me, are like sharks...any hint of Tobi being Obito at all and we feed off of it likes it's bloody chum.

the reason why i (and probably many others) feel tobi shouldnt be obito is because we waited all these years for one of the biggest secrets and the character turns out to be someone we could have guessed about 3 years ago...whenever the sharingan of tobi was revealed.

as someone posted and raged about how tobi cant be izuna and must be tobi in one of the posts ive read (might be on another forum), i feel there should be a more complex reasoning behind tobi.

if he turns out to be obito, he could still have a back story and close up all the loops and missing links, but changing a name from tobi to obito is simply stupid. couldnt tobi (kishi) come up with a better name to at least make it not so obvious.

as a writer, you want to throw twists in your story. again, until edo-madara was revealed, im sure 90%+ of naruto fans went along and believed tobi is madara (joined the bandwagaon) ... then as soon as madara was revealed, most jumped off. some still believe its zetsu with madara's dna.


and the story goes on...

 

[Kikki]

I forgot to mention two more little things that would support the Izuna-theory:

1. As shk1020 said, the name thing would be silly (Obito, Tobi).
2. It would be too simple for Kishi. He intentionally hints towards Obito now so we all think so, then, as we know him, he will make everything fully different again.

Of course, Kishi being Kishi and Tobi being Obito being too simple can't be the only reason why Tobi could be Izuna but there are many things that go for it.

Plus...

Someone being dead or people saying someone was killed, never stopped Kishi bringing people back up. When you say it can't be Izuna because Izuna was sacrificed for Madara and the clan (thus being dead) you can as well say it cannot be Obito since Obito was so very squished and dead. Don't let 'death' confuse you, everything is still possible.

To answer to the knowledge aspect (Tobi knows just about everything) I believe all this information comes from Zetsu's spying. Zetsu can record everything, can hide everywhere and was close to Tobi for the longest time.

I'm sorry that I made it all turn into a Tobi thread when it was meant to be an Izuna thread but this seems to be the nature of all things at the moment.

 

[Daka]

The reason why people dont think that Tobi is Izuna is because it's mentioned that he died. But they can't make difference between died and dead - example: Kakashi died but he isn't dead right ? He was revived by Nagato.

 

[saw2097]

Izuna doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective. He has no emotional impact and his connection with Madara has already been revealed. Actually he was originally the most obvious choice thats why I am leaning towards Obito.

I don't see why Izuna would need to wear a mask either.

 

[Daka]

When i see Izuna alive or revived i will say that he isn't Tobi till then i will think that Tobi is Izuna even if we see obito's face in next chapter. I mean he was almost strong like Madara and Kabuto didn't revived him ? Imagine if he revived him and put Hashirama cells in him, then it would be imposible for someone to defeat the 2 brothers and why didn't Kabuto do it, maybe he didnt find his body haha he found madara's and many others and he didn't even mentioned him.

 

[shk1020]

Izuna doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective. He has no emotional impact and his connection with Madara has already been revealed. Actually he was originally the most obvious choice thats why I am leaning towards Obito.

I don't see why Izuna would need to wear a mask either.

mask is there to make people believe he was madara (initially).

emotional impact?

again, if it turns out to be obito...madara's connection to obito would make the least sense. ive stated it before....of ALL the uchiha alive before the masacre, madara chose obito.

the only way i will accept this is if obito turns out to be a direct (and LAST) decendant of madara himself. that is to say, madara is the grandfather (or great-grandfather) of obito.

since the first was the grandfather of tsunade, and tsunade and kakashi seem to have a generation (~10-20 yrs between them) i feel that is the only connection obito/madara might have.

 

[Takos]

I don't agree. You say Tobi can't be Obito, because that would be too obvious. But it's not! It would be if there were no plot holes, but there is a whole bunch of them! That's what makes non-Tobito followers believe it's not Obito.

I personally believe it's Obito, but not only because it's obvious. I think so because that's the only way manga can get emotional after revealing his identity. I mean, will anyone be touched if Tobi turns out to be Izuna? Nope, they will be like "You should be dead! But well, whatever, let's continue...".

And THIS is my main argument.

again, if it turns out to be obito...madara's connection to obito would make the least sense. ive stated it before....of ALL the uchiha alive before the masacre, madara chose obito.

Madara could have rescued him and Obito could have trained under Madara. But that's just a possiblity. Emotional impact, as you two put it, is still what makes me think like this.

Besides, Kishi only stated that the two know each other. He didn't tell us how close to each other they are.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I'm just wondering if it was ever explained what happened to Madara's brother Izuna.

I still have the mild hope that he is Tobi because it would make alot of sense. If he got killed by Madara or died any other way, why wasn't he revived? All the big people got revived by Edo tensei, why not him? Logically he should appear somewhere and fight. They got Madara's dna, they would have tried to find Izuna's.

What if he killed Madara and took his identity because he was jealous? What if he said to be Madara and started the war? Maybe he even put Madara under genjutsu to make him fight the first hokage?

What if he killed the real Madara just after he awakened his rinnegan, then he gave it to Nagato and formed and controlled the Akatsuki as Tobi? That would explain how Nagato got rinnegan.

Age-wise, it works. Tobi looks old. Hair-wise, works too. Maybe Izuna was the bad guy and not Madara. Who knows! Discuss!

Yeah, maybe this is all weird thinking but it could be a fun discussion.

What do you guys think?

1. Madara knew about the Moon's eye plan
2. Madara was expecting to be revived by Nagato




Why in the hell would Izuna kill his brother by force, but tell him "But before I KILL YOU, I'll tell you my plan Called Moon's Eye... and Im gonna revive you later with a boy name Nagato". HELL NO.

 

[shk1020]

I don't agree. You say Tobi can't be Obito, because that would be too obvious. But it's not! It would be if there were no plot holes, but there is a whole bunch of them! That's what makes non-Tobito followers believe it's not Obito.

I personally believe it's Obito, but not only because it's obvious. I think so because that's the only way manga can get emotional after revealing his identity. I mean, will anyone be touched if Tobi turns out to be Izuna? Nope, they will be like "You should be dead! But well, whatever, let's continue...".

the only person who might get emotional is kakashi, who has just passed out. so then Gai knows who obito might be, but he wont have a emotional impact. the only person that would care has passed out or dead, meaning if tobi is obito, then he will just be another uchiha that naruto/bee have to defeat in order to prevent their moon's eye plan.

at this (with kakashi out) there would be no "emotional impact"...btw, it wasnt my comment, it was the person who i replied to. i wasnt sure what they meant lol.

Madara could have rescued him and Obito could have trained under Madara. But that's just a possiblity. Emotional impact, as you two put it, is still what makes me think like this.

Besides, Kishi only stated that the two know each other. He didn't tell us how close to each other they are.

again, why obito? he could have brainwashed itachi or shusui - couple of the top-notch uchiha's of their generation.

 

[Takos]

the only person who might get emotional is kakashi, who has just passed out. so then Gai knows who obito might be, but he wont have a emotional impact. the only person that would care has passed out or dead, meaning if tobi is obito, then he will just be another uchiha that naruto/bee have to defeat in order to prevent their moon's eye plan.

at this (with kakashi out) there would be no "emotional impact"...btw, it wasnt my comment, it was the person who i replied to. i wasnt sure what they meant lol.

Where did you get the idea Kakashi has passed out? At least you don't say he's dead. xd He has even said he has enough chakra for several more kamuis. The fact that he has collapsed doesn't mean he's done. Just watch Itachi during his fight with Sasuke.

again, why obito? he could have brainwashed itachi or shusui - couple of the top-notch uchiha's of their generation.

Itachi would be much more difficult to brain-wash, as he was sure of his ideals. In case of Obito, feeding him ideas like "Kakashi abandoned you" and stuff like that could have done the trick. We have no idea how being crushed by this rock might have affacted Obito's psychics.

Oh, one more thing - it's Kakashi that will be emotional at the beginning, but after Naruto learns the story, he will see the similarity between Kakashi's situation and his own problem with Sasuke. He will get emotional as well.

 

[Kikki]

I think Tobi started to intentionally make Kakashi think he is Obito. He noticed that Kakashi`s kamui has the power to damage him, so he needed a distraction. That`s probably the only reason why he started to get to Kakashi. As mentioned before, this information can come from Zetsu spies.

Best reason to support why Tobi could be Izuna is still that Izuna wasn`t revived, even as a big person. As someone else said, can`t really say he is out of the race before we all know it or see him elsewhere.

Well, I think Izuna hated Madara and wanted to be clan leader himself. He tried to take his identity, that`s why he is wearing a mask. It`s probably in the nature of such a strong person (Uchiha seem to all have their pride) to try to survive but who knows. One thing is for sure: we will know soon.

 

[NarutoKage2]

he gave(or was forced to give), his brother madara his eyes and then died. end of story.
this character was only introduced by kishi to give a parallel to sasuke and itachi, who are also uchiha brothers, and to explain the Ems. nothing more, nothing less.