[Predictions] If Tobi is Obito (Speculation and Questions)

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The last two chapters, and especially Kakashi's reaction, particularly point out that Tobi is Obito. But if he really is Obito, there would be many problems concerning the plot, and this thread's point is to dicuss them. Here's a few problems:

-Does Madara indeed know Obito?
This is a very important question and I think the answer is no. He was likely referring to Nagato when he mentioned the person who was supposed to resurect him, as Nagato was the one who possessed the Rinnegan.

-How old are Kakashi and Obito? They would have had to be at least 16-17 during Kurama's attack on Konoha to justify Tobi being as tall as Minato back then.

-How did Obito obtain and master Kamui within such a short time?

-How did he learn how to master the Kyuubi?

-How did he survive getting crushed by several boulders?

-How did he join Akatsuki from there on?

The list goes on.
 

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The last two chapters, and especially Kakashi's reaction, particularly point out that Tobi is Obito. But if he really is Obito, there would be many problems concerning the plot, and this thread's point is to dicuss them. Here's a few problems:

-Does Madara indeed know Obito?
This is a very important question and I think the answer is no. He was likely referring to Nagato when he mentioned the person who was supposed to resurect him, as Nagato was the one who possessed the Rinnegan.

-How old are Kakashi and Obito? They would have had to be at least 16-17 during Kurama's attack on Konoha to justify Tobi being as tall as Minato back then.

-How did Obito obtain and master Kamui within such a short time?

-How did he learn how to master the Kyuubi?

-How did he survive getting crushed by several boulders?

-How did he join Akatsuki from there on?

The list goes on.


Kakashi is like nmid thirties or something, i reckon Orochimaru and Zetsu were involved in Obitos 'revival' and age.

- i Think the original Tobi was Madara.

- Help of Madara who took him back and fixed him with zetsu

-Part of his and Madaras plan
 

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If Tobi is Obito I don't even know what I'll do -_-

There's all the plot holes you mentioned above of course and so much more,
but the main one is.....motive, why would Obito even think of doing such a thing.
He has 0 reason.
 

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For god sake, let's just wait and if he is obito let kishi clear up all the plot holes because there is a lottt of them. Even if he is izuna there is still some plot holes izuna is 90+ years old who is he doing all this at this age..

Apart from kagami there is plot holes for everyone, so let's just wait.
 

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heres to end your theory, that tobi can never be obito, obito wasent even born when yahiko met tobi, who encourage him to form akataski, thus it ends
 

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Proably wasn't the same "Tobi".
 

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Actually. I think somehow before he died the Actual Madara gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. The Akataski could also be The Real Madaras idea. As for Obito he may have survived the actual incident somehow. If his whole right side was crushed then the eye would be too. I mean honestly in order for Tobi to be Obito though it would have to be good explanation. Only Tobi and Kakashi have Kumai, and We all know Kakashi was given Obitos left eye. Plus, Obito awakened his Sharningan during the Battle at Kannabi Bridge. All major clues that point to Tobi being Obito
 
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For god sake, let's just wait and if he is obito let kishi clear up all the plot holes because there is a lottt of them. Even if he is izuna there is still some plot holes izuna is 90+ years old who is he doing all this at this age..

Apart from kagami there is plot holes for everyone, so let's just wait.

^^Exactly, there are too many possibilities, this is what makes the story so good, there is no way to know for sure who he is until his identity is revealed, so lets just wait
 
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Only explanation of Obito being Tobi is if his Rinnegan gives him the ability to time travel to the past and the future (but no further than the present). Other than that the plot would incredibly crumble.
 
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For god sake, let's just wait and if he is obito let kishi clear up all the plot holes because there is a lottt of them. Even if he is izuna there is still some plot holes izuna is 90+ years old who is he doing all this at this age..

Apart from kagami there is plot holes for everyone, so let's just wait.

so kagami isn't a plothole bcause he served directly under the Second Hokage, and was in the same division as the Third, Danzo, the 2 Councilmen and an Akimichi...

I guess he could be kinda like orochimaru, defecting the leaf, but I am doubtful...
 

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If Tobi is Obito I don't even know what I'll do -_-

There's all the plot holes you mentioned above of course and so much more,
but the main one is.....motive, why would Obito even think of doing such a thing.
He has 0 reason.

Rin's death sounds like a motivator. There are supposed to be plot holes. We don't know the whole story yet. If there were no plot holes we would already know who Tobi is.
 

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If Tobi is Obito I don't even know what I'll do -_-

There's all the plot holes you mentioned above of course and so much more,
but the main one is.....motive, why would Obito even think of doing such a thing.
He has 0 reason.

His dreams never had a chance to come true. Kakashi was supposed to protect Rin and he failed. The Uchiha Clan is naturally prone to hatred. Tobi himself mentioned The Curse of Hatred passed down by the SO6P eldest son. Imagine what Sasuke might be like if the clan had never been slaughtered and if the Uchiha had never wanted to overthrow the Leaf government.
 

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The main thing you all are forgetting here is the fact Tobi is trying to bring peace to the world in a round about screwed up way. That to me screams child turned bitter towards wars. Im gonna shit my pants if tobi is in fact obito...
 

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Did all of you forget the time that Tobi fought Konan and before (or after can't remember) he tells dead Nagato....you were the third coming of the SOT6P and i was the second!
i never really understood this line until i saw another thread that talked about how the Elder Son of the original SOT6P could be Tobi
But as i was writing this and i also came up with the theory that Izuna might be Tobi, since the fact that Madara's eyes were in fact Izuna's and the fact that he awoke the Rinnegan near his death, thus making Izuna the original second coming of the SOT6P

im pretty sure there are some plot holes here but im 85% sure that Tobi is not Obito
Obito could not have fought the 4th and plus i think Kurama recognized him from the past, which would have to be around the Senju/Uchiha conflict, the last time Kurama was free before being sealed into Mito-Kushina-Naruto
 

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if tobi is obito and kishi doesnt clear it up well enough I will realy stop reading the manga becouse then it would be ruind for me. the little dude had no motivation for tobi's goals. not to mention that he must have grown up, activated and masterd his kamui very quickly after getting crushed because tobi confronted minato later on and seemd to have masterd his kamui use as well as now.
to me it still can't be obito, possebly obito's other eye was not completly crushed and who ever tobi is recoverd it.
 
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For god sake, let's just wait and if he is obito let kishi clear up all the plot holes because there is a lottt of them. Even if he is izuna there is still some plot holes izuna is 90+ years old who is he doing all this at this age..

Apart from kagami there is plot holes for everyone, so let's just wait.

Apart from Kagami? If tobi was Kagami I would think that Danzo would have recognized him instead of calling him Madara.
 

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Kakashi is 28 meaning if tobi was obito then he was 11-12 when he attacked minato & kushina.
 

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-Does Madara indeed know Obito?

-How old are Kakashi and Obito?

-How did Obito obtain and master Kamui within such a short time?

-How did he learn how to master the Kyuubi?

-How did he survive getting crushed by several boulders?

-How did he join Akatsuki from there on?

The list goes on.

-Was Obito's Kamui power an important part of Madara/Tobi's larger plan, or was it just a nice surprise? In other words, could a different eye or set of eyes have been used just as well, or is Obito's Kamui power special, important or unique?

-During the fight with Konan, Tobi says that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. How is that possible, if Nagato had those eyes before Obito was even born?

-Similarly, after killing Konan, Tobi says that the rinnegan "were always mine". How can that be, if Nagato had those eyes before Obito was even born?

-Also, why is it that Tobi claimed to have encouraged Yahiko to create Akatsuki, even though Yahiko was probably already dead by the time Obito was born?

-How did Obito change from believing that helping your comrades was the most important thing for a shinobi, to believing that hope was impossible and that world domination (including the massacre of his own clan AND a world war killing thousands of other ninja including former teammates and friends in Konoha) was a good thing?

-Why is it that Obito claimed to love Rin, but never once has Tobi mentioned her or asked Kakashi what happened to her?

-If people think Obito is dead, it would have been very hard for him to get into the Naka shrine to read that tablet. How is it possible that Obito then, having never been able to read it, would know secrets about MS, Bijuu, the Sage of 6 Paths, and Izanagi, that few other people seemed to know?

-Why would Tobi, knowing that Kakashi's eye had both a unique relationship to his own eye, and that it held a very useful long-range version of his most important kamui technique, never tried to kill Kakashi and take that eye back? If he's willing to go to war where Kakashi could potentially die, and if he's willing to fight Kakashi directly to the death, why didn't he ever do this sooner? Does he just not understand the benefits of long-ranged attacks?

-In order to unlock his MS and get Kamui, and to be able to become strong enough to fight Minato one-on-one, Obito would have had to be training non-stop from the moment that boulder fell on him. Even that might not be enough. How did Obito become so strong, in so short a time?

-Why didn't Tobi seem to know anything about Minato's space/time techniques, or Minato's speed, when he was on Minato's team and had seen his speed and FTG techniques in action during the war? None of that should have been a surprise to Obito (but was a surprise to Tobi).

-Why would Obito want to destroy Konoha, specifically? Why not get revenge against the ninja who attacked him, dropped boulders on him, and hurt Rin? If he didn't want revenge, why didn't he unleash the fox and take it away? Why would he have sent the fox to attack the village if he didn't want revenge and he did want to gain posession of the fox? What possible motivations would Obito have had to attack Konoha in the way that he did, at the time that he did? (Sure Kushina was pregnant, but she likely would have gotten pregnant again, if Tobi had just waited). Was it all just a ploy to cast suspicion on the Uchiha? And if so, what would Obito's motivation for massacring the Uchiha be?

...and the list goes on.
 
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