Is Kakashi now stronger than Itachi?

[TouchMyMangos]

No-one complained about Tobi being top tier with his eye. So why are people complaining about Kakashi?

 

[lionel654]

But Naruto DID not DODGE Kamui, did he? It was fast enough to track Naruto. You are confused. Itachi's speed << Naruto's. He kept up with Naruto but it wasn't his FULL speed. Even an immobile Nagato kept up with him and caught him. Don't be foolish now. NONE of Itachi's jutsus activate faster than Kamui. NONE except AMATERASU, but that doesn't kill people straight away; Kamui DOES.

here we go again: so kakashi tracked naruto and used kamui on him. so your telling me when naruto vs itachi, he wasnt going at full speed knowing there a chance he might died?/ don't think so/ now kamui and amaterasu both are not instant kill.... because I saw because tobi, bee etc got hit with amaterasu and it took a while. Same with kamui if is as fast as you said deidara would not have try to escape it to the point where it only took his arm. kamui not a one hit k.o tech

 

[blackstar9]

He had never experienced its power. Now he knows. Please, the way you're hanging onto Itachi here is ugly. He cannot counter Kamui. Let it go.

some facts please !!! let go of fan boyism and state facts . if its not in manga its speculation . what i said is fact . your making stuff up ! and you dont make sense . im calling you out. just because he never experience it before doesnt change the fact he was aware of how it worked and still fell victim !

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

why do you always compare against Itachi when you do this type of thread ?

No i still think Itachi could one hit K.O. with genjutsu because becoming proficient with Kamui has nothing to do with resistance to genjutsu

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This, one because Negative Knight ( One of the best thread Verses Thread makers around) but also your not thinking very logically about this your putting someone who has a uchiha eye ( single eye) up against a pure blooded uchiha. An a strategic and knowledgeable one at that. Just cause kakashi is kinda on par with tobi ( who by the way still pwned the crap out of his face before naruto hit him) doesn't put him on par with itach, madara, or sasuke. So no kakashi loses.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

here we go again: so kakashi tracked naruto and used kamui on him. so your telling me naruto wasnt going at full speed knowing there a chance he might died?/ don't think so/ now kamui and amaterasu both are not instant kill.... because I saw because tobi, bee etc got hit with amaterasu and it took a while. Same with kamui if is as fast as you said deidara would not have try to escape it to the point where it only took his arm

............Kakashi had just BEGUN using Kamui against Deidara. He's FAR more skilled with it now, and it SHOWS.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

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This, one because Negative Knight ( One of the best thread Verses Thread makers around) but also your not thinking very logically about this your putting someone who has a uchiha eye ( single eye) up against a pure blooded uchiha. An a strategic and knowledgeable one at that. Just cause kakashi is kinda on par with tobi ( who by the way still pwned the crap out of his face before naruto hit him) doesn't put him on par with itach, madara, or sasuke. So no kakashi loses.

But you give no counter for Kamui. That's what fanboys do. Are you a fanboy?

 

[Owarij]

With full knowledge kamui can be countered by using a simple smoke bomb, gas bomb, or any other thing similar to that which almost all ninjas carry...

 

[blackstar9]

But you give no counter for Kamui. That's what fanboys do. Are you a fanboy?

figured you have no response to my post !! im calling you out fanboy with no facts

 

[Blaze Release]

Valley of the End. I'm giving my verdict here. Itachi has no way of countering it, especially since it's spammable now.

Wouldn't go as far as saying 'spammable' although yes i agree he has increased this. At 30 metres i see youve restricted genjutsu including tsukuyomi and amaterasu. I take it this is also blood-lust and thats why kakashi starts with kamui, right?. Anyway it looks like kamui wraps whatever is in front of it. The distance between bee and naruto and itachi and nagato is roughly 30m, might be bigger though. If itachi manages to produces the fire ball technique and with him holding the fastest handseal in the series its more than possible before kakashi manages to pull of kamui, its the fire ball kakashi teleport because thats what is in front of him;

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This simple strategy not only blocks kakashi from possibly kamui's itachi right away because the ball is between itachi and kakahi, it also travels once released and this might be enough.

At 30 metres, if itachi closes this gap id give him the advantage, might aswell rely on his handspeed here. With info before hand, i wouldnt put it past him to create a karasu bunshin, something that the sharigan cannot distinguish. Before you say he cannot, may i remind you that he was able to counter all of sasuke's kunai assault whilst forming a handseal for a bunshin. With knowledge of kamui like you kindly said, he should put the bunshin in front of himself as a safe guard between attacks like he did against sasuke;

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It kakashi teleports the whole bunshin then good for him. However if he teleports just part of it, the bunshin usually reverts to its original form because it uses crows as a medium and they usually block the users eye sight;

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His crow summonings also do the same thing. Links distance is roughly 30m although it might be abit more;

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What im trying to say is that itachi would make the first move especially with info before hand, before kakashi can kamui away. He also has the abilities to temporarily distract kakashi's eye sight with his crows affiliated techniques. You seem to be restricting ka or trying to find an excuse why it wouldnt work, like kakashi would see through it, but that isnt how it works. If any of these distractions are viable then itachi has the availability of either KA or close the 30m gap. Btw you mentioned the location is the valley of the end right. At least he can save his chakra and use the water already there to his use.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

figured you have no response to my post !! im calling you out fanboy with no facts

Your post was worthless, sorry :shrug:

 

[rahulrevandkar]

plz tell me how to start a new thread

 

[blackstar9]

He was about to warp GEDO MAZO. Please think again.

u think again . bout too doesnt mean anything . have you seen kakashi warp anything beside a missile and deidera arm no !!!!!! so admit it your making stuff up:flaw: oh yeah he also warped sasuke susanoo arrows

 

[Bogard]

No-one complained about Tobi being top tier with his eye. So why are people complaining about Kakashi?

This. I don't really understand why people can't admit that Kamui put Kakashi clearly above a lot of characters when they are the same who put Tobi sometimes even in God tiers

 

[lionel654]

............Kakashi had just BEGUN using Kamui against Deidara. He's FAR more skilled with it now, and it SHOWS.

true but the same concept applies it can be dodge thats all i want you to know

every jutsu has a weakness ( like itachi said )

 

[lionel654]

This. I don't really understand why people can't admit that Kamui put Kakashi clearly above a lot of characters when they are the same who put Tobi sometimes even in God tiers

people dont complain about that, actually kakashi needed a boost the problem is that people think kakashi can one shot any top shinobi now because of that upgrade.

 

[blackstar9]

Your post was worthless, sorry :shrug:

your thread is wothless and has been debunked !! factless fanboy:flaw:

 

[Champ]

Kakashi would get raped by either brother from Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Wouldn't go as far as saying 'spammable' although yes i agree he has increased this. At 30 metres i see youve restricted genjutsu including tsukuyomi and amaterasu. I take it this is also blood-lust and thats why kakashi starts with kamui, right?. Anyway it looks like kamui wraps whatever is in front of it. The distance between bee and naruto and itachi and nagato is roughly 30m, might be bigger though. If itachi manages to produces the fire ball technique and with him holding the fastest handseal in the series its more than possible before kakashi manages to pull of kamui, its the fire ball kakashi teleport because thats what is in front of him;

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What makes you think this fireball jutsu will be activated BEFORE Kamui? Naruto was near full speed when he was warped. It's not quick enough, and it won't cover the distance.

This simple strategy not only blocks kakashi from possibly kamui's itachi right away because the ball is between itachi and kakahi, it also travels once released and this might be enough.

This is going by the fireball being quicker than Kamui, which is untrue.

At 30 metres, if itachi closes this gap id give him the advantage, might aswell rely on his handspeed here. With info before hand, i wouldnt put it past him to create a karasu bunshin, something that the sharigan cannot distinguish. Before you say he cannot, may i remind you that he was able to counter all of sasuke's kunai assault whilst forming a handseal for a bunshin. With knowledge of kamui like you kindly said, he should put the bunshin in front of himself as a safe guard between attacks like he did against sasuke;

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Again, you need to realise Naruto's speed.

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Maybe you cannot see it properly in the manga and the anime will make it clearer for you. Itachi is not on that level of speed and he will not be able to close the gap before Kamui is used. Kakashi can also make clones aswell. Kakashi clones are not unbeatable. These things are not happening before Kamui is activated.

What im trying to say is that itachi would make the first move especially with info before hand, before kakashi can kamui away. He also has the abilities to temporarily distract kakashi's eye sight with his crows affiliated techniques. You seem to be restricting ka or trying to find an excuse why it wouldnt work, like kakashi would see through it, but that isnt how it works. If any of these distractions are viable then itachi has the availability of either KA or close the 30m gap. Btw you mentioned the location is the valley of the end right. At least he can save his chakra and use the water already there to use his use.

What can KA do? He can't use it to make Kakashi kill himself. If the command is not subtle it won't work, because Kakashi will no he's in the genjutsu and that is enough to break it. You aren't taking these things into account. Again, Kamui's activation is faster than all of Itachi's methods, and since he has no way to dodge or counter it once it's used, he loses.

 

[sage22]

Want your thoughts guys. This is IF they both have knowledge on eachother. Kakashi has Kamui, and we've seen the speed that it warps people. Itachi doesn't have the speed to dodge it. Kakashi is also able to spam it quite a few times. Itachi has Tsukuyomi but that won't work if they both have knowledge on eachother. Amaterasu is his only other oneshot in this match, since Kakashi is fast enough to dodge Totsuka. Amaterasu didn't kill the Samurai and Karin wasn't badly hurt by it. It will not end Kakashi immediately but Kamui will end Itachi straight away. Kakashi also has more stamina than Itachi; Itachi got a 2.5 in the databooks whereas Kakashi got a 3, and we all know Kakashi's stamina has gone up since then. I think Kakashi would win this.

Kamui GG is real. It's canon now. Accept it. Believe it.

Please listen to what you are saying. You are saying kakashi is stronger than the guy who was given the mission of killing the strongest clan by his self. Itachi in my opinion is the strongest uchiha since madara. It was said that he knows all the clan ability. If you honestly believe that he can't beat kakashi cuz of one jutsu then you are in idiot.

 

[Ninpou]

By this guys logic Kakashi > Everyone in the manga cause Kamui is too fast apparently.