Orochimaru was always the Strongest of the Sannin

[Tazzilla88]

They are all tied with different strengths.
Tsunade versus Oro

• Attack Prevention Technique: is pointless if Tsunade goes ahead and punches the surface Orochimaru has blended into
• Binding Snake Glare Spell: Her natural strength was great enough to lift Gamabunta's sword, so ripping snakes shouldn't cause too much problems.
• Body Flame Technique- Too slow and where would he go?
• Body Shedding- Actually this is very useful. Orochimaru's body was healthy when Tsunade punched him before but he could not shed his skin because of his arms. So he had to quit the fight. No he can afford being hit by Tsunade twice while in human form.
• Five Elements Seal- Would require she had an even numbered seal on to be effective.
• Formation of Ten Thousand Snakes- Problematic however this technique can be cancelled out by heavenly foot of Pain if acted upon immediately.
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• Gathering of Snakes isn't useful because of the nature of Tsunade's attacks in combination with Orochimaru's soft physique technique. So she won't cut his body.
• Hidden Shadow snake hands would work against Orochimaru if he tries to grab Tsunade with it as there'd only be a repeat like when he tried to grab her with his tongue. If he tries to poison her, her liver will regenerate and render the poison moot. Or she could use the antidote she has in her tools, which she'd probably have anyway because she worked with Oro for so long.
• Living Corpse Reincarnation: He's not going to use this in the heat of battle but if he does Tsunade has the mental fortitude to attack while impaled, to attack with stomach and respiratory muscles cut, and to overcome a phobia in addition to her precise chakra control I see her breaking free. The obvious counter to this argument is Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu and she only has a 3. This is true but she also has better chakra control. It was stated that healing jutus require a lot of chakra and she managed to heal a whole village, while keeping up her transformation technique, and she had summoned Katsuyu which as we've seen with Jiraiya and Naruto large summons take considerable chakra. In the war she has healed her stomach twice (Susanoo Sword and 3 Yasaka Magatamas) and used creation rebirth to heal the wounds from the heavenly transfer technique, in addition to healing the other kages, and breaking through Susanoo and Madara's mokuton clone. Additionally it was also stated that Medical jutsu requires precise chakra control because if the chakra is not controlled effectively the patient can be killed or the justu is ineffective and Tsunade is hailed as the greatest living medic.
• Summoning Gate and Triple Summoning Gate Rashomon: Kiba and Akamaru put a dent in the single gate in Part I. Tsunade breaks through it.
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• Sword of Kusanagi: Longsword of the Sky- Tsunade needs only grab the sword. As long as it doesn't decapitate her she'll survive if she can regrow vital organs in her abdomen then she should be able to regrow limbs and digits.
• Temporary Paralysis Technique- Iirc Genin Sasuke and Sakura overcame this technique.
• Wind Release: Great Breakthrough -If Tsunade is using her chakra to stay on the ground like she did when Pein attacked the village (she was using it to counter shinra tensei) then I see her receiving injuries similar to the heavenly transfer technique which she'd heal.
• Eight Branches is nothing but very large taijutsu taijutsu. Tsunade would only need to punch the heads as they attack and the damage recieved with byakougou.
• Then there is Manda and Katsuya. Katsuya would prove useful against the 8 branches technique. Manda also had no jutsus he could bite and coil. For that reason he'd be defeated as well.
• Body Pathway Derangement could be countered by perhaps a raiton cloak which Oro does not have and his taijutsu and stamina is less than Tsunade's so he could get caught by that.
• She can fight similar to Kabuto evidenced by
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  she wouldn't be able to compare their strength unless they're styles were similar. If Orochimaru got caught in a similar way to Tsunade then he would eventually need to shed his body.
• Against her strength he would need to shed his body.
• Against Katsuya's acid he would have to shed.
• When Orochimaru uses Edo-Tensei it is not an instant process he must first summon the coffins then after they open he must insert the tags into the summons. Given Tsunade's fighting style she is required to be at close range as she is mainly a taijutsu user. Which means it would be unlikely for her to give Orochimaru a chance to program his ET's which in turn means they would most likely side with Tsunade their blood relative when they have their own free will. And the second hokage could release the technique completely.

My conclusion Tsunade would win

In the Jiraiya versus Orochimaru fight they will fight on equal ground until it becomes a question of SM versus 8 Branches. Most of Jiraiya's attacks aren't on the level that they can cause great damage to the Hydra. More often than not Orochimaru will win.

In Jiraiya versus Tsunade, Jiraiya starts out with an advantage as Tsunade would have to activate either Byakougou or Creation rebirth to tank attacks.However, she has proven herself agile and may be able to avoid a number of jutsus. Luckily for her though, it takes much less time for her to start Byakougou and Creation Rebirth than it does for Jiraiya to enter Sage Mode. At the point that Tsunade can tank ninjutsu attacks (like she did Madara's Katon) Jiraiya is in deep sh*t. She can advance on him and if he is trying to collect Sage Mode chakra through being still is is an easy target. If he summons his boss toads logically she could fight them off given what we've seen from her.

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However by sacrificing his boss toads he may be able to get into Sage Mode.
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on Tsunade could wake Tsunade should she be caught with the SM genjutsu.
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she could avoid Goemon. And we know her

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are good.
Ultimately I think Jiraiya would beat Tsunade more times than not but if he does it won't be an easy fight and carelessness would kill him.

 

[Nishio]

Here's all I'll say at one point tsunade was basically fighting madara herself. She took a hit from susanoo that would kill anyone else but survived because of her healing abilities . Shes just as strong as the others

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ok let down the list.

First im a huge jiraya fan. I love him from before i even new what sannin were but still i think orochimaru would win.

orochimaru did have a chance at being hokage but the 3rd turn him down. He was turn down because he was the type who gave up everything for a mission. To the point were he kill injured comrade to get back home without an issue. Told by the guy who made naruto steal the scroll (for me it doesnt count because its a filler but its still some type of prove). After that than oro was caught with human testing and kick out of konoha

Next

We talk about the 3 on 2 match

jman who had been drugged, 50% naruto and a 100% tsunada vs oro who had his arms sealed and 100% kabuto (Just so were clear it was stated by kakashi that kabuto at that age was better than him and by i think jiraya he was to some point equal with tsunada in medical jutsu not totally sure who said it but it was said)

Again oro was able to hold his own against jman. kabuto even was able to hold tsu back. The snake, slug and frog tussled and manda was winning. Naruto comes and hit a rasangen and tsu at that time is helping jman. NOW oro is still able to hold both of them back but oro put down his guard and focus on naruto. Evening saying that boy will become a problem for me. Oro is boss enough to ignore both sannin and go to attack naruto. Tsu go all ape sh!t moaning about being kage chases after him knocks him around by the way i dont think she was hold back on any of those punches and oro didnt throw himself up meaning damage wise oro got the same beating if not worse than what jman got for peeking in on the ladies. JMAN NEEDED HER TO HEAL HIM RIGHT AWAY ORO WAS ABLE TO STAND UP WAIT FOR KABUTO TO APPEAR BY HIM TO LEAVE.


Also stated by jman he tried a few times to bring oro back to konoha. As we know oro isnt their so i guess we have to assume oro won each time and be honest do you think jiraya would go into a fight have @ss for something like that. Well i know naruto wouldnt.


Moving on

Im just goin to touch on this topic but i do agree jman wasnt fighting naruto he was just trying to teach him to control the nine tails things just got out of control so you can factor that in this argument. Oro on the other didnt stop because of lack of charka or because of his body. He stopped because it was at a stalemate after he retreated his body started to reject him (knowing orochimaru in the middle of a fight he would have said something about his body). Stalemate doesnt just mean ur able to overpower someone it also mean stalling and everyone here knows oro is the best it comes to stalling. Now lets pay close attention everyone watch the epi over or look at the manga if you dont believe me but to me the 3 shields stopped the tbb. Because if you look carefully you can see the forest was DESTROYED besides the area behind the shield which leads me to believe since oro was right behind it he got pushed back. Also everyone here punched a brick wall before and the most that happen to the wall was close to nothing. So would a sane person continue to punch no they would stop. Orochimaru is a lot of things including sane. That would be a endless cycle of nothing happening so he stopped.

As for someone adding something about student oro had a good 3

Kabuto

As a kid
Chunin exam was able to hold his own against kakashi (sneaking out the hospital)

Out shine tsunade with medical nin jutsu (When he attack her nerves system)

Shippuden
(Talking about the 2 on 1 MS and EMS vs SM)

Would have beaten itachi if sasuke wasnt there

Would have beaten sasuke if itachi wasnt there

Kimmiraru

Ended his clan war by himself as a kid

4 on 1 match against
Jirōbō, Kidōmaru, Tayuya Sakon and Ukon curse mark form (told to sasuke by them)

Beat jugo the master of the curse mark

If he didnt die from cancer he would have killed both garaa and lee

Sasuke

I only want to point out one thing. Sasuke got mad at sai and yamato for saving naruto when he was about to stab him in the back. He jump back on the wall and raises his hand and oro comes in and stop him telling him not to kill them. At first i thought new chidori but then you start thinking how many times do you see sasuke raise his hand to the sky (Only twice that time and when he fought itachi). What move at that time did naruto sai sakura or yamato have to stop kirin nothing.

Now its time For jiraya and orochimaru

Sorry to say this jman doesnt have any move to put oro on his butt. SM is what everyone keeps saying but jman can do it by himself he need ma pa and himself to put that off. Ma and pa gathers sage chakra and he gathers his own. When is he going to get the time to pull that off orochimaru isnt goin to relax while thats happening. For each frog you can match with a snake. Oro on the other hand can go white snake sm right away shown while fighting sasuke. He has a cut that can cut through any normal thing. When it comes to chakra in jman isnt in sage mode orochimaru wins. Itachi state when fight sasuke that throwing yourself took most of your chakra and oro does it for fun meaning he has chakra to burn for years.

And to end one more this itachi only never fought orochimaru. Orochimaru tried to steal his body using gen jutsu. Itachi broke out using the sharingan of course because its said that its almost impossible to catch sharingan user in gen jutsu because the sharingan can read the flow of chakra and can see through illusion. After that itachi cut his hand off as punishment

THAnk u so much rep man +++¥¥++ dead ass couldn't have said it better myself expecally the end I've thought tht all along they nev had offical fight

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

kabuto with edo tensei will beat all of them together,and he was oro's student.
Oro already beat jiraiya,and again while he was armless,hiruzen claimed noone could beat him at the time while jiraiya was still there.

Kabuto can't do edo tensi like he did b4 he might be able to do it but maybe like one body he was using orochimaru chakra to Do all tht that's why he captured anko to get more of oro chakra to further the edo tensi
Oro took his chakra back so we Dnt know how kabuto edo tensi would b but we can conclude if oro was to his lab gather up all this DNA and started doing edo tensi the allied shinobi forces would b ****ed as well as maybe Tobi (orochimaru seems to know a lot about him and sharigan in general but idk he might know Tobi secrets )

 

[ChrisWolf]

Lets get one thing clear.....oro and jman are equals, but in sage mode jman is slightly stronger

 

[ChrisWolf]

Btw orochimaru doesnt we a sage mode that white snake transformation clearly is nota sage mode

 

[blazekev90]

Lets get one thing clear.....oro and jman are equals, but in sage mode jman is slightly stronger

You said that s if you was a fact, nothing suppose that theory, especially with the legend being snake>toad and the info/hype/feats surrounding each of them. If anything it's been more so proven that Orochimaru was greater. Jman's incomplete SM enhanced his chances against Orochimaru

 

[shadowcage]

Well I reckon they are pretty even but I am tending towards Jiraya, from what I have seen. This debate has a lot of opinion, and however much you feel that the others are just downright wrong, if they think that Orochimaru is stronger, or Jiraya is stronger, then that is their opinion, not much can be done.

Anyway, the reason I am slightly tending towards Jiraya is because:
Firstly, we know that Itachi beat Orochimaru pretty comprehensively on more than one occasion. However, the same itachi was unwilling to go face to face with Jiraya, claiming at best, he could only stalemate. Even though ABC logic does not always apply in Naruto, there is some sense here, and I don't want to go into detail into an Itachi vs Jiraya debate. Also, we know that Jiraya gave a really impressive fight against Pain, and Nagato states that with prior knowledge, Jiraya might have won. Quite a statement, from someone who is equal to or greater than itachi, once again not getting into an argumentative flame war on who is better. Facts are facts, but we can see what we want to see.

Also, about Orochimaru not standing there and taking it, I think this is an extremely valid point, and there is a lot of truth in that. However, remember, in SM, Jirayas speed is drastically increased, along with tai jutsu techs, like the super strength etc.

About the sword lifting business, remember when naruto lifted that gigantic statue with natural energy? Yea, JMan can as well I am guessing. And that fight, was really not the best indicator on anything, as Jiraya was drugged by Tsunade, which prevented him from using his chakra well.

I like your points but Itachi never fought Orochimaru. Orochimaru tried to cast gen jutsu and failed getting his arm cut off and that the only time he had a in counter with itachi. Their wasnt a fight so that thrown out.

You win with your next point tho. Itachi admitted that a stalemate would happening in a fight between the 2 but we have nothing when comes to itachi and oro.

I believe oro would be able to beat pain because the most of us know that jman and oro are on a equal field. Pain said jman would have been able to beat him if he didnt know about him. Not to mention during that whole all jman needed was time and if he had it pain would be no more. Now this is when i say oro has it stating only fact now no opinion. oro is smarter then jman and he doesnt need time for any of his moves. Opinion time Since pain know nothing against about oro he would have to start off blind. jman had problems with the chameleon snakes find prey with their tongue (that cuts time). Also being smarter allows oro the chance to find out about the body at least 10 second faster. All of oro attacks are just like snakes there fast and unexpected. If jman had time like that he would have owned pain beginning middle and the end of that fight. He only loss because of these factors

 

[Pizcobaby]

Obviously Jiraiya is the strongest. When Orochimaru's disciples start blowing up villages in one attack then we can start comparing.

what a stupid argument.. the students have their own powers, all sensei's do is help release it at let them hone it. Nagato would still have been Nagato and Naruto would still have been Naruto without Jiraiya.

Having said that, I really don't know who would win. Both SM (neither complete as manga said about both), and both with some of the most powerful summons in the series - would be epic to see both of them all out with intent to kill.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

all the sannin are strong (legendary ninjas), and i can't make it simple by saying jiraiya can go SM and beat oro coz no its not that simple, oro is also a beast and they both know each other very well from being rivals and friends for a long time so it can go eaither way. now tsunade on the other hand is slightly weaker than both (she is a medic mainly) when it comes to combat (back flash against hanzo she looked dead if jiraiya wasn't there) but again she can give them a good fight from the knowledge she has on both of them. never say a sannin is weak

 

[SatchiZurake]

..Is this thread really stilll going on?

 

[New knight48]

i believe jiraiya is stronger than orochimaru... jiraiya has a 35.5 score in the databook and orochimaru has 35... also i just always thought jiraiya was stronger

 

[New knight48]

Also if it was known itachi can destroy orochimaru in a fight but even itachi himself knew that if he fought jiraiya it can be a stalemate... that shows jiraiya is stronger

 

[resurrection]

Oro is definitely better, smarter, keen, eager, etc than the other two sanins (jounins)........As we always forgot that those three are jounin (only Hanzo named them sanin). Those who don't believe or disagree with this either seriously biased or ignorant or definitely fearful to bear the truth.....Oro just lacks in one arena than jirya, i.e., his lack of humanity..............Other than Oro was/is just great...............Oro is reluctantly pushing himself for knowing the secret of all jutsu. He even founded a hidden ninja village, which was a great feat. He also maintained various hideouts full of ninjas to experiment ninjutsu. No one in this manga story except TObi can able to do it.....

Another thing clearly proved that Oro is stronger than other two sanins, Oro killed Hiruzen and fled away despite presence of Jirya and other high ranking ninjas of Konoha and they weren't able to do a single thing even after long time.

Oro is lacking humanity and has/had twisted ideology, which is his only flaw.......

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Oro is definitely better, smarter, keen, eager, etc than the other two sanins (jounins)........As we always forgot that those three are jounin (only Hanzo named them sanin). Those who don't believe or disagree with this either seriously biased or ignorant or definitely fearful to bear the truth.....Oro just lacks in one arena than jirya, i.e., his lack of humanity..............Other than Oro was/is just great...............Oro is reluctantly pushing himself for knowing the secret of all jutsu. He even founded a hidden ninja village, which was a great feat. He also maintained various hideouts full of ninjas to experiment ninjutsu. No one in this manga story except TObi can able to do it.....

Another thing clearly proved that Oro is stronger than other two sanins, Oro killed Hiruzen and fled away despite presence of Jirya and other high ranking ninjas of Konoha and they weren't able to do a single thing even after long time.

Oro is lacking humanity and has/had twisted ideology, which is his only flaw.......

when it comes to power the manga gave us alot to know that jiraiya and oro are on the same level and a fight between them can go either way (hiruzen was very old and oro took advantage of that) now if you keep in mind that they are both on the same level that means if a statement like what itachi said about jiraiya explains how strong jiraiya is, it also explains how strong oro is coz he and jiraiya are both that strong. now i loooove jiraiya but il admit oro takes bad assenes to a new level

 

[Da second]

Okay oro is the smartest hands dwn but in terms of strenth no way Tsunade would bang every snake out of him although he probably would kill her n the long run but for real the strongest was jiraya thats why tsunade poisoned him when they fought oro together and seriousully oro wouldnt of lasted five min against pain no way no who that probably y he quit the akatsuki lol on top off that he needed sumone elses help so he could attempt to try sage mode and he stole it from kabuto oro got skill though to survive this long in to make an impact on the ninja world like he did i give it to him

 

[tristan]

ORO = weak to genjutsu
JMAN SM with MA&PA = sound genjutsu which even caught pain...

we can't say ORO > JMAN....

SM JMAN > BASE ORO (don't have SM)

 

[tristan]

Jman made itachi run....
Itachi made oro his wife...
Don't underestimate jman...

But seeing ORO alive now just amazes me, even seals can't bring the mothereffer down so easily...he's really tough...

 

[resurrection]

when it comes to power the manga gave us alot to know that jiraiya and oro are on the same level and a fight between them can go either way (hiruzen was very old and oro took advantage of that) now if you keep in mind that they are both on the same level that means if a statement like what itachi said about jiraiya explains how strong jiraiya is, it also explains how strong oro is coz he and jiraiya are both that strong. now i loooove jiraiya but il admit oro takes bad assenes to a new level

Don't take as it a certain when someone said something about someone....Mifune regarded Hanzo as a great, but did it so? It was entirely from Mifune's perspective. Itachi had always great respect and love for his fellow ninja and Konoha. So, Itachi obviously exaggerated about Jirya. There was no doubt Jirya was stronger but the point is who is strongest among three....Whatever we knew from manga, it clearly denotes Oro is strongest..........Once, Kakshi wanted to kill Sasuke. Do you think Kakshi could able to do that? I reckon, no.......

 

[juzchill]

I think that Jariaya was an unfocused force. Even with the lack of focus he was a beast. Imagine if instead of focusing on women he focused on his training. I agree that the three (oro-jariaya-tsunade) are mirrored by (sasuke-naruto-sakura) diffference is the level of focus in the new group