Kishi's trolling has gone too far

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I have to say, Kishi's trolling has become so bad that it is literally destroying all the integrity of his once great manga. I'll try to focus on the ones I feel that Kishi handled the worst. Feel free to discuss and add your own.

1. Kishi has created so much circumstantial evidence that Tobi is Obito that he literally has destroyed his own reputation as a story writer. There are so many facts that can prove in an instant that Tobi is not Obito that it is truly a joke, and Kishi even hinting at the prospect is degrading to himself. But the way the last chapters have gone, the only way to prove that Tobi is not actually Obito anymore is if the manga states it directly.

2. It has been confirmed that whoever Tobi is, he is using Obito's other sharingan. Not only that, but it is established that he absolutely has to be using Obito's MS in order to be accessing the other dimension. This means that Tobi has had, and has been using, MS this entire time. This, by far, is one of the biggest trolls you can ever hope to even imagine. This basically means he is constantly using MS in battle without overexerting himself with chakra use. It also means that his MS design might be the same as Kakashi's, unless the design is unique to the person it spawns in.

3. Kishi has also trolled us with Shisui's MS. Danzou was confirmed to have been using Shisui's MS to be casting that jutsu despite us never having seen the design. Not only that, but he managed to reduce the cooldown of the jutsu from 10 years to about 1 day by adding senju DNA to himself..... a huge troll.

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4. Despite sending himself to another dimension to escape damage, we have never once since Tobi's body parts go out of sight. I guess you could say that we don't see them disappear since something is always overlapping them, but the way the last 300 chapters have gone, the visual interpretation we get from the manga is that Tobi's body still exists in the material world even when he's transparent. Kishi now saying that those parts of his body aren't actually there when he phases through is a serious troll.

5. Gedo Mazo has been going critical for at least 5 or 6 chapters now.... and still nothing. Kishi has gotten so sick of drawing the Gedo while its freaking out that he has pretended its not even there anymore. Not only has the gedo been going critical for 5+ chapters, but the army of allies have been running to Naruto's location for abut 30-40 chapters and haven't gotten there when it only took 2-3 chapters previously for them to move the same distance. Not only that, but we haven't seen the Madara/ Kage and Oro/ Sasuke plot lines in a number of chapters despite them seeming to demand instant attention.

6. The way Kakashi has been using Kumai, HE SHOULD BE LONG DEAD!! IDC how much training Kakashi has done, the way Kishi established Kaskashi's ckakra threshold and his limits at his age, he should not be able to use Kumai as much as he had considering his past problems with it. Not only that, but Kishi is obviously planning for Kakashi to use kumai perhaps 5 or 6 more times before he lands substantial enough blows to actually defeat Tobi. This is another very significant troll, and more of a plot hole really, that Kishi is abusing to the fullest.

I could go on about Oro being sealed and yet being revived through one of a thousand curse seals.... or Madara knowing the secret seals that can override Edo Tensei despite the fact that not a single user of Edo Tensei seemed to know it.... but you all know these are serious stretches on the plot of Kishi's part and trolling at its best.

Please feel free to vent, as I just have, and discuss these trolls, plot stretches, or whatever you want to call them. Have a good night NB :).
 

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you know why?? WE ALL DONT KNOW....
just wait for kishi's explanation ...its bound to come up soon
geezjust have patience and wait for the mangas coming up
 

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He trolled the shit out of the Hyuuga clan ... Like really it seemed soo boss in part one up until we seen OP itachi powers lol . The Hyuuga have become Irrelevant !

EDIT : YES ! YES ! YES ! YES ! YES ! lol .
 

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I can stand everything else, but the ONE THING that'll make me loose it is if Tobi ends up being Obito.

Me feels would level my house.
 

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Lol, this is kinda true, to an extent. It's funny how certain things happened, but i happens. He has trolled others though, like the byakugan users. The only thing is the time it's taking for the konoha 11 to get to naruto. you have to remember, manga time and real life time are two different things. what has happened in the previous chapter concerning naruto. kakashi, guy and bee vs tobi has probably only been like 45 mins. haha

But i am in no way disappointed with the manga.
 

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Agree with 2 especially xd
And lol only one problem out of the whole list ..
Gedo Mazou is not there :shrug:
Anyway rep+ good points ;)
It is still there, you can see it early in chapter 596



you know why?? WE ALL DONT KNOW....
just wait for kishi's explanation ...its bound to come up soon
geezjust have patience and wait for the mangas coming up
What are you talking about? This thread isn't about Tobi's identity (it that's what you're implying) and in fact, it has nothing to do with what might be revealed soon. Its a thread about all the plot inconsistencies Kishi has created while attempting to finish the manga is such a rushed way. There aren't direct answers to the problems I'm bringing up, I have been stating my problems with how Kishi has handled certain things up to this point. Most of the topics I've brought up are things that Kishi has finished explaining, with the exception of Tobi's identity, or obviously won't explain (like Kakashi's extended use of Kumai).

damn i can't stand people who say shit about kishi like they can write a better manga or something
If you don't like the thread, you can get out. I don't care for people that can't look at things in more than one way. Just because Kishi has written this awesome manga and we are getting it for free does not mean we can't be allowed to be critical with him. There's something to be said about an author rushing the conclusion of his manga and virtually destroying aspects of the story that have been established for a very long time.
 
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UMMM HELLO BIGGEST TROLL OF ALL : i am 3rd hokage hailed as god of all ninja beat 1st and 2nd as an old bastard yup im baws

Madara comes back : i sure do miss the first no one beat the first its impossible not by themselves

Hiruzen: but i so totally pwned my teachers wouldnt that make me stronger than you

Madara: powerscaling get over it

Hiruzen: HAXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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1. Kishi has created so much circumstantial evidence that Tobi is Obito that he literally has destroyed his own reputation as a story writer. There are so many facts that can prove in an instant that Tobi is not Obito that it is truly a joke, and Kishi even hinting at the prospect is degrading to himself. But the way the last chapters have gone, the only way to prove that Tobi is not actually Obito anymore is if the manga states it directly.
Be patient? I really, really hope he's just screwing with us. Otherwise... I don't know. I'll probably have to take an indefinite break from the manga to cool down.

3. Kishi has also trolled us with Shisui's MS. Danzou was confirmed to have been using Shisui's MS to be casting that jutsu despite us never having seen the design. Not only that, but he managed to reduce the cooldown of the jutsu from 10 years to about 1 day by adding senju DNA to himself..... a huge troll.
Actually, was that confirmed? A powerful genjutsu, sure, but I still don't think that was KA that Danzo used. Tobi having Obito's other sharingan further (even definitively so) supports the theory that different eyes have different techs since Tobi can't use Kamui and Kakashi can't do what Tobi does. I'm sure if Tobi could warp things without touching them (Kamui), he would've done it already. Why should Shisui be any different?

5. Gedo Mazo has been going critical for at least 5 or 6 chapters now.... and still nothing. Kishi has gotten so sick of drawing the Gedo while its freaking out that he has pretended its not even there anymore. Not only has the gedo been going critical for 5+ chapters, but the army of allies have been running to Naruto's location for abut 30-40 chapters and haven't gotten there when it only took 2-3 chapters previously for them to move the same distance. Not only that, but we haven't seen the Madara/ Kage and Oro/ Sasuke plot lines in a number of chapters despite them seeming to demand instant attention.
Yeah, I find Kishi's gratuitous use of cliff hangers to be extremely annoying/frustrating, especially when we're left hanging for months (sometimes forever, e.g., Kakashi's rampage).

6. The way Kakashi has been using Kumai, HE SHOULD BE LONG DEAD!! IDC how much training Kakashi has done, the way Kishi established Kaskashi's ckakra threshold and his limits at his age, he should not be able to use Kumai as much as he had considering his past problems with it. Not only that, but Kishi is obviously planning for Kakashi to use kumai perhaps 5 or 6 more times before he lands substantial enough blows to actually defeat Tobi. This is another very significant troll, and more of a plot hole really, that Kishi is abusing to the fullest.
Someone, somewhere suggested Kakashi might be getting chakra recharges from Samehada. I think that's a perfectly legitimate explanation. I just hope Kishi actually gives us some explanation and doesn't just overlook this important detail.

I could go on about Oro being sealed and yet being revived through one of a thousand curse seals.... or Madara knowing the secret seals that can override Edo Tensei despite the fact that not a single user of Edo Tensei seemed to know it.... but you all know these are serious stretches on the plot of Kishi's part and trolling at its best.
Yep, if that's not trolling, I don't know what is.

I can stand everything else, but the ONE THING that'll make me loose it is if Tobi ends up being Obito.

Me feels would level my house.
same
 
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