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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

Actually I just joined here and this is my first thread soo no I didnt make an alt acct sorry
That's extremely hard to believe. Most truly new members start with a "Hey, I'm new" thread, but you've made a Tobi thread immediately after creating this alt account of yours. Posting this thread was your account's first post. I don't mean to be a d*ck, but I'm certain you're an alt.U_U
 

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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

That's extremely hard to believe. Most truly new members start with a "Hey, I'm new" thread, but you've made a Tobi thread immediately after creating this alt account of yours. Posting this thread was your account's first post. Also, you seem to know how to navigate on NB already. I don't mean to be a d*ck, but I'm certain you're an alt.U_U[/QUOTE

Honestly Im new and the only reason i joined is to post my opinion here, im just finding my way around but anyhow it doesn't matter i just want my opinion to be read
 

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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

That's extremely hard to believe. Most truly new members start with a "Hey, I'm new" thread, but you've made a Tobi thread immediately after creating this alt account of yours. Posting this thread was your account's first post. Also, you seem to know how to navigate on NB already. I don't mean to be a d*ck, but I'm certain you're an alt.U_U[/QUOTE

Honestly Im new and the only reason i joined is to post my opinion here, im just finding my way around but anyhow it doesn't matter i just want my opinion to be read
Okay, okay. I don't believe you. Just in case I'm wrong, welcome to the base.
OT: Yeah, Tobi is most likely Izuna. Though, that would be too expected and boring imo. I would like a twist, which Kishi is great at making.
 

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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

actually i agree with u for the same resons.
obito should die at that time.though he survived he wouldn't have the ability to control the nine tails or fight the forth hokage..he couldn't have made that progress in two years.and u know,he wouldn't attack the hidden leaf village even he really got that power.
but if kishi says he is...its just ridiculous..
 

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Re: Disapproving Another Obito Theory

I at least understand the premise of the thread. The problem is, it's still wrong. Tobi being Obito is not possible. Regardless SPF what Tobi is lying about or not, it's just technically impossible.
Honestly, who are you to say it's impossible.

That's for Kishi to decide mate. It's a story, anything can happen.

Also, hard to read my text?

You need glasses mate, it's clear as crystal to me.

Also, one last thing. Do we know exactly how and when Madara died? There's always a possibility, and so far i've proven that there is defiantly a possibility Tobi is Obito. Don't go pulling the 'impossible' word out of your ass, it's not your manga.

I agree with you, there's a small chance he is Obito. It's likely other characters like Izuna or Kagami, but that still doesn't mean you can write off ANY possibility, Kishi makes the rules.
 
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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

Tobi will never be Obito... Why? Here is my theory:

1. Tobi is too old to be Obito, he is the same age as Kakashi during the Kyuubi attack and was dead already during that time. Indications in his eyes and body show that he is old similar to danzo but much older, His knowledge of diff jutsus and infinite tsukuyomi require a lot of time to learn.

2. A lot of shinobi would have notice if he was otherwise. Note that he has disguised himself as Uchiha Madara and a lot of Shinobi's believed him notably-
-Kisame Hoshigaki, whom he also showed his face.
- Uchiha Itachi believed him to be Madara even contemplating on the threat he poses. Itachi is a genius and is not to be fooled easily, he would have easily notice if tobi was somebody else other than being madara.
-Minato would have recognized Obito in their fight.
-Nagato and Konan

3. How could Obito have gained the knowledge nor the power to control the Kyuubi, master the mangekyou, control Yagura the mizukage at such a short span of time. when we all saw that Obito was a weak shinobi in the Kakashi Gaiden. In his character profi

4. Obito has no motive.

5. Obito was crushed by a huge boulder.. who survives that?

My conclusion:

> Tobi as he had stated in Naruto 597, took the eyes of Obito. Tobi has always been on the lookout for Sharingan eyes, hell he has amassed a huge collection of them in his hideout.

> He prefers powerful Sharingan eyes as indicated for his want to collect Uchiha Shisui's eye which was possessed by Danzo at that time. Collecting Obito's eyes must have been a treasure find as shown in his constant use of its powers and the fact that he has never sacrificed them when he performs Izanagi ( a jutsu he has used twice - 1st when sasuke used amaterasu on him and 2nd during his fight with Konan)

> Tobi has to be a real Uchiha, to be able to use all those eyes constantly and at such power. His knowledge of Uchiha secrets and Madara.

> My guess- He is Uchiha Izuna, he has intimate knowledge of Madara. His similarities with madara makes it a foolproof way for him to disguise as his brother without others like kisame and itachi ever noticing the difference.
1) Did you see his face to determine how he is old? How can you determine his age when he is covered from head to toe? are determining his age based on height and knowledge? The age difference between minato and obito wasn't big. sasuke who had 16-17 years when he killed itachi was as tall as itachi if not taller. A ten year old can know more than an adult who studied his/her whole life.

2) Just like kakashi doesn't want to believe tobi is obito. Same like many of you actually, many of you don't want to accept that there is a possibility of obito being tobi. From the moment the theory of obito being tobi started it only got bigger. It went from 1% chance of being a true theory to 70-80% being true as naruto manga progressed. Uchiha Obito wasn't recognized and was an outcast to the uchiha because before he awakened his two tomoe sharingan he was considered as "crybaby". He wanted to be like the elite uchiha. Kisame would have no idea who obito was back then. You can make your hair grow and cut it again. Itachi was way too young to have known who obito was. He only assumed it was madara based on his actions. Yondaime Minato didn't know the abilities of obito and he didn't see his face either. he was more focused on finishing the fight quickly to save the village from the nine tail demon.

3) The only reason why uchiha obito survived is most likely thanks to uchiha madara. Uchiha madara was about to die and he needed someone who would revive him later. Since uchiha madara had the rinnegan, he could have revived obito even if he had died. Before uchiha madara died, he taught obito the secrets and where to find more secrets and with the rinnegan in his possession. Obito was able to read more of the uchiha tablet.

4) just nagato had no motive to get revenge against the konoha village before his parents were killed by konoha ninjas. J-man intervened in his hatred towards konoha but then once again "danzo" from konoha was responsible for the death of his best friend "yahiko". Someone who was suppose to be the savior of the world became the villain. Many more things happened during the time of kakashi. Things that konoha village are not proud of. For example the death of Rin. Kakashi goes to the grave to apologize. Even as he is about to die, kakashi blames himself again for the death of Rin. Something happened to Rin. Rin is the key person who would have changed obito. Obito loved Rin and if Rin's death was konoha's doing then this would completely change obito.

5) You are right, in real world no one would survive but it's naruto manga. The characters in naruto manage get thrown to trees, ground like sandbags and nothing happens to them. Even if obito didn't survive the boulder, there are ways to bring him back to life. This is the reason why obito can detach his arm and get another one. His whole body is an experiment of uchiha madara. Obito has cells of zetsu. These cells recovered obito crashed body parts.
 

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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

1) Did you see his face to determine how he is old? How can you determine his age when he is covered from head to toe? are determining his age based on height and knowledge? The age difference between minato and obito wasn't big. sasuke who had 16-17 years when he killed itachi was as tall as itachi if not taller. A ten year old can know more than an adult who studied his/her whole life.

2) Just like kakashi doesn't want to believe tobi is obito. Same like many of you actually, many of you don't want to accept that there is a possibility of obito being tobi. From the moment the theory of obito being tobi started it only got bigger. It went from 1% chance of being a true theory to 70-80% being true as naruto manga progressed. Uchiha Obito wasn't recognized and was an outcast to the uchiha because before he awakened his two tomoe sharingan he was considered as "crybaby". He wanted to be like the elite uchiha. Kisame would have no idea who obito was back then. You can make your hair grow and cut it again. Itachi was way too young to have known who obito was. He only assumed it was madara based on his actions. Yondaime Minato didn't know the abilities of obito and he didn't see his face either. he was more focused on finishing the fight quickly to save the village from the nine tail demon.

3) The only reason why uchiha obito survived is most likely thanks to uchiha madara. Uchiha madara was about to die and he needed someone who would revive him later. Since uchiha madara had the rinnegan, he could have revived obito even if he had died. Before uchiha madara died, he taught obito the secrets and where to find more secrets and with the rinnegan in his possession. Obito was able to read more of the uchiha tablet.

4) just nagato had no motive to get revenge against the konoha village before his parents were killed by konoha ninjas. J-man intervened in his hatred towards konoha but then once again "danzo" from konoha was responsible for the death of his best friend "yahiko". Someone who was suppose to be the savior of the world became the villain. Many more things happened during the time of kakashi. Things that konoha village are not proud of. For example the death of Rin. Kakashi goes to the grave to apologize. Even as he is about to die, kakashi blames himself again for the death of Rin. Something happened to Rin. Rin is the key person who would have changed obito. Obito loved Rin and if Rin's death was konoha's doing then this would completely change obito.

5) You are right, in real world no one would survive but it's naruto manga. The characters in naruto manage get thrown to trees, ground like sandbags and nothing happens to them. Even if obito didn't survive the boulder, there are ways to bring him back to life. This is the reason why obito can detach his arm and get another one. His whole body is an experiment of uchiha madara. Obito has cells of zetsu. These cells recovered obito crashed body parts.
See i like these types of theories, they neither confirm nor deny. They're reasonable unlike all those who just instantly debuff because its not what they want.

I dont know if its Obito but i could give like 20 reasons why it 'could' be Obito. The only reason people can give for it not being Obito is his death and wrinkles on his face...lets be honest there would probably be some scarring from being crushed by a big rock lol

Let us all remember the 101 people who said "Orochimaru IS DEAD" over and over and over and if people ever said otherwise they were instantly labelled as morons. Well look what happened!

(id like to point out i never thought Oro would be heading back into the story but my point remains)
 

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Re: The Irrefutable Evidense that words can give!!!

If Tobi is Obito kishi better damn well explain every fricking thing that shows it cant be Obito or else im gona be pissed if he we get a half ass explaination and we are left with more questions
 

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Re: Why Tobi can't be Obito

See i like these types of theories, they neither confirm nor deny. They're reasonable unlike all those who just instantly debuff because its not what they want.

I dont know if its Obito but i could give like 20 reasons why it 'could' be Obito. The only reason people can give for it not being Obito is his death and wrinkles on his face...lets be honest there would probably be some scarring from being crushed by a big rock lol

Let us all remember the 101 people who said "Orochimaru IS DEAD" over and over and over and if people ever said otherwise they were instantly labelled as morons. Well look what happened!

(id like to point out i never thought Oro would be heading back into the story but my point remains)
Haha, you are so wrong its ridiculous. There is DEFINITIVE proof that Tobi isn't Obito. Those aren't the only reasons, nor are they the best. Go do a little research, and you may find the proof I'm talkin about.
 

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Re: The Irrefutable Evidense that words can give!!!

Tobi seemed to know Gai and Kakashi. He is def from the leaf. I don't think he is Obito though. That would be plot hole massive and at the same time too easy to guess. I don't think Tobi is Izuna either because Madara clearly states that the only thing Izuna left behind was his eyes after he died which basically means Izuna is still dead.
 

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Re: Disapproving Another Obito Theory

Honestly, who are you to say it's impossible.

That's for Kishi to decide mate. It's a story, anything can happen.

Also, hard to read my text?

You need glasses mate, it's clear as crystal to me.

Also, one last thing. Do we know exactly how and when Madara died? There's always a possibility, and so far i've proven that there is defiantly a possibility Tobi is Obito. Don't go pulling the 'impossible' word out of your ass, it's not your manga.

I agree with you, there's a small chance he is Obito. It's likely other characters like Izuna or Kagami, but that still doesn't mean you can write off ANY possibility, Kishi makes the rules.
Anything is possible you say? I suppose, if you don't care about having a contradictory storyline or losing a lot of followers...

And you your last point, I actually DO know when Madara died. He said he died shortly after unlocking his Rinnegan. Then, let's say (for the sake of your argument), that Tobi immediately placed those eyes into Nagato (we know Nagato's eyes must be Madara's, Tobi wouldn't have access to any other Rinnegan after all). Now, we know this happened either DURING or RIGHT BEFORE the SECOND ninja world war. At this point, your argument already seems a bit shaky...considering that Obito was 13 during the THIRD ninja war, I highly doubt that an even YOUNGER Obito would have been capable of eye surgery.

But there's more. According to the databook, when Kakashi was born, Jiraya was 24 years old. Why does this matter? Well, Obito was born at around the same time as Kakashi. So we can then assume that when Obito was born, Jiraya was 24 years old. Now, we have to think of the timeline again. We know that when Jiraya met Nagato, Nagato was 9 or 10 years old, and the 2nd ninja world war was going on. Similarly, when Obito was 13 and in the midst of the 3rd ninja world war, Jiraya was 37. So lets say that for some reason, the third war happened RIGHT after the second, with no time in between, and Jiraya happened to meet an train Nagato during that time. Nagato would have been 9, so when he was born, Jiraya would have been 28. Thus, at that time, Obito would have been FOUR YEARS OLD.

NO FOUR YEAR OLD COULD POSSIBLY CONDUCT EYE SURGERY IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DURING WAR TIME, OR COME UP WITH A PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH UCHIHA MADARA!!! And if even after reading this that is what you're claiming, then I'm sorry but you are pitifully stupid.

Is that enough proof for you?
 

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Tobi - Different approach

Well...I have read many theories about Tobi's identity and I decided it was time to throw my own. Remember, I'm not suggesting that I'm right, just speculating.

So...Tobi actually is Uchiha Madara. :eek: Shocking right? (sarcasm)
Now let me explain.

We read about big clash between Madara and Hashirama and Tobi claims that he survived...gravely injured but survived nonetheless.
How is that possible?
Let me introduce Mr. Orochimaru and his Living Corpse Reincarnation jutsu.
With this jutsu Orochimaru could transfer his soul to another body granting him "immortality". But is it his original jutsu? What if the original creator of this jutsu is Uchiha Madara?
Stay with me it will be interesting.

I think that Madara was indeed the creator of this jutsu and he used it after the battle with Hashirama when he was injured. He probably took body of some fodder ninja just so he could survive. But from that point on he was trying to get body of an Uchiha (so that he would have Sharingan back). But unfortunately he was unable to get one. During that time he was experimenting with Hashirama's cells that he acquired during their battle. Thus...creating Zetsu.

With Zetsu's help he was spying on Konoha. Then came the famous battle in which Obito had awakened Sharingan but was ultimately crushed by rocks. Zetsu seeing that alarmed Madara. After Kakashi and his team left Madara got to work. He took Obito's corpse from the rubble. He saw that right side of the corpse was crushed but the precious eye was still intact. So with Zetsu's help he reformed the corpse and used his soul transfer justu thus creating Tobi (he knew Obito's name and decided to play game with letters to **** with others minds).

I highlighted right side because so far the only injury Tobi had was created on his right side. Right arm to be precise - when he tore it it didn't look like normal arm but like part of Zetsu ( my guess is he can't feel pain in the right side either ).

Now if you'll say things like how could Orochimaru took Madara's jutsu I have one word: Akatsuki.
We know that at one point Orochimaru joined Akatsuki, but! Would he join just because they asked him nicely? It's farfetched but I think that Madara saw Orochimaru as a valuable asset and to make his offer irresistible he offered him his soul transfer jutsu as a gift thus making Orochimaru join.

And yes...for quite some time he had Sasuke's body near him so why didn't he took it? First, after that much time he was comfortable in Obito's body. Second, it would probably take some time to be adapt to Sasuke's body.
Third thing that points to this: Tobi is repeating same thing for quite some time : that Naruto is just a pawn to stimulate Sasuke - and why? Becasue if he'll transfer his soul again he wants the new body to be as strong as it can get.

And that is all. I thnik it fits quite nicely. Even with Tobi's claim that he wanted Nagato to use his ressurection on himself.

Peace out. :noc:
 
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Re: Tobi - Different approach

You're the 1989576th person to post that same theory this day! You win a big 'ol F**K YOU!!!

Enjoy, 'tard. Tobi ID threads belong in the sticky thread.
 
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