[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 597 Discussion and 598 Predictions

[animemomontherun]

I think the grave Kakashi was thinking about was Rin's.

The grave in question is the Grave of Heroes just outside Konoha. It is the one that honors ALL the fallen heroes of Konoha in battle. It isn't far from the training grounds. Kakashi goes there each morning and berates himself for Obito's death (not learning the lesson he taught) and for some reason not protecting Rin and the 4th -and anyone else that bothers him at that particular time. Maybe now Sasuke, who knows?

 

[Sephy100]

You day this as if obito only had one sharingan eye....... and no where does it say the owner of the eye has to be dead for someone else to use iy

Obito's other eye was crushed. And you're right it doesn't say that the original owner has to be dead but in this case Obito was dead way before the bridge of Kannabi battle because Kakashi had the sharingan by then. I know you and a lot of other people don't want to believe it but it's not Obito.

 

[Dacron]

ok awesome chapter....getting closer to tobi's ID xd
now i'm not a big fan of Tobi/Obito theory but i had a weird thought lolz

ok i might be totally overthinking it but here it is

what if when the rock was about to fall on obito he somehow awakened his S/T jutsu and maybe that side of his body got to the other dimension and wasn't crushed.....he said he couldn't feel his right side maybe just ......well thats all ..i know its kinda silly but i had a thought so just liked sharing it

I actually agree with you their, even if it isn't currently Obito that is Tobi, it would of saved his eye long enough for someone to salvage it. So many other options also but I don't feel like typing out all the potential scenarios.

 

[The God]

Here's the question I believe everyone should be asking themselves... what's the connection between Tobi madara orochimaru and nagato. How did madara know about Tobi and nagato. Tobi was obviously collecting sharingan so its provably safe to say that he got lucky in the obito eye mutation. Another question where did Tobi get rinnegan to give to nagato? I'd say orochimaru the smartest man in the narutiverse possibly. As he was the one along with kabuto who realized sharigan could mutate to the rinnegan. But how would tobi get these eyes. iwho s this man that knows everything that sasuke will see... a weakened sage of 6 paths? At this point I wouldn't be surprised by anything. there are a lot of unanswered. Questions

Srry if a lot of this is messed up I have to type from a phone sadly....

what makes you think tobi couldnt have got the rinnegan from madaras dead body smh

 

[The God]

and orochimaru is not a student of tobis

because when kabuto raises madara tobi states "how much did oro know" meaning orochi was not in the loop

i really do believe zetsu was created by madara hence the link with hashirama cells with zetsu

and we also know zetsu EATS corpses

who knows what happens to these corpses once he eats them or what strength he gains

he may have eaten obito and made tobi

or madara might have split his conscience into a zetsu

one thing i am sure of tho is tobi is NOT a true uchiha otherwise kabuto would have absorbed him instead

sasuke is the last living uchiha and i reckon for kabutos technique to work u need to be alive

and kakashi wouldnt have asked where did u get tht eye, if he suspected it was obito

i really think zetsu plays a major role

and the death of rin most likely awoken kakashis MS

also its good to note tht sasukes unique dojutsu to his MS is amaterasu even tobi mentioned tht he wasnt suprised he inherited amatarasu because he was itachis brother

sasuke can manipulate amatarasu with and is more profficient then itachi and even switch it off
so its most likely tobi can manipulate kamui hence his teleportation of himself

so with tht said its possible he stole that eye from obitos relative in the massacre

or zetsu ate his corpse and gained insight to obitos memories and what not

i dno lol i cant wait tho for the nxt mange to come outxd

 

[Demented 7]

I think Tobi is izuna uchiha. in the last chapters they revealed that he helped itachi eliminate the uchiha clan and had a grudge against them. who els would have a grudge against them and would know the location of the secret hide out.then this week they announced that tobi has "possession of obito's Eye" if it is izuna he would need eye's since he gave them to his brother.and we already know tobi obtained gotten multiple sharingans. and last but not least in chapter 490 when kabuto showed him the 6th Coffin it was indeed Madara his brother and was Shocked.
An on izuna's Wikia they mention that he "died" honorably blind.

Sorry for my 1st post being a rant just thought i'd add my two cents

 

[Gay for God]

5/5!

 

[Bento Uchiha]

I predict tobi attacking kashi next chap gai comes in to save him and ends up being killed by tobi

 

[The God]

I think Tobi is izuna uchiha. in the last chapters they revealed that he helped itachi eliminate the uchiha clan and had a grudge against them. who els would have a grudge against them and would know the location of the secret hide out.then this week they announced that tobi has "possession of obito's Eye" if it is izuna he would need eye's since he gave them to his brother.and we already know tobi obtained gotten multiple sharingans. and last but not least in chapter 490 when kabuto showed him the 6th Coffin it was indeed Madara his brother and was Shocked.
An on izuna's Wikia they mention that he "died" honorably blind.

Sorry for my 1st post being a rant just thought i'd add my two cents

kabuto in that same episode mentions how tobis vessel is interesting still reffering to tobi as madara

 

[Kyno]

Rating:4/5
tobi might as well not even be an uchiha. He just goes eye-shopping from the dead. The fact that kakashi has a hint of who he is could mean that he was one of the bandits he faced.

598 prediction: We get trolled as they skip to the "all-knowing person" with orochimaru and sasuke and that mysterious scroll.

So wait, obito isn't strong enough to be tobi, but the bandits that kakashi dealt with for the most part and then minato came and and killed the rest, it could be one of those guys? That's just straight up denial.

And by the way, he used izanagi, and I would think that if it puts a heavy amount of strain on an uchiha, it would probably be a lot worse for a non uchiha.

I completely agree with the 598 prediction tho

 

[sravan]

i want to see tobi as a new character we never seen before.......

 

[SakurasHairline]

Tobi is not Obito. You really think Obito would make the Akatsuki, collect all the tailed beasts, and try to take over the world because of RIN? Dude genuinely cared about Kakashi and was a nice guy. Kishi just wants you guys to think its Obito by throwing out 'obvious clues'.


Also, there are so many ridiculous theories on how Tobi is Obito...for example like how Obito grew really fast cause of Hashirama cells or whatever to fight the 4th. A+ for imagination, F- and a detention for common logic. As a writer you have to keep the story tight and cohesive, and trust Kishi is a GREAT writer...look what he did with Itachi's story. You Tobi-Obito theorists are really reaching and from the bottom of my heart, I hate you all.

 

[Kyno]

and orochimaru is not a student of tobis

because when kabuto raises madara tobi states "how much did oro know" meaning orochi was not in the loop

i really do believe zetsu was created by madara hence the link with hashirama cells with zetsu

and we also know zetsu EATS corpses

who knows what happens to these corpses once he eats them or what strength he gains

he may have eaten obito and made tobi

or madara might have split his conscience into a zetsu

one thing i am sure of tho is tobi is NOT a true uchiha otherwise kabuto would have absorbed him instead

sasuke is the last living uchiha and i reckon for kabutos technique to work u need to be alive

and kakashi wouldnt have asked where did u get tht eye, if he suspected it was obito

i really think zetsu plays a major role

and the death of rin most likely awoken kakashis MS

also its good to note tht sasukes unique dojutsu to his MS is amaterasu even tobi mentioned tht he wasnt suprised he inherited amatarasu because he was itachis brother

sasuke can manipulate amatarasu with and is more profficient then itachi and even switch it off
so its most likely tobi can manipulate kamui hence his teleportation of himself

so with tht said its possible he stole that eye from obitos relative in the massacre

or zetsu ate his corpse and gained insight to obitos memories and what not

i dno lol i cant wait tho for the nxt mange to come outxd

The only reason I can see that abuts technique would require the living is if he used the edo tensei like oro was gonna use on sasuke. Otherwise my guess is just dna based. So it wouldn't really require the living. But on your point on why tobi isn't an uchiha, you ignore some much. Like the fact that kabuto probably knows that tobi becomes untouchable and that any attempt to try and capture him would be futile.

 

[Kyno]

Tobi is not Obito. You really think Obito would make the Akatsuki, collect all the tailed beasts, and try to take over the world because of RIN? Dude genuinely cared about Kakashi and was a nice guy. Kishi just wants you guys to think its Obito by throwing out 'obvious clues'.


Also, there are so many ridiculous theories on how Tobi is Obito...for example like how Obito grew really fast cause of Hashirama cells or whatever to fight the 4th. A+ for imagination, F- and a detention for common logic. As a writer you have to keep the story tight and cohesive, and trust Kishi is a GREAT writer...look what he did with Itachi's story. You Tobi-Obito theorists are really reaching and from the bottom of my heart, I hate you all.

Well that is a little harsh and unfair to us logical thinkers who think that tobi is obito. There could be countless other reasons for him joining the akatsuki. Think about this from tobi's perspective. In his eyes, he is not taking over the world, but he is bringing about a world where true peace exist. The way he choses to do this is by taking away free choice and willpower and making everything the way he says it should be. There is nothing inherently 'evil' about that, even though it's wrong.

You know who else was a nice kid? Nagato. He genuinely cared about his friends as well. Where was he right before the end of his life? Trying to create pain to bring about peace. Danzo was also a good guy. Or at least he was trying to do what was best for Konoha. He made people kill the people closest to them and live an emotionless life in order to accomplish his goals. Was it right? No. Was it evil? The means were, the ends were not. Tobi is/could be in the same situation. All he wants to do is bring about a world without regret, a world of peace. Those are the ends, and to someone who thinks the end justifies the means, then only the end is calculated in the act, making his actions actually good. To him at least. Motive is not an issue, because no matter who it is motive is gonna need a back story anyway.

 

[Kyno]

I think Tobi is izuna uchiha. in the last chapters they revealed that he helped itachi eliminate the uchiha clan and had a grudge against them. who els would have a grudge against them and would know the location of the secret hide out.then this week they announced that tobi has "possession of obito's Eye" if it is izuna he would need eye's since he gave them to his brother.and we already know tobi obtained gotten multiple sharingans. and last but not least in chapter 490 when kabuto showed him the 6th Coffin it was indeed Madara his brother and was Shocked.
An on izuna's Wikia they mention that he "died" honorably blind.

Sorry for my 1st post being a rant just thought i'd add my two cents

Madara had a grudge against the uchiha, and for one pretending to be Madara uchiha, it would be necessary to act like him, even if your end goal was just to obtain all the sharingan. Who else would have a grudge against the uchiha? Not izuna. Izuna might have had a grudge against madara, but he left the uchiha, so there would be no reason for izuna to hold any grude against the uchiha, let alone a grude at all, since the third databook states he has a harmonic nature. Tobi does not seem very harmonic. When tobi was shown the sixth coffin, tobi was probably shocked because to everyone else they thought he was madara and he thought that kabuki thought he was madara, but he Was surprised to learn that kabuto knew that he was not madara, or perhaps even surprised he was able to obtain madara's body. Yes, it did state that izuna died in battle. So what?

 

[Kyno]

Well I liked the chapter U_U 5 stars
Cannot wait to see who Tobi is ^-^
I have to say I told you so .. ahaha He had Obito's eye but isn't Obito
LOL Tobi is not Obito wootwoot , sorry Obitotards
Over all awesome chapter , but when it went over what we already knew , that was a bit annoying U_U
Can't wait for this weeks installment ! Please Base don't die on us ! :T_T:
If Tobi is revealed this week and the base craps out ..

Where did it say he isn't obito?

 

[Kyno]

And for all those people who are saying that the obvious clues are meant to throw us off and that kishi would never make it that obvious, well 90% of NB still doesn't think it's obito, so I say that if tobi is obito, he did his job well. I wonder if in japan everybody is physiqued about obito and that's why kishi is hinting at it.

 

[Demented 7]

Madara had a grudge against the uchiha, and for one pretending to be Madara uchiha, it would be necessary to act like him, even if your end goal was just to obtain all the sharingan. Who else would have a grudge against the uchiha? Not izuna. Izuna might have had a grudge against madara, but he left the uchiha, so there would be no reason for izuna to hold any grude against the uchiha, let alone a grude at all, since the third databook states he has a harmonic nature. Tobi does not seem very harmonic. When tobi was shown the sixth coffin, tobi was probably shocked because to everyone else they thought he was madara and he thought that kabuki thought he was madara, but he Was surprised to learn that kabuto knew that he was not madara, or perhaps even surprised he was able to obtain madara's body. Yes, it did state that izuna died in battle. So what?

they mention he dies in battle blinde that was the point there boy wonder..izuna died honorably do u think that means he got killed by random nin that implys for uchiha. tobi acted the same way when he saw madara on the field in a past chapter. then again when i mentioned when kabuto showed him the body he was shocked to see his brother's corpse. and that would make sense as to why tobi has obito's eye now its all really just speculation so please dont act like u have/know the answers just like i dont there brah :]

 

[Soulskinner]

I hate being rude here but its really simple to understand who is Tobi since Kishi is giving us clues long time now.
I ll try to explain my theory so far.

Tobi isn't Madara. He was terrified when he learned that Madara was alive. Tobi isn't Obito. He is way too old to be in the same team with Kakashi. (And way too powerful. Don't forget that roughly the time when obito died, Tobi fought the 4th.) We know that Madara had a brother. We also know that madara took his eyes when he was blind. We know that Tobi is gathering eyes. We now know that Tobi took obito's sharingan. Do you see where i am going?
I think kishi is giving us hints since the begining. If you see the facts, and only them, we know that tobi has a clear connection with, Madara, Obito, Uchiha and Senju. I can see only one guy who is capable of that. IZUNA.

 

[gaucho]

V

I Tobi is Rin I'm gonna shoot someone

Very unlikely its rin....