[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 597 Discussion and 598 Predictions

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I've been Passively reading this forum for quite some time now and I just wanted to post my thoughts on the matter.

Allright let's start.

1. The most Viable theory out there is the one that says Tobi is Obito, although I don't believe he is. My main argument for this is the timeline, it just doesn't fit. But, it is possible that Tobi is related to Obito somehow, now why do I think this:
Obito was an underclass Ninja, barely able to unlock his Sharingan, why would anybody want such a weak sharingan without special abilities? I don't think Obito's body was retrieved by Konoha, Obito's name is just on the Konoha Memorial stone. Now why would Tobi want that Sharingan? Why would he retrieve it?
I think it has to be Someone Obito knew, His father? His Brother? Someone who wanted Obito's body back out of emotional reason instead off power. This makes me lean more to the Tobi is Obito's father theory (maybe Kagami?). He retrieved the body of his son, implanted his sharingan in his own eyes and unlocked the S/T jutsu (this is also the reason why his sharingan is always active).
Tobi also is someone who obviously holds a grudge against Kakashi, the only one I can think off is Kagami (and I think Kakashi knows at this point).

2. Tobi has been shown as a Genjutsu master, the best in the Manga (exclude Madara from this for a moment). for example: He was able to mislead the fourth Mizukage (who was a Jinchuuriki and a kage, so he had to be an elite ninja). Now it's not easy to put a kage under a genjutsu, let alone a junchuuriki because the tailed beasts are able to change your flow of chakra and snap you out of it. Therefore he had to put both Yagura and the three tails under a genjutsu to control him. There's only one person who is able to do this, Madara. Therefore I'm pretty sure Tobi was Madara's student at some point and to stretch it even further, Tobi was Orochimaru's sensei at another point. There are only three people in the manga that know all the secrets about the sharingan, the SO6P and the ten-tails: Madara > Tobi > Orochimaru. It's quite possible they were all teacher/student at some point.
(Please leave Itachi out of this one, he has nothing to do with it)

3. This one is just a wild guess but I wanted to share this with you guys. Tobi and Kakashi are unique, they both have one Sharingan implanted from the same person, there is nobody else in the Manga who has the same connection. We know they are both connected through the same dimesion. Now what if Tobi is able to see through Kakashi's eye with that dimension, it would explain why Obito's eye was usefull in the first place. Kakashi would be the perfect spy, he wouldn't even realise it himself and he was close with the nine-tails. Everything tobi knows about Naruto and Konoha is information someone told Kakashi in the past. This is likely not correct because Kakashi wears that eyepatch all the time but just think about it.

4. everybody is speculating on who Tobi is but nobody realises that there are three main things we know nothing about and influenced the entire manga.
The first one is Tobirama: he created a jutsu that made the dead come back to live, he made it possible to bring the most powerfull ninja off all time back (Madara). We only have speculations about his death, it's never been confirmed he died when he was the decoy. I think people underestimate his contribution to the plot and forget about him to easily.
The second is Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan: this one's important. Kakashi had no relatives, had no friends (exclude Gai) so how did he managed to unlock this one. I think this is in pair with the Rin background story, but why haven't we seen Rin in part I, he unlocked his MS in the timeskip so if Rin wasn't death in part one, where was she? I'm really looking forward to this one.
Third: Zetsu. Nobody cares about Zetsu but in my opion he's just as important for this story as Tobi is. Who the hell is he? We know he's partially made out of Hashirama's cells but what was his origine? His purpose? This one has to be a huge background story, I always thought this would be revealed before Tobi's identity but okay it makes me wonder what will happen when he rejoins Madara. Actually, I think this one's related to Tobirama somehow. It's just a hunch.


Again, these are just my thoughts and probably some people already figured some of these things out. I'm just putting it together.
 
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Here's the question I believe everyone should be asking themselves... what's the connection between Tobi madara orochimaru and nagato. How did madara know about Tobi and nagato. Tobi was obviously collecting sharingan so its provably safe to say that he got lucky in the obito eye mutation. Another question where did Tobi get rinnegan to give to nagato? I'd say orochimaru the smartest man in the narutiverse possibly. As he was the one along with kabuto who realized sharigan could mutate to the rinnegan. But how would tobi get these eyes. iwho s this man that knows everything that sasuke will see... a weakened sage of 6 paths? At this point I wouldn't be surprised by anything. there are a lot of unanswered. Questions

Srry if a lot of this is messed up I have to type from a phone sadly....
 
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Well, my guess is that every Uchiha has the potential to develop a certain unique eye power. Obito died young and there is no telling how powerful he could have been. Every once in a while we discover a new sharingan skill that is unique to a certain individual. I reckon Sasuke could unlock some new eye power as well. But that`s just a wild guess :)
im thinkin this is because sauske is shit? if obito got ms i mean commonnn sasuke is a gayboy
 

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I always thought Tobi had Obito's eye (I thought it was on his forhead though :p) But that doesn't prove that he is him per say. I think Big Foot is right and that Obito's body is being used a vessel of some point. And if we all remember guys, Tobi's knowledge on things such as Kakashi's guilt could be brought to the fact that his pal Zetsu "records" things :) AMAZING CHAPTER BTW!!!
He couldn't have Obito's eye. His entire right side of his body (including his eye) was CRUSHED and THEN the whole damn cave collapsed. Also, Kakashi and Obito were the same age so how could Obito and Tobi have been the same person that attacked the village when Naruto was born? The person that attacked the 4th Hokage was a grown ass man. No way they're the same person. You might be on to something with the Zetsu thing in terms of how Tobi knows so much.

Either way, we'll find out for sure soon.
 

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It was a great chapter, but as for what going to happen next it think kakashi will be killed off if the tobi does end up being obito.

However i think tobi is Kagami Uchiha :cool: xd

i cant post links yet but if you look him up on the naruto wikia you will see who he is
 

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Well, my guess is that every Uchiha has the potential to develop a certain unique eye power. Obito died young and there is no telling how powerful he could have been. Every once in a while we discover a new sharingan skill that is unique to a certain individual. I reckon Sasuke could unlock some new eye power as well. But that`s just a wild guess :)
Since Itachi has shown no unique MS ability that must mean not all Uchihas get unique abilities. Although Itachi's tsukuyomi can only be broken by Uchihas so maybe that is his special ability but that is probably not the case since it might just be because he is a pro genjutsu user.
 

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Since Itachi has shown no unique MS ability that must mean not all Uchihas get unique abilities. Although Itachi's tsukuyomi can only be broken by Uchihas so maybe that is his special ability but that is probably not the case since it might just be because he is a pro genjutsu user.
His susanoo is different and no one else has been seen using tsukuyomi
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It's not Obito people. Obito died giving Kakashi his sharingan eye. Kakashi was known as the hero of the sharingan eye at the battle of Kannabi bridge. 2+2=4. Kakashi can't become a hero with the sharingan eye if the original owner of the eye wasn't dead.
 

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It's not Obito people. Obito died giving Kakashi his sharingan eye. Kakashi was known as the hero of the sharingan eye at the battle of Kannabi bridge. 2+2=4. Kakashi can't become a hero with the sharingan eye if the original owner of the eye wasn't dead.
You day this as if obito only had one sharingan eye....... and no where does it say the owner of the eye has to be dead for someone else to use iy
 

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It's very unlikely from Kishi to reveal Tobi's identity so easily after painstakingly making him the main antagonist of this manga.........It's the most possible thing that TObi is using obito's eye for specialty of S/T jutsu....It's also proved that every sharingan has its unique or special jutsu....So, I guess Sasuke will also have some unique jutsu of his own (may be altering or pause time, a variant of S/T jutsu).

Seeing the reaction of Kakashi when he understood that Tobi is using Obito's eye, I can also assume that Kakashi is also lying all the time about Obito's death and method of getting Obito's eye (what we saw in Kakshi Gaiden is from Kakshi's perspective, not from Minato, Obito or Rin's point of view, as all three were dead by the time we saw Kakashi Gaiden, so Kakashi has ample opportunity for lying............Also, we don't know yet how Obito's eye (which in Kakshi's eyeball) awakened its mangekyu power. So, I guess Kakashi also did some horrible thing to awaken MS...........
 

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my predictions for the next few chapters

kakashi will die from over using kami and tobi will sneak up behind him or something and defeat him. then im guessing guy will be heaps upset and use ninjutsu
Then naruto will step in and they will finally remove his mask
and then they will probs skip back to another part of the war just to be annoying.
And i dont think tobi is obito, he must have just taken his eye.
 

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I disagree that Tobi has got to Obito now.

shows tobi saying that he doesnt want heroes to make pitiful stories at the grave, and then there is a picture of kakashi at obito's grave. Lets remember that half of obito's body was crushed we did not see anything about his eye being crushed, it just wasnt visible. Tobi cannot be Obito and here is why, why the hell would Obito talk to the 4th hokage as if he didnt know him, i mean he was his master after all... Tobi just stole Obito's eye which connects him to kakashi through obito. The only 2 real possibilities are Kagami uchiha and Izuna uchiha. Kagami would be the perfect age to be A tobi. He is linked to the 2nd hokage who knew space-time nin, and is presumably around the same age as danzo and the others. kagami is assumed to be dead, but if he was teamed up with the 2nd hokage, the elders, danzo, hiruzen, wouldn't we have heard about his death? Someone that powerful doesnt disappear so easily.

As Itachi was a double agent for konoha, it is my belief that Kagami was a double agent for Madara. he got close and befriended the tobirama group, but he as never on their side. Using his sharingan he was able to take what the 2nd hokage used and perfect it. Since the databook says that any sharingan can master kamui, it was not difficult for a sharingan user to mix the two into a complete technique.

Kagami fits tobi perfectly, the age, the techniques, his knowledgem everything.
I agree man, but we are not sure who is really the masked man. My question also is, how could tobi use s/t with only sharingan activated while kakashi needs to go MS?
 

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I noticed something and I dont know if this is relevant to Tobito theories. When Tobi used Izanagi against Konan, notice how he gave up the left eye, not his right eye. Why? Because S/T jutsu he uses has to be done with Obito's right eye. Left eye was probably obtained from a dead Uchiha from the massacre. Thats why he couldn't use Izanagi against Yondaime Hokage, because there he didn't have an eye to sacrifice. Just saying. And please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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