[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 597 Discussion and 598 Predictions

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Its Kagami my 5 cent, the chap was ok a give a 3 to much explainning for me Naruto still only wish to be hokage seriously man he can own most of them, Next chapter i wanna see Madara an Sasuke what the hell are they doin chilling Madara probably slapping Tsunade an Mei asses an the guys teeth in. Sasuke just foolin with Anko an smoking some wild life
 

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Tobi IS Obito !!!

1. Episode 249(05:17), kakashi, gai etc. They are young adults. And they are not kids at 13 years old like some of you have said. So Tobi(Obito) is at the same height of yondaime.

2. Tobi(Obito): It's to late to regret. "heroes dont have to make pitiful excuses infront of graves."

Obito says in kakashi gaiden, that he lookes up to him as a great jounin (hero).
And kakashi been on that "Hero gravestone" every morning since obito/rin died.
So Obito must have been seen him and listened. See what kakashi did with his sharingan, if he moved on etc.
And how could he have known of Kakashis regret about obito and rin?

3. After still bein' alive and see rin, kakashi etc. regret bein' able to save him. And cry at the gravestones. All the sorrow in the world after peoples deaths in war etc. Made him the madman he is today "TOBI".

4. What importance should it be if now as some say, Zetsu spy on kakshi when he's at the gravestone? NOTHING!

Just live with its a madman Obito coming back.
Another thing in kakashi gaiden, obito say "my right side is ALMOST crushed". In other words his sharingan could have awakened and saved his body.

GG its Obito. No more suspicion or philosophy.
 

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That's exactly what I was thinking. The Uzimaki's seem to be descended from both Uchiha and Senju, so I can see Naruto becoming the new So6P, that's the way he'll change the ninja world in my opinion
 

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Right now, I'm most towards the Izuna theory, but that's not why i'm posting.
I'm a bit lost about what Tobi said to Kakashi.
"You're just words and no actions! What someone like you says is worth nothing! It's too late to regret. Reality is just cruelly moving forward."

Maybe I don't have my facts straight, but I don't understand why Tobi is so pissed towards Kakashi. No malicious villain like Tobi should have that kind of emotional tying. Nagato did, but it showed that he had hope in becoming good, and Naruto was that hope for him (cheesy LOL)

Tobi knows almost everything about Kakashi, and always makes deep eye contact with him in every meeting. He clearly has some connection to Kakashi, and knows about his regret in not being able to protect Rin when he promised to.
This hints (I'm not saying it proves anything) that Tobi = Obito.
Obito loved Rin, and would do anything for her.
Also, Kakashi promised to protect Rin, but wasn't able to, and Obito would be pretty pissed about that if he was alive.
And he also mentioned to Kakashi when he was alive that abandoning your friends makes you worse than scum. That was a principle he lived by. Kakashi was named the Hero of the Sharingan, but, to Obito, that title probably meant nothing, because Kakashi couldn't even save his friend and Obito's love.
But the thing is: Obito would most likely work things out with Kakashi if he were alive, not have murderous intent. These are malicious thoughts that would be probably rooted deep inside Obito if he were still alive (ugh i've repeated that a lot of times, haven't I?). Everyone - all of us - have malicious thoughts that we never reveal. Unless all our thoughts disappeared and we were resorted to primal instinct, then maybe.

What doesn't make sense is the fact that Obito would never want to cause global domination, unless he was brainwashed or the theories that I've read on the forum about Madara being sensei and Obito being pupil (The person who fought Minato in the past may have not been Tobi. It could've been Madara who passed his ideals to his pupil, who is the Tobi we see today.)
He also said that same chapter that he got the eye at the fight at the Kannabi Bridge; he didn't say that it was his eye from the start.
It's weird. Somehow I'm thinking Tobi has identity crisis or something. :confused:
He has the emotional connection to Kakashi and his regrets, like Obito would have, but he also has the plans to destroy the entire world, well, inflict Infinite Tsukuyomi, which Obito wouldn't have. It just doesn't fit together. I almost think that mentally, one half of Tobi is Obito and the other half of Tobi is Madara, who would want to destroy the world because of the discrimination that the Uchiha faced.
Obito would never show such malicious intent to Kakashi, but Madara would. It's almost like their thoughts, emotions, and experiences are mixing together and making a new personality which is Tobi. (This could make sense if you consider the sensei-pupil theory)

But again, this might be the worst theory ever.. Just what thoughts I'm having to make sense of this O.O

There are so many things going on; can't wait until it's all made sense of. :sy:
 
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I have three suspects for who tobi COULD be;
1: of course Obito, I've been supporting this theory ever since I read KAkashi Gaiden;
2: again, of course Izuna, it just seems like Kishi would bring MAdara and Izuna together to complete the connection of the brotherhood theme of Naruto;
3: now this one is a stretch, I think it will be revealed to be none other than Shishui, I mean his suicide was nothing more than a swim, it would take a hell of a lot more to kill any ninja let alone an Uchiha of his caliber. Also, didn't Shishui give Itachi his right eye?
 

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Great Chapter, 5*
Seems to me the manga is trying to throw the possibility of tobi being obito a bit to obviously in our faces. i guess well have to wait a few weeks to find out for sure.

Deffinetly do not think that tobi is obito though... tobi and zetsu teamed have infinite ways of getting sharingan eyes from fallen uchiha. whats to say they didn't take it off obito's dead body after the cave collapsed on obito.
and as one person on this page said earlier (when tobi fought the 4th) kakashi was still a teen when that happened, obito being around the same age, i highly doubt he would have grown into a full grown man in that short a time.... especially with half his body being crushed and all.
 

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I'm hoping it won't be Obito, seeing as though it's hinting to that idea at the moment (or that at the very least, his eye is being used.). The best thing we could hope for is a mind$%^& by Kishi.
 

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Tobi IS Obito !!!

1. Episode 249(05:17), kakashi, gai etc. They are young adults. And they are not kids at 13 years old like some of you have said. So Tobi(Obito) is at the same height of yondaime.

2. Tobi(Obito): It's to late to regret. "heroes dont have to make pitiful excuses infront of graves."

Obito says in kakashi gaiden, that he lookes up to him as a great jounin (hero).
And kakashi been on that "Hero gravestone" every morning since obito/rin died.
So Obito must have been seen him and listened. See what kakashi did with his sharingan, if he moved on etc.
And how could he have known of Kakashis regret about obito and rin?

3. After still bein' alive and see rin, kakashi etc. regret bein' able to save him. And cry at the gravestones. All the sorrow in the world after peoples deaths in war etc. Made him the madman he is today "TOBI".

4. What importance should it be if now as some say, Zetsu spy on kakshi when he's at the gravestone? NOTHING!

Just live with its a madman Obito coming back.
Another thing in kakashi gaiden, obito say "my right side is ALMOST crushed". In other words his sharingan could have awakened and saved his body.

GG its Obito. No more suspicion or philosophy.
Kakashi and the others are still teenagers at that point. The math adds up to them being about 14 years old when the nine-tails attacked. Why else would they be put safely somewhere else and watched over by the older ninja?
 

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Ok we've established that both Kakashi's and Obito's eye are connected. But how the hell did Tobi know about Kakashi's trip to visit Obito at the graveyard? Why did he say he gave Nagato the rinnegan? Tobi seems as though he regretted one of his actions in the past (a way towards peace), and this plan of his is to make up for it.
 

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Ok we've established that both Kakashi's and Obito's eye are connected. But how the hell did Tobi know about Kakashi's trip to visit Obito at the graveyard? Why did he say he gave Nagato the rinnegan? Tobi seems as though he regretted one of his actions in the past (a way towards peace), and this plan of his is to make up for it.
Could be that since it's his eye, he can see anything Kakashi sees with that eye. Hell, the way things are going I wouldnt be surprised of anything, including that all jutsus that kakashi copied, Tobi can also do them. Kishi is going to troll us to death! Matter of fact kakashi should be dead already from the excessive use of Kamui. Oh, wait a minute, Kishi troll says it doesnt count if its used to transport an object to the same dimension as tobi's. Nevermind.
 
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Hmm one of the guys above mentioned that how is Tobi able to use the power of kamui without having to go MS. That's a really good point, if anyone can solve that with a good point that would be pretty awesome. And I think it's safe to say that both Tobi and Kakashi have Obito's eyes otherwise them having the same "other" dimension wouldn't make sense.

My input: I believe Tobi is neither Izuna nor Kagami, those people were barely mentioned in the past chapters. Why is Masashi (The writer of the manga or w.e. his name is) directing this whole thing on Kakashi and Tobi?

MUST READ: Tobi is either Obito or someone who never had Sharingan before in other words was never an Uchiha. Why? Because if Tobi and Kakashi share the same abilities and each sharingan has it's own special ability why would anyone like Kagami or Izuna not be using their own special ability?

Just a theory. Please prove me wrong.
 
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People lashing out at Obito theories should be spanked :)

There is definitely a chance of Tobi being Obito, not confirmed of course though.

Tobi is clearly bitter towards Kakashi, still can't rule out being a family member of Obito or perhaps Obito turned bitter because he was shunned by the Uchiha during his life and Kakashi received all the praise?

However, i'm still going to agree with people saying that Obito is being controlled by someone. I think it's Madara, who took saved Obito's body, nailed his thoughts into him and left him to finish his plans.

Or Madara is the brood mother of zetsu and can inhabit all living things, Zetsu, similar to Hashirama's jutsus, but whoever Zetsu takes hold of has bits of their personality, but slightly twisted. Just my opinion no flames :)
 

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Hmm one of the guys above mentioned that how is Tobi able to use the power of kamui without having to go MS. That's a really good point, if anyone can solve that with a good point that would be pretty awesome. And I think it's safe to say that both Tobi and Kakashi have Obito's eyes otherwise them having the same "other" dimension wouldn't make sense.

My input: I believe Tobi is neither Izuna nor Kagami, those people were barely mentioned in the past chapters. Why is Masashi (The writer of the manga or w.e. his name is) directing this whole thing on Kakashi and Tobi?

MUST READ: Tobi is either Obito or someone who never had Sharingan before in other words was never an Uchiha. Why? Because if Tobi and Kakashi share the same abilities and each sharingan has it's own special ability why would anyone like Kagami or Izuna not be using their own special ability? .


Just a theory. Please prove me wrong.
1 to others TOBI HAS ZETSU WHO CAN TRANSFORM INTO WHOEVER AND RECORD EVERYTHING HE SEES AND BE ANYWHERE HE WANTS THAT'S HOW HE KNOWS SO MUCH....

2. To this post...a sharingan eye is like an sd card. You can switch it to body from body (or phone to phone) and it will always have the same abilities... Unless the two are related than you get an eternal ms and you get your abilities and more
 
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