[Theory] Tobi doesn't have Obito eye

[0moi]

i dont agree with any obito theory at all, but if it were to be true the only explanation would be zetsu had saw the whole fight that happened w kakashi obito and the rock ninja

The whole "Zetsu rescued Obito from near death after he was thought to be dead" idea has been brought up numerous times by us Obito theorists, I for 1 believe that Zetsu was created by Orochimaru, sent to scout new vessels, & found Obito. Orochimaru was noted to be in Iwagakure during time of Obito's "death", because he was monitoring Kabuto in Iwagakure at the time.

 

[Em3plum]

The whole "Zetsu rescued Obito from near death after he was thought to be dead" idea has been brought up numerous times by us Obito theorists, I for 1 believe that Zetsu was created by Orochimaru, sent to scout new vessels, & found Obito. Orochimaru was noted to be in Iwagakure during time of Obito's "death", because he was monitoring Kabuto in Iwagakure at the time.

u r swaying me towards obito however why would he try to destroy the leaf when he possesed the will of fire

 

[LilyRose]

1) Obito has been compared with Naruto, if it were Obito, he would be trying to help Naruto.

2) Tobi was definately full grown when he first attacked Konoha when Naruto was born. Obito might have been 17 or 18 at the time if he had survived.

3)From what we saw of Obito, his emotions ruled him, whereas Tobi seems far more cold and calculated(if somewhat insane).

So unless Kishi is planning some incredible Obito is teleported to the past to grow older or is forced to grow older using some jutsu, plus undergoes a complete personality shift and erasing of ideals with no sympathy whatsoever for his best friend...

Its not Obito.

 

[CudaJoe]

In my mind, 17 / 18 yrs old is an adult. I think Naruto right now is 14 or 15 correct?

 

[Beetle]

Sure. As we can see in Kakashi's case, Obito's Sharingan is pretty powerful, no? As of now, only Obito's and Tobi's (which can be Obito's as well) Sharingan can cast spacetime jutsu. Itachi can't do it, Sasuke can't do it, Madara can't do it, and such a jutsu is damn more dangerous than any amaterasu, tsukyomi or even susanoo if used properly.

As for how Tobi knew Obito awakened it and where he was buried... well, he could have accidentally found his body. But that's just one of many ways.

Next you can ask how he knew Obito's Sharingan could do that, but there are plenty of possible expanations here as well.

Of course there's a different theory altogether - that Tobi not only has Obito's eye, but is Obito.

Anyway, both theories are much more plausible than the one that some almost unknown shinobi in narutoverse, like Kagami, is Tobi.

Kakashi made Obito's Sharingan powerful over 10 years later when he unlocked its MS. When it was with Obito it only had 2 tomoe and was nothing more than an ordinary Sharingan. The odds of someone taking a walk underground and finding a non-destroyed Sharingan aren't exactly very good. Then there's no way for Tobi to know it had S/T jutsu short of implanting it and unlocking its power. The reasoning behind doing that make no sense for someone as calculating as Tobi. Also, Tobi has not been shown to use Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi's Kamui is a MS jutsu, so it would only make sense if Tobi had to use MS as well if it was Obito's eye.

 

[Em3plum]

Kakashi made Obito's Sharingan powerful over 10 years later when he unlocked its MS. When it was with Obito it only had 2 tomoe and was nothing more than an ordinary Sharingan. The odds of someone taking a walk underground and finding a non-destroyed Sharingan aren't exactly very good. Then there's no way for Tobi to know it had S/T jutsu short of implanting it and unlocking its power. The reasoning behind doing that make no sense for someone as calculating as Tobi. Also, Tobi has not been shown to use Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi's Kamui is a MS jutsu, so it would only make sense if Tobi had to use MS as well if it was Obito's eye.

wow that was a great debunk of the obito is tobi if in could give u some rep for that 1 damn

 

[Nigete]

Near death experience could potentially unlock ones MS. It is possible for Obito to have unlocked his MS.

 

[0moi]

1) Obito has been compared with Naruto, if it were Obito, he would be trying to help Naruto.

2) Tobi was definately full grown when he first attacked Konoha when Naruto was born. Obito might have been 17 or 18 at the time if he had survived.

3)From what we saw of Obito, his emotions ruled him, whereas Tobi seems far more cold and calculated(if somewhat insane).

So unless Kishi is planning some incredible Obito is teleported to the past to grow older or is forced to grow older using some jutsu, plus undergoes a complete personality shift and erasing of ideals with no sympathy whatsoever for his best friend...

Its not Obito.

1.) Stop making that phoquen assumption, none of us knew what happened to Obito after that incident, all we can debate is that he didn't die. Sasuke was also once a proud leaf ninja, now look at him..... I'll wait.... Google it..... got it?.... EXACTLY!!!! You can't make the assumption that he would help Naruto because he's not....

2. ) The Tobi that attacked Konohagakure back then was Danzou, I've explained how this is possible multiple times in the "Tobi ID Theories" thread go there for more on this. & Kakashi was 15 around this time, Obito & Kakashi were the same age give or take a month(s) so Obito was 15 too. He was most likely still recovering around this time, so no he was not Tobi yet.

3.) Obito was still a child when he was caught up in his feelings, Tobi is a grown ass man chief lol. I'm pretty sure we all cried over spilled milk when we were younger, as you grow older you just clean it up & keep it moving. (Who knows what experiments have been done on Tobi, his sense of insanity may have very well sprung from this)

u r swaying me towards obito however why would he try to destroy the leaf when he possesed the will of fire

Like I've said earlier, time & experiments can do some crazy shift to you lol

 

[DoomTater]

issue with the second point. he did say he knows kakashi but you failed to mention that he hinted that kakashi should recognize him as well but he forgot his face

Actually, Tobi was talking to Guy when he said that. He was referencing the fact that Guy never remembered Kisame when they fought each other.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

it is really simple
1.I read alot of post that say"he only has one sharingan thats why in his old mask he only showed 1 eye" it has to be Obito
Refute 1. okay he helped Itachi take out the uchiha clan so why wouldn't he have taken one of the many eyes and implanted it.
Refute 2. when he fought konan in chapter 510 page 8 he clearly shows 2 Sharingans

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2." He knows Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kakashi is the world famous copy ninja who has copied over a thousand different jutsus everyone has heard of Kakashi the fourth raikage even knew Sasuke was using his technique when they fought.
Refute 2. Tobi has Zetsu to go as a recon so i am assuming he has given him intel on most of the ninja in the hidden leaf.
Refute 3. Tobi is also insanely familiar with the leaf village having bypassed all of the security with out being sensed.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

I have read many post saying this and that about tobi but this thread is my refute to the most popular refutes to those arguments.

PS: personally i think he is either izuna or kagami but that is another post

This still doesnt prove that it CANT be Obito's eye. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are MORE than just "very similiar"... they both teleport to the same dimension. There are many dimensions that we have seen in Naruto Shippuden, but these two eyes share the same dimension that they teleport to. This is very significant. I'm not saying he is Obito. I'm just saying you didn't prove it cant be Obito's eye that Tobi has.

 

[0moi]

Actually, Tobi was talking to Guy when he said that. He was referencing the fact that Guy never remembered Kisame when they fought each other.

Thank you, I didn't feel like skimming these 2 pages to find any referring to that panel. + REP

This still doesnt prove that it CANT be Obito's eye. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are MORE than just "very similiar"... they both teleport to the same dimension. There are many dimensions that we have seen in Naruto Shippuden, but these two eyes share the same dimension that they teleport to. This is very significant. I'm not saying he is Obito. I'm just saying you didn't prove it cant be Obito's eye that Tobi has.

The end of the latest chapter confirms that Tobi & Kakashi are indeed using the same technique; Kamui. Meaning Tobi has Obito's right eye (Tobi is Obito). Those who can't see this obvious evidence are either blind or in denial chief lol

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

1.) Stop making that phoquen assumption, none of us knew what happened to Obito after that incident, all we can debate is that he didn't die. Sasuke was also once a proud leaf ninja, now look at him..... I'll wait.... Google it..... got it?.... EXACTLY!!!! You can't make the assumption that he would help Naruto because he's not....

2. ) The Tobi that attacked Konohagakure back then was Danzou, I've explained how this is possible multiple times in the "Tobi ID Theories" thread go there for more on this. & Kakashi was 15 around this time, Obito & Kakashi were the same age give or take a month(s) so Obito was 15 too. He was most likely still recovering around this time, so no he was not Tobi yet.

3.) Obito was still a child when he was caught up in his feelings, Tobi is a grown ass man chief lol. I'm pretty sure we all cried over spilled milk when we were younger, as you grow older you just clean it up & keep it moving. (Who knows what experiments have been done on Tobi, his sense of insanity may have very well sprung from this)



Like I've said earlier, time & experiments can do some crazy shift to you lol

lol that is really farfetched. Danzo was Tobi 16 years ago? Yeah right....Don't be a fool. We NEVER saw danzo use S/T jutsu like tobi can, and in TOBI vs. minato fight we saw tobi use his signature S/T jutsu. It was the same person. The timeline doesn't fit your Obito theory brother.

Whoever Tobi is, Kishimoto has got a lot of explaining to do. It seriously would make little sense if it was Obito though.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

^there's no guarantee that is irrefutable evidence that he is tobi. By the same logic i can say Itachi must be madara because they both use Susanoo. Kamui is a MS tech and it isnt surprising its shared by another MS user, just like Itachi and Sasuke share techs, but can use them differently, Kakashi shares techs with Tobi and uses them differently.

Damn i accidently deleted some shit and messed up my whole post too lazy to do this again.

also double posted by accident lol

 

[Takos]

Kakashi made Obito's Sharingan powerful over 10 years later when he unlocked its MS. When it was with Obito it only had 2 tomoe and was nothing more than an ordinary Sharingan. The odds of someone taking a walk underground and finding a non-destroyed Sharingan aren't exactly very good. Then there's no way for Tobi to know it had S/T jutsu short of implanting it and unlocking its power. The reasoning behind doing that make no sense for someone as calculating as Tobi. Also, Tobi has not been shown to use Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi's Kamui is a MS jutsu, so it would only make sense if Tobi had to use MS as well if it was Obito's eye.

Your arguments are reasonable, +rep for ya! I will write what I think, though I know it already that I won't convince you just as you won't convince me, so treat it simply as my different opinion on the subject.

When it was with Obito it only had 2 tomoe and was nothing more than an ordinary Sharingan.

As I said already, Obito's MS is special, as kamui is as of now a unique technique shared with no other MS. Though I know Shisui's MS is similar in this way, I think it's possible that some knew Obito had some special predisposition for his MS (for example - one of his relatives could have had this special MS, too) and Tobi could have searched for it in hope of awakening Obito's MS and using it. That's one possible explanation.

Then there's no way for Tobi to know it had S/T jutsu short of implanting it and unlocking its power. The reasoning behind doing that make no sense for someone as calculating as Tobi.

We could once see Tobi's "base", in which many Sharingans were held. He could have, as I said, predicted Obito's MS power, or simply gathered a whole bunch of Sharingans (including Obito's), conducted experiments on them and then concluded that Obito's is the most powerful. Kind of Orochimaru-ish. That's a second possible explanation.

Also, Tobi has not been shown to use Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi's Kamui is a MS jutsu, so it would only make sense if Tobi had to use MS as well if it was Obito's eye.

Yes, it's true that we don't even officially know if Tobi has MS, but it's quite possible that he does.
What is more probable, Tobi having Obito's or some similar MS or Tobi coincidentally using non-MS jutsu almost identical to Kakashi's MS ability?

 

[OWanime]

It was never said it was crushed. Obito just said he felt his right side was crushed, but it obviously didn't mean all of it was. In that case part of his brain would also have to be crushed and therefore he would have died instantly.

exactly either tobi retrieved through those means or obito experiencing a huge loss started to cry like usual but this time he cries blood and unlocks ms to get away from there. It's his first time so not all of him is in perfect order so he uses zetsu to replace his parts xd

 

[0moi]

lol that is really farfetched. Danzo was Tobi 16 years ago? Yeah right....Don't be a fool. We NEVER saw danzo use S/T jutsu like tobi can, and in TOBI vs. minato fight we saw tobi use his signature S/T jutsu. It was the same person. The timeline doesn't fit your Obito theory brother.

Whoever Tobi is, Kishimoto has got a lot of explaining to do. It seriously would make little sense if it was Obito though.

Smh when you say signature S/T jutsu you mean the one incredibly similar to Kamui [It's Kamui] Go back to the Tobi Vs Minato fight, Tobi doesn't suck anthing or himself into another dimension that entire fight xd. What he did do was slip through the attacks, which is not his signature S/T jutsu you speak of that's another S/T jutsu.

A jutsu Danzou may have very well learned long ago from Tobirama, who was known for possessing S/T jutsu. If it was Kamui why didn't he send Minato's rasengan into another dimension like he did Naruto's? & Don't say it was the tag he placed on him that helped because he could've still went to another dimension, but he didn't do that. He was hit, got injured, & fleed. So now what you got? .....XACTLY!!!!

 

[Beetle]

@Takos .. you're arguments are better than most Tobi = Obito folks, but my opinion won't change. There's only ONE possible way Tobi and Obito are connected. Thats the S/T technique(s). This connection is flimsy at best. There's countless reasons that Tobi =/= Obito and they all are pretty solid.

That's why it's just unbelievably unlikely it Tobi is Obito, or even that he has Obito's eye.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Smh when you say signature S/T jutsu you mean the one incredibly similar to Kamui [It's Kamui] Go back to the Tobi Vs Minato fight, Tobi doesn't suck anthing or himself into another dimension that entire fight xd. What he did do was slip through the attacks, which is not his signature S/T jutsu you speak of that's another S/T jutsu.

A jutsu Danzou may have very well learned long ago from Tobirama, who was known for possessing S/T jutsu. If it was Kamui why didn't he send Minato's rasengan into another dimension like he did Naruto's? & Don't say it was the tag he placed on him that helped because he could've still went to another dimension, but he didn't do that. He was hit, got injured, & fleed. So now what you got? .....XACTLY!!!!

Prove it...oh shit you can't. It was the same S/T jutsu dude tobi only uses one S/T Jutsu. That's literally what the last chapter was called ONE JUTSU. You're just pulling things out of your ass to support your tobi is obito theory.

And your timeline is messed up AGAIN. The uchiha massacre didn't happen until after the ninetails attack. Danzo had no sharingan and wouldnt be able to control the kyuubi.

it wasn't danzo kid, try again.

 

[Beetle]

Smh when you say signature S/T jutsu you mean the one incredibly similar to Kamui [It's Kamui] Go back to the Tobi Vs Minato fight, Tobi doesn't suck anthing or himself into another dimension that entire fight xd.

Really? He didn't?

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he did do was slip through the attacks, which is not his signature S/T jutsu you speak of that's another S/T jutsu.

You sure they aren't the same jutsu?

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The amount of fail in your post was just unbelievable..

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Really? He didn't?

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You sure they aren't the same jutsu?

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Thankyou i was just about to post these same scans. Omoi i suggest you re-read chapter 502.

+rep beetle