Why Zetsu is essential to Tobi's abilities...!!

[Neonian]

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[NarutoDKurosaki]

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[MWQ]

rep+ ,but if tobi had zetsu limbs doesnt that mean that naruto in nine tails chakra mode, would have the same kind of affect on tobi that he had on zetsu? Since Zetsu is a plant like creature,naruto in nine tails chakra mode(yang chakra) makes zetsu grow.The same thing happened with Yamatos wood style while naruto was training to contol kurama.I think Zetsu was created from hashiramas DNA(dont remember if this is already mentioned in the manga).

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

rep+ ,but if tobi had zetsu limbs doesnt that mean that naruto in nine tails chakra mode, would have the same kind of affect on tobi that he had on zetsu? Since Zetsu is a plant like creature,naruto in nine tails chakra mode(yang chakra) makes zetsu grow.The same thing happened with Yamatos wood style while naruto was training to contol kurama.I think Zetsu was created from hashiramas DNA(dont remember if this is already mentioned in the manga).

ok listen, zetsu is obviously not human, but no plant grows like a human, bark likes a human, and was intelligent. Obviously he was man created, and the fact that Tobi's has that same exact substance, that he uses for limbs. I agree on the point that he is related to hashi, which proves even more that he was hand made. I don't think the nine tails chakra cloak would have that effect on tobi, or else something would have happened already. I think either
A. Tobi is responsible for the creation of zetsu
B. Madara created him and passed zetsu's loyalty down to tobi.
C. the white rapist got involved in the creation of zetsu.
We don't have enough info to back this up and i don't remember zetsu being created from hashi cells, he was enhanced with hashi cells by tobi though in the war

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

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[Vexorian]

Well, you were saying you couldn't elaborate on how they were related. I'm 100% positive that Tobi is either an Uchiha, or Senju; If your theory is correct, which I believe it may be, then that has to be the case. Assuming you're correct, we've narrowed it down to 2 groups of people, and there weren't many Uchiha who weren't around during the Uchiha Massacre. Shisui and Obito are the only ones we can CONFIRM that didn't die DURING the Uchiha Massacre, excluding Itachi. So we've done the best we can narrowing it down on the Uchiha side.

The only Senju we know that are still alive are Tsunade and Naruto. From what I can tell, Tobirama's death was shady at best, as was Hashirama's.

I do not mean to pollute your thread with my fictional thinkings, and you can ask me to remove it and I will.

Something's been bugging me ever since the Jiraiya/Pain fight. "Teach the world Pain so that it can grow up", those were Nagato's beliefs. We also know that True Peace was an ideal that was held by many, of all previous generations. So, by that logic, we can tie all 4 of these people to the current situation. Shisui was an advocate of protecting his comrades, as was Obito. Hashirama and Tobirama were the same.

This is my form of backwards logic, but it would apply to all four of those mentioned above, assuming this theory is correct, and that Tobi isn't just a prototype Zetsu. Taking what Pain said, we COULD infer that Tobi actually has no plan of placing the world under Infinite Tsukiyomi, but rather that he was trying to open the eyes of all who had closed them so long ago. Under this idiotic form of logic; By declaring war, he was actually trying to unite the world. It would fit under the same ideals that all 4 of these previously mentioned had; At the same time, he would be empowering all those who previously hadn't been united to protect the peace. He would be, in a radical, yet non-radical way(compared to Nagato's idea) be materializing peace out of thin air. By placing himself on a pedestal as a villain, he would be achieving a world with far less death(Hashirama/Tobirama, and Shisui/Obito all wanted to protect their allies, and by creating this war it would no longer be needed) after he took the lives that were necessary. Obviously, Kabuto summoning Madara back from the dead would piss him off, because it would be a major obstacle to his plan. From all these inferences, I found that it would actually make sense.

The thing that really spurred me to bring up this line of thought was that Tobi said something to the degree of...."At this rate, if I was looking to kill them, this would be the perfect opportunity". Why wouldn't he be trying to kill him? Even if he was looking for his DNA because he's a Senju, it still wouldn't make sense not to kill him and take his body afterwards.

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[NarutoDKurosaki]

Well, you were saying you couldn't elaborate on how they were related. I'm 100% positive that Tobi is either an Uchiha, or Senju; If your theory is correct, which I believe it may be, then that has to be the case. Assuming you're correct, we've narrowed it down to 2 groups of people, and there weren't many Uchiha who weren't around during the Uchiha Massacre. Shisui and Obito are the only ones we can CONFIRM that didn't die DURING the Uchiha Massacre, excluding Itachi. So we've done the best we can narrowing it down on the Uchiha side.

The only Senju we know that are still alive are Tsunade and Naruto. From what I can tell, Tobirama's death was shady at best, as was Hashirama's.

I do not mean to pollute your thread with my fictional thinkings, and you can ask me to remove it and I will.

Something's been bugging me ever since the Jiraiya/Pain fight. "Teach the world Pain so that it can grow up", those were Nagato's beliefs. We also know that True Peace was an ideal that was held by many, of all previous generations. So, by that logic, we can tie all 4 of these people to the current situation. Shisui was an advocate of protecting his comrades, as was Obito. Hashirama and Tobirama were the same.

This is my form of backwards logic, but it would apply to all four of those mentioned above, assuming this theory is correct, and that Tobi isn't just a prototype Zetsu. Taking what Pain said, we COULD infer that Tobi actually has no plan of placing the world under Infinite Tsukiyomi, but rather that he was trying to open the eyes of all who had closed them so long ago. Under this idiotic form of logic; By declaring war, he was actually trying to unite the world. It would fit under the same ideals that all 4 of these previously mentioned had; At the same time, he would be empowering all those who previously hadn't been united to protect the peace. He would be, in a radical, yet non-radical way(compared to Nagato's idea) be materializing peace out of thin air. By placing himself on a pedestal as a villain, he would be achieving a world with far less death(Hashirama/Tobirama, and Shisui/Obito all wanted to protect their allies, and by creating this war it would no longer be needed) after he took the lives that were necessary. Obviously, Kabuto summoning Madara back from the dead would piss him off, because it would be a major obstacle to his plan. From all these inferences, I found that it would actually make sense.

The thing that really spurred me to bring up this line of thought was that Tobi said something to the degree of...."At this rate, if I was looking to kill them, this would be the perfect opportunity". Why wouldn't he be trying to kill him? Even if he was looking for his DNA because he's a Senju, it still wouldn't make sense not to kill him and take his body afterwards.

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I really like what you said, nice thoughts! And boy that must have taken a chuck out of your day lol xd. Your theory is a possibility that is considerable. Right now i have my own theory on Tobi but i'm not posting because I will be disfigured by the flaming. LOL. +rep, care to elaborate more on the theory, i'm sure me and you could quite possibly come up with something amazing.

 

[Vexorian]

I really like what you said, nice thoughts! And boy that must have taken a chuck out of your day lol xd. Your theory is a possibility that is considerable. Right now i have my own theory on Tobi but i'm not posting because I will be disfigured by the flaming. LOL. +rep, care to elaborate more on the theory, i'm sure me and you could quite possibly come up with something amazing.

Thanks man, I'll +rep you if I can as well. I was afraid I'd get flamed for being a retard.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Thanks man, I'll +rep you if I can as well. I was afraid I'd get flamed for being a retard.

ha man im no meanie xd and i've had an idea in my head for a while that that Infinite Tsukuyomi was not Tobi's real objective. But i think it is , because of madara uchiha's words about how the world should rest peacefully in the infinite tsukuyomi. And I don't want Tobis plans to be a copy of Nagato's so idk

 

[Vexorian]

ha man im no meanie xd and i've had an idea in my head for a while that that Infinite Tsukuyomi was not Tobi's real objective. But i think it is , because of madara uchiha's words about how the world should rest peacefully in the infinite tsukuyomi. And I don't want Tobis plans to be a copy of Nagato's so idk

Well, I've been thinking about it, and if you're correct about Zetsu's origins, then 2 things are possible. Yagura, and the "Madara" Itachi and Kisame both met are simply Zetsu clones, seeing as how Tobi definitely had Madara's DNA, and as Zetsu(for the sake of this thread) must have Madara's DNA, then it's 100% possible.

The second part of my conclusion is that assuming most of what you've said is true, and that Kishimoto hasn't been trolling us recently and that Tobi is in fact Obito, then Tobi could actually be using his own DNA to form the White Zetsu; Which would also explain the White Zetsu's childish demeanor. We saw the Hashirama vegetable down in the Akatsuki Hideout, and that was formed from Hashirama's DNA. So he has that, and Madara's DNA himself, so all he would need to do is implant Shodaime's cells into the part of Zetsu that he uses as his arm, because that's all we've seen so far. This would give him the ability to use Izanagi, as well as use the spores to teleport people; Seeing as how the spores, as well as White Zetsu itself would be made from his own DNA, with some obvious altercation.

Tell me what you think. This would, in fact, work with any of the people I've mentioned, as well as Danzo(For his believers I had to mention it.) The ideals would be slightly off for Danzo, though, assuming I'm correct in my logic; As he was more of an ambitious person than a selfless person. This would also prove that Madara had little part in the events that have led up to this point, and the changes made to their "plan".

That's another thing entirely, Madara mentioned that Tobi wasn't going to plan; That's a big tip-off for me that Tobi may not have had any intention of doing what Madara wanted to in the first place. If you remember, Tobi said something to the effect of "Nagato's Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for me!", which would have, at the time he said it, been pointing at Madara. But it isn't now, and never was. Which makes me question whether Tobi simply double-crossed Madara.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Well, I've been thinking about it, and if you're correct about Zetsu's origins, then 2 things are possible. Yagura, and the "Madara" Itachi and Kisame both met are simply Zetsu clones, seeing as how Tobi definitely had Madara's DNA, and as Zetsu(for the sake of this thread) must have Madara's DNA, then it's 100% possible.

The second part of my conclusion is that assuming most of what you've said is true, and that Kishimoto hasn't been trolling us recently and that Tobi is in fact Obito, then Tobi could actually be using his own DNA to form the White Zetsu; Which would also explain the White Zetsu's childish demeanor. We saw the Hashirama vegetable down in the Akatsuki Hideout, and that was formed from Hashirama's DNA. So he has that, and Madara's DNA himself, so all he would need to do is implant Shodaime's cells into the part of Zetsu that he uses as his arm, because that's all we've seen so far. This would give him the ability to use Izanagi, as well as use the spores to teleport people; Seeing as how the spores, as well as White Zetsu itself would be made from his own DNA, with some obvious altercation.

Tell me what you think. This would, in fact, work with any of the people I've mentioned, as well as Danzo(For his believers I had to mention it.) The ideals would be slightly off for Danzo, though, assuming I'm correct in my logic; As he was more of an ambitious person than a selfless person. This would also prove that Madara had little part in the events that have led up to this point, and the changes made to their "plan".

That's another thing entirely, Madara mentioned that Tobi wasn't going to plan; That's a big tip-off for me that Tobi may not have had any intention of doing what Madara wanted to in the first place. If you remember, Tobi said something to the effect of "Nagato's Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for me!", which would have, at the time he said it, been pointing at Madara. But it isn't now, and never was. Which makes me question whether Tobi simply double-crossed Madara.

1. One of my theories on that topic is this, The long haired tobi's, were in fact madara uchiha.
2.Could be possible. Has some good ideas. But what if...we know that danzo and madara were incomplete fusions, but what if tobi was the perfect fusion of hashi cells, combined with zetsu like you said...
3.yes
4. When tobi said the edo tensei was meant for him, he was still impersonating madara, who the latter was waiting for nagato to revieve him...but i agree on the part that tobi has made, "improvisations" to that plan

 

[PikaDeth734]

Nice theory! really like it! +rep!

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Nice theory! really like it! +rep!

Thanks Man! +rep baaaack! xd

 

[Tsujan9484]

hmm...nice and good grammer btw...
+rep

 

[Vexorian]

1. One of my theories on that topic is this, The long haired tobi's, were in fact madara uchiha.
2.Could be possible. Has some good ideas. But what if...we know that danzo and madara were incomplete fusions, but what if tobi was the perfect fusion of hashi cells, combined with zetsu like you said...
3.yes
4. When tobi said the edo tensei was meant for him, he was still impersonating madara, who the latter was waiting for nagato to revieve him...but i agree on the part that tobi has made, "improvisations" to that plan

This is what I meant, probably screwed the wording up somewhere. I'm still unsure how it's going to play out.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

hmm...nice and good grammer btw...
+rep

Thanks bro +rep back

This is what I meant, probably screwed the wording up somewhere. I'm still unsure how it's going to play out.

Yeah me, but i'm hyped for Tobi's big reveal, i think its going to be chapter 600...

 

[Vexorian]

What is your theory btw? I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. I shall not flame no matter how absurd it may be, I promise. Can't be worse than Tobi = Ramen Guy

 

[Ultimatelifeform]

cool

 

[AmaniPaz]

Tobi would be ****ed without him or Kabuto

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

What is your theory btw? I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. I shall not flame no matter how absurd it may be, I promise. Can't be worse than Tobi = Ramen Guy

I honestly can't come up with anything good anymore, i'm constantly looking at the Tobi theories on the base trying to piece together my own. I used to have two that i was confident in but i gave up awhile ago.

cool

Thanks?

Tobi would be ****ed without him or Kabuto

lol so true xd idk how Tobi expected to win without Kabuto. But if Tobi with full rinnegan powers, sharingan powers, bijuu paths, and gedo mazo, S/T tech., plus all of the zetsu's, could have done some major damage to the world, but I hihly doubt they would have won lol.