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First things first.... It wasn't stated that Samehada CAN'T absorb fire, only that it didn't LIKE to.

I feel like this is a precursor to a fight that Bee will have against an EMS user. Would be pointless to show that if this wasn't the case against a basic Katon technique.

Bee technically did win the fight against Sasuke before he whipped out Amaterasu, but even then Bee turned it to his favor. The Hachibi commented that Bee had the upper hand, and the Hachibi is a tailed beast that has been alive for at LEAST a few hundred years, meaning it has experience. Gyuki also seems like too honest of a character to lie about Bee having the upper hand anyway. We know that Bee CAN escape Amaterasu (which I note, has yet to kill anyone).

Tsukuyomi would be of no use, since Sasuke cannot put it to use like Itachi. So it seems that two out of the three jutsu are useless.

Tailed Beast Bomb taking out Susano'o is debateable though. It's likely, but if it's in a complete form, then it's not being taken out easily. It also seems that because Sasuke is "darker" in chakra, his is a bit stronger in bone and armor structure than Itachi's but it's debatable.
 

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how long does it take him to gather all that energy? when he can just get amaterasud in the matter of secs. :rolleyes:

How long does it take for the black flames to fully consume the target before he clones out as a tentacle after blowing Sasuke in half?

What if's are crappy argument's. They both haven't fought each other at full scale. So let's remake the scenario. Since we said Sasuke and not Taka. It's 1v1. That's already not a good sign for him. He's had a bad day once already fighting Bee. Let's address the giant demon body that surrounds Sasuke... yes super fast arrows, yes all consuming cloak of fire. But in the end TONS of chakra. Blindness isn't even a factor. Arrows take chakra unless he has some legendary bow that nobody knows about. If he doesn't use arrows and uses Amaterasu in the hands of Susanoo then he's still blowing chakra out the roof. Inevitably it's gonna come down to the fact that Bee has speed and an alternate chakra source, I don't see it lasting in Sasuke's favor if it isn't over fast. I don't care who has the flashy 8 tales in them, or who makes giant demon exoskeleton's surround them. The battle is gonna come down to who can actually fight and Bee has to many ways to sustain chakra(8 tails, Samehada). Sasuke has 1 weapon for physical use, Bee has many. Tools and tricks of the trade tell me Bee has the advantage.

The only unknown factor is we know he can be affected by Tsukuyomi, this was noted in the Manga, and in the Anime. He broke it easily, but in EMS we have no idea the impact Eternal mode has on its power. It could be over in a split second.
 

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First things first.... It wasn't stated that Samehada CAN'T absorb fire, only that it didn't LIKE to.

I feel like this is a precursor to a fight that Bee will have against an EMS user. Would be pointless to show that if this wasn't the case against a basic Katon technique.

Bee technically did win the fight against Sasuke before he whipped out Amaterasu, but even then Bee turned it to his favor. The Hachibi commented that Bee had the upper hand, and the Hachibi is a tailed beast that has been alive for at LEAST a few hundred years, meaning it has experience. Gyuki also seems like too honest of a character to lie about Bee having the upper hand anyway. We know that Bee CAN escape Amaterasu (which I note, has yet to kill anyone).

Tsukuyomi would be of no use, since Sasuke cannot put it to use like Itachi. So it seems that two out of the three jutsu are useless.

Tailed Beast Bomb taking out Susano'o is debateable though. It's likely, but if it's in a complete form, then it's not being taken out easily. It also seems that because Sasuke is "darker" in chakra, his is a bit stronger in bone and armor structure than Itachi's but it's debatable.

Take lessons, Bogard. This guy gives greater posts than you.
 

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lets just say this, Bee will always own Sasugay like he always have been.
 

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OT: Amaterasu will one shot Bee if he goes into full 8 tailes. Samahada hates fire. It will be hesitant for it to even absorb Amaterasu. In other words, Samahada wont be able to do anything since its already engulf in flames.

Tailed Beast Bomb> EMS Susanoo is just a simple myth and has yet to be proven.
 

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Damn, you become more of a dumbass as the minutes go by. TBB is shit if you don't have the time to prep it and V2 is nothing new that Sasuke hasn't seen. He will already know how to take down Bee. He fought him and he knows Bee's fighting style. He knows Bee is a jinchuriki immune to genjutsu and has TBB in his arsenal. Bee doesn't know a single thing about Sasuke's growth. All he knows is that Sasuke has two chakra natures, tremendous genjutsu prowess, and MS. He doesn't know about Susanoo, Blaze Release, Magatamas, and Arrows. He won't last and since the Arrows are coated in Amaterasu they are even more dangerous. Heck, if Itachi gave Sasuke any power up. He is more stronger and has a better advantage. Bee had no handicaps in his match against Sasuke and Taka. He could kill them if he wanted too. Sasuke had injuries that the CS could not heal, since it was removed from him, he had to start with a new MS, and he couldn't kill Bee because Tobi requested it. So don't try to argue this without a good proper arguement because Bee has no advantage. The only way that Bee can give Sasuke a hard time is in his Hachibi form that's it. V2 won't do crap to Susanoo, especially if he coats it with Enton. Sasuke also won't get careless and egocentric like the first time, either.



I hope he wakes up. Better yet he needs to chunk some ice to reduce the effects.

At the bolded....

Suigetsu says this, suggesting that they are fighting to kill...



Then this happens...



Then, when pretty much their whole life is at stake, with Sasuke almost dead, they talk about retreating because their LIFE is on the line. None of them wanted to die, so killing Bee would have been a good option right here.



This picture, you see how beat up they all are.



Then Sasuke finally decides this.



And Bee STILL duped him.

But now? It wouldn't go 100% in Bee's favor, seeing as Sasuke has developed more jutsu from his Mangekyo.
 

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First things first.... It wasn't stated that Samehada CAN'T absorb fire, only that it didn't LIKE to.

I feel like this is a precursor to a fight that Bee will have against an EMS user. Would be pointless to show that if this wasn't the case against a basic Katon technique.

Bee technically did win the fight against Sasuke before he whipped out Amaterasu, but even then Bee turned it to his favor. The Hachibi commented that Bee had the upper hand, and the Hachibi is a tailed beast that has been alive for at LEAST a few hundred years, meaning it has experience. Gyuki also seems like too honest of a character to lie about Bee having the upper hand anyway. We know that Bee CAN escape Amaterasu (which I note, has yet to kill anyone).

Tsukuyomi would be of no use, since Sasuke cannot put it to use like Itachi. So it seems that two out of the three jutsu are useless.

Tailed Beast Bomb taking out Susano'o is debateable though. It's likely, but if it's in a complete form, then it's not being taken out easily. It also seems that because Sasuke is "darker" in chakra, his is a bit stronger in bone and armor structure than Itachi's but it's debatable.



How long does it take for the black flames to fully consume the target before he clones out as a tentacle after blowing Sasuke in half?

What if's are crappy argument's. They both haven't fought each other at full scale. So let's remake the scenario. Since we said Sasuke and not Taka. It's 1v1. That's already not a good sign for him. He's had a bad day once already fighting Bee. Let's address the giant demon body that surrounds Sasuke... yes super fast arrows, yes all consuming cloak of fire. But in the end TONS of chakra. Blindness isn't even a factor. Arrows take chakra unless he has some legendary bow that nobody knows about. If he doesn't use arrows and uses Amaterasu in the hands of Susanoo then he's still blowing chakra out the roof. Inevitably it's gonna come down to the fact that Bee has speed and an alternate chakra source, I don't see it lasting in Sasuke's favor if it isn't over fast. I don't care who has the flashy 8 tales in them, or who makes giant demon exoskeleton's surround them. The battle is gonna come down to who can actually fight and Bee has to many ways to sustain chakra(8 tails, Samehada). Sasuke has 1 weapon for physical use, Bee has many. Tools and tricks of the trade tell me Bee has the advantage.

The only unknown factor is we know he can be affected by Tsukuyomi, this was noted in the Manga, and in the Anime. He broke it easily, but in EMS we have no idea the impact Eternal mode has on its power. It could be over in a split second.

These 2 are killing you guy's, do something or Sasuke is gonna lose.xd
 
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At the bolded....

Suigetsu says this, suggesting that they are fighting to kill...



Then this happens...



Then, when pretty much their whole life is at stake, with Sasuke almost dead, they talk about retreating because their LIFE is on the line. None of them wanted to die, so killing Bee would have been a good option right here.



This picture, you see how beat up they all are.



Then Sasuke finally decides this.



And Bee STILL duped him.

But now? It wouldn't go 100% in Bee's favor, seeing as Sasuke has developed more jutsu from his Mangekyo.


I know that i'm speaking about the beginning of the match. At the end, he decided to kill him since he couldn't win against Bee.
 

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Damn, you become more of a dumbass as the minutes go by. TBB is shit if you don't have the time to prep it and V2 is nothing new that Sasuke hasn't seen. He will already know how to take down Bee. He fought him and he knows Bee's fighting style. He knows Bee is a jinchuriki immune to genjutsu and has TBB in his arsenal. Bee doesn't know a single thing about Sasuke's growth. All he knows is that Sasuke has two chakra natures, tremendous genjutsu prowess, and MS. He doesn't know about Susanoo, Blaze Release, Magatamas, and Arrows. He won't last and since the Arrows are coated in Amaterasu they are even more dangerous. Heck, if Itachi gave Sasuke any power up. He is more stronger and has a better advantage. Bee had no handicaps in his match against Sasuke and Taka. He could kill them if he wanted too. Sasuke had injuries that the CS could not heal, since it was removed from him, he had to start with a new MS, and he couldn't kill Bee because Tobi requested it. So don't try to argue this without a good proper arguement because Bee has no advantage. The only way that Bee can give Sasuke a hard time is in his Hachibi form that's it. V2 won't do crap to Susanoo, especially if he coats it with Enton. Sasuke also won't get careless and egocentric like the first time, either.

Did you just argue Sasuke won't get careless and egocentric? That's an opinion. Your whole statement is an opinion. No handicaps? Four vs One isn't a handicap? Bee was fighting to have fun, they were fighting for their lives. Speed is gonna be the biggest issue with fighting against Bee. Sasuke couldn't keep up with him originally. I don't think that the EMS has been proven to help depict movement any better then regular. He's had his chance there. Previously proven that lighting vs lighting Bee has him(Sting like a bee). Same argument I've given to someone else. It's gonna come down to chakra amount, who has more, who has way's to get more?
 

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First things first.... It wasn't stated that Samehada CAN'T absorb fire, only that it didn't LIKE to.

I feel like this is a precursor to a fight that Bee will have against an EMS user. Would be pointless to show that if this wasn't the case against a basic Katon technique.

Bee technically did win the fight against Sasuke before he whipped out Amaterasu, but even then Bee turned it to his favor. The Hachibi commented that Bee had the upper hand, and the Hachibi is a tailed beast that has been alive for at LEAST a few hundred years, meaning it has experience. Gyuki also seems like too honest of a character to lie about Bee having the upper hand anyway. We know that Bee CAN escape Amaterasu (which I note, has yet to kill anyone).

Tsukuyomi would be of no use, since Sasuke cannot put it to use like Itachi. So it seems that two out of the three jutsu are useless.

Tailed Beast Bomb taking out Susano'o is debateable though. It's likely, but if it's in a complete form, then it's not being taken out easily. It also seems that because Sasuke is "darker" in chakra, his is a bit stronger in bone and armor structure than Itachi's but it's debatable.

if samehada couldn't absorb a "c rank" fire jutsu without problems then what makes you think it can absorb an "s rank" fire jutsu? It complained about the heat... Amaterasu burns even fire and was said to be as hot as the sun... So good luck to samehada absorbing amaterasu.

Of course bee had the upper hand against a sasuke who couldn't use susanoo or amaterasu but what happened when amaterasu was released? Hachibi was crying like a baby.

Yeah, we've never seen amaterasu and tailed beast bomb kill anyone too so i guess that makes the two jutsus weak, right?
 
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Did you just argue Sasuke won't get careless and egocentric? That's an opinion. Your whole statement is an opinion. No handicaps? Four vs One isn't a handicap? Bee was fighting to have fun, they were fighting for their lives. Speed is gonna be the biggest issue with fighting against Bee. Sasuke couldn't keep up with him originally. I don't think that the EMS has been proven to help depict movement any better then regular. He's had his chance there. Previously proven that lighting vs lighting Bee has him(Sting like a bee). Same argument I've given to someone else. It's gonna come down to chakra amount, who has more, who has way's to get more?

Why am i getting my opinion disturbed by the likes of you. I'm taking this opinion to someone who doesn't have a good arguement. Then all of a sudden two people start to reply my message. Are you kidding me? Ways to reserve more chakra you mean? Ways to get more? :|

Did you not see Sasuke vs Raikage? He did way better in that fight than with Bee. He got raped by Bee, but he did much better against his older brother. Since A got so cocky he was going to kill himself for his overconfidence. Whether Sasuke will win easily probably not, unless he has PS. But he has the clear advantage. Bee fought a Sasuke that was still worn out from his fight with Itachi, he lost all his snake powers and CS, and he was at a disadvantage that's all. He did not win that fight, because he pushed himself. But if they fight now. Bee will be granted 50% or less chance of beating the Uchiha genius. Unlike Bee, Sasuke has improved tremendously since the Pain Arc.
 

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I mean Sasuke is better, because he have now the EMS. And he can make really strong gen justus to Bee. By the way Samehada cant absorb the amaterasu. But i think sasuke and bee are equally. And im sure that Sasuke will learn a new strong technik from the scroll.
 

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some good points

Ems sasuke is diffrented though , can spam techniques
 

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Why am i getting my opinion disturbed by the likes of you. I'm taking this opinion to someone who doesn't have a good arguement. Then all of a sudden two people start to reply my message. Are you kidding me? Ways to reserve more chakra you mean? Ways to get more? :|

Did you not see Sasuke vs Raikage? He did way better in that fight than with Bee. He got raped by Bee, but he did much better against his older brother. Since A got so cocky he was going to kill himself for his overconfidence. Whether Sasuke will win easily probably not, unless he has PS. But he has the clear advantage. Bee fought a Sasuke that was still worn out from his fight with Itachi, he lost all his snake powers and CS, and he was at a disadvantage that's all. He did not win that fight, because he pushed himself. But if they fight now. Bee will be granted 50% or less chance of beating the Uchiha genius. Unlike Bee, Sasuke has improved tremendously since the Pain Arc.

First off did you know that 83% of numerical statistics are made up? Leave your percentage argument out, also just an opinion.

Second I never said anything about way's to reserve more Chakra, I said who has more, who has way's to get more. Bee has a sword that sucks up Chakra for enjoyment, he has a tailed beast to leach off of. Sasuke like's to see if he can blow it all in the first 5 minutes of the fight. Nothing like pure class cannon I suppose.

Too cute, I definitely saw the fight between Sasuke and A. The fight where Jugo was still a kid because he had to heal Sasuke again... Is he fully healed yet? Did he need more time? Is he still at a disadvantage? Snakes and CS are a known argument already, no reason to throw them into the equation. Let me recall that fight. Sasuke connects with Chidori, then pretty much get's owned and saved by Garra. Escapes to Danzo, get's owned by the Mizukage, get's saved by Tobi, get's healed by Karin. Kill's Danzo. That's a lot of getting owned by people who aren't Bee for an argument of Bee vs Sasuke. Would you rather me get back on topic?

Sasuke hasn't gained any new powers just has better manipulation over his known one's. Bee hasn't gained any new power's... just better manipulation over his current ones.. I wonder how this is gonna go.
 

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Sasuke got this. Samaheda doesn't like fire and Amaterasu is a non-ending fire that Samaheda won't be able to absorb. Sasuke Susanoo got a sword, arrow with Amaterasu on it, and he has Blaze Release. I don't know if TBB can affect Susanoo or not.
 

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I mean Sasuke is better, because he have now the EMS. And he can make really strong gen justus to Bee. By the way Samehada cant absorb the amaterasu. But i think sasuke and bee are equally. And im sure that Sasuke will learn a new strong technik from the scroll.

Well, Suigetsu overhype the scroll. He said, Taka could rule the shinobe world or something similar.
 

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OMG i won`t even bother to explain to you
 

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Well, Suigetsu overhype the scroll. He said, Taka could rule the shinobe world or something similar.

Definitely agreeing with you on that. If I've learned anything from Anime and Manga, if the ability is all powerful someone will always pull out its one weakness or counter.
 

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First off did you know that 83% of numerical statistics are made up? Leave your percentage argument out, also just an opinion.

Second I never said anything about way's to reserve more Chakra, I said who has more, who has way's to get more. Bee has a sword that sucks up Chakra for enjoyment, he has a tailed beast to leach off of. Sasuke like's to see if he can blow it all in the first 5 minutes of the fight. Nothing like pure class cannon I suppose.

Too cute, I definitely saw the fight between Sasuke and A. The fight where Jugo was still a kid because he had to heal Sasuke again... Is he fully healed yet? Did he need more time? Is he still at a disadvantage? Snakes and CS are a known argument already, no reason to throw them into the equation. Let me recall that fight. Sasuke connects with Chidori, then pretty much get's owned and saved by Garra. Escapes to Danzo, get's owned by the Mizukage, get's saved by Tobi, get's healed by Karin. Kill's Danzo. That's a lot of getting owned by people who aren't Bee for an argument of Bee vs Sasuke. Would you rather me get back on topic?

Sasuke hasn't gained any new powers just has better manipulation over his known one's. Bee hasn't gained any new power's... just better manipulation over his current ones.. I wonder how this is gonna go.

Ok! You're stupid! Not gonna waste more typing to an imaginary looney toon like yourself. Sasuke got healed by Jugo on his match against Killer Bee did you read what you commented? He was a kid because he gave his flesh to Sasuke in that match, not A's. Gaara did not exactly saved Sasuke. A was going to injured himself badly against Sasuke with that kick he did in the air. He told the Kazekage he better have a good reason why he decided to stop the match. He told him that the black flames would of further harmed him and that's when he told Raikage that he wanted to speak to Sasuke. Tobi saved Sasuke that one your correct and Karin healed Sasuke when he won the match against Danzo. So what kind of bs are you replying i see the manga. You need to see for yourself, because your opinion was very bias. Sasuke got Blaze: Magatama and he has a new Susanoo with Amaterasu coated Arrows and a more powerful genjutsu. How is that not new powers or improved? You're on crack, buddy. And he will get more powers on the following chapters.
 
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