Who is the better Taijutsu User? Sasuke or Rock Lee?

[Retsu]

In a fair fight, nobody would get an unfair advantage.
Lee with gates is too much,
it is not a lee vs sasuke thread,


And why are you all bringing in lee gates again and again,
So this means, you think lee cannot win against 3t sasuke in taijutsu without gates , right ?

Are you trolling?

Sharingan is an unfair advantage in a PURE TAIJUTSU match, or are you too much of an uchihaddict fan to know this?

Lee embarrassed Sasuke in part 1 Base lee in part 1 for awhile could've easily handled both Sasuke and Naruto at the same damn time, before the powerscaling went haywire, but this basically means you know base Sasuke is a pushover right?

 

[Exaar]

In a fair fight, nobody would get an unfair advantage.
Lee with gates is too much,
it is not a lee vs sasuke thread,


And why are you all bringing in lee gates again and again,
So this means, you think lee cannot win against 3t sasuke in taijutsu without gates , right ?

Again, Sharingan is a tool for sasuke, Gates are a tool for Lee.

Both give the user avantages, doesn't matter how big or Small.

The way you're Banging on about 3t sharingan, this must mean Base Lee Roflstomps Sasuke's (without sharingan) face into the ground.

You're still fighting over this? I thought Sasuke already beat the crap outta Lee.

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Yep it really looks like sasuke had lee right where he wanted him.

 

[Reborn]

Again, Sharingan is a tool for sasuke, Gates are a tool for Lee.

Both give the user avantages, doesn't matter how big or Small.

The way you're Banging on about 3t sharingan, this must mean Base Lee Roflstomps Sasuke's (without sharingan) face into the ground.

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Yep it really looks like sasuke had lee right where he wanted him.

Sasuke wanted Lee behind him 0_o Well Idk, whatever floats his boat. He did leave Konoha with a man who deals with a lot of "snakes", bit him on the neck, and said he wanted Sasuke's body...so I won't judge on Sasuke's prefrences

 

[Frikid]

Doesn't matter if he Trains himself to fight against sharingan users, He cannot stop it Following/predicting his Movements.
He means he has trained to avoid the sharingan's Genjutsu by Training himself to fight by looking at the users feat.

Going by your comments you seem to be rather biased, You deem it ok to give sasuke a advantage via the sharingan, but Deem it an "unfair" advantage if Lee uses gates.

As i've shown, Lee's Taijutsu is superior to sasuke's.

The Thread title is who is Better, Not who would win.

Lee Getting a 5 in the databooks prove Lee is better /Thread.

exactly!!!!
Sasuke can copy every technique lee can ever imagine to do,
also he can copy other techniques he might have learned by watching/doing battles .

So this make him better in taijutsu then lee.

So you're power limiting Lee because it's an unfair fight? That's the whole point, to show the superiority of Lee over Sasuke in taijutsu. But for the sake of argument, I still believe that Lee doesn't need to unlock the gates to defeat Sasuke in a taijutsu fight. Hell if you want you can give Sasuke EMS, in the fight, but he's not going to defeat Lee. Lee without the gates has skills as a taijutsu fighter>Sasuke's since Sasuke's training and developement of his taijutsu isn't on par with Lee's who's only method of fighting is taijutsu. Lee as a physical warrior>Sasuke's. Speed, power, stamina in a collaborative Lee has those advantages over Sasuke as well.

However what you say in your post just proves how weak the argument you have for Sasuke on truely any plane. Sharingan give an advantage, while Gates give an unfair advantage? What's this whole thing about being fair, the gates are simply chakra barriers that can be broken to give people power. Sasuke can do it...or at least he has no genetic/physical reason as to why he can't achieve it somehow if he trains.

We're comparing eyes to gates because the eyes give him perception that nobody else has. You want to talk about an unfair advantage, I'd like to see Sasuke match Lee without his Sharingan. Lets see how well Sasuke can cheat then. Honestly to see your opponents moves just as it comes to their mind, you don't see that as unfair? It doesn't even matter Sasuke with or without sharingan is not besting Rock Lee in his base let alone his gates.

Sasuke can predict his opponents movements. Lets say he does that and he can see Lee's attack and he's fast enough to avoid it. How long can he keep avoiding before he tires? Lee is just as fast as him so he can land a few blows, he can avoid Sasuke as well with his reflexes. Lets say Sasuke decides to not worry about avoiding and decideds to block. Lee is stronger than Sasuke so Sasuke's blocks will also prove to damage Sasuke as he'll still take damage.

Lee's attributes physically and skillfully outweigh Sasuke's.



Tis true, he can only see Sasuke winning with the Sharingan which he doesn't see as an unfair advantage even though it allows the clarity to see an opponents' movements before they do them.

I am talking about 3t sharingan.
Also the 8 gates is a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE.
It means it should be only used in a worst case scenario because it is way too overpowered.

3t sharingan isn't forbidden, because it gives you just an advantage, doesn't make you super saiyan like goku U_U.

How long can he keep avoiding before he tires? Lee is just as fast as him so he can land a few blows, he can avoid Sasuke as well with his reflexes. Lets say Sasuke decides to not worry about avoiding and decideds to block. Lee is stronger than Sasuke so Sasuke's blocks will also prove to damage Sasuke as he'll still take damage.

sasuke have improved now, he have more endurance and more stamina now.

he was standing even when every cell of his was hurting, this explains to what extent he can take hits and how he can overpower lee without gates ofcourse.

 

[Orochimarus Slave]

Databook says Lee so its lee

^This... Rock Lee could beat nagato with taijutsu, do you really think sasuke is better at taijutsu than him?

 

[Orochimarus Slave]

exactly!!!!
Sasuke can copy every technique lee can ever imagine to do,
also he can copy other techniques he might have learned by watching/doing battles .

So this make him better in taijutsu then lee.



I am talking about 3t sharingan.
Also the 8 gates is a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE.
It means it should be only used in a worst case scenario because it is way too overpowered.

3t sharingan isn't forbidden, because it gives you just an advantage, doesn't make you super saiyan like goku U_U.



sasuke have improved now, he have more endurance and more stamina now.

he was standing even when every cell of his was hurting, this explains to what extent he can take hits and how he can overpower lee without gates ofcourse.

in terms of taijutsu lee>sasuke. 3t sharigan is a dojutsu last time i check not a taijutsu, your argument is invalid

 

[razinzell]

You're still fighting over this? I thought Sasuke already beat the crap outta Lee.

Your so blinded by your fanboyism, If I remember correctly you were arguing that Sasuke is smarter than Shikamaru xd

Anyway Lee 100%

 

[fastrthnwind]

exactly!!!!
Sasuke can copy every technique lee can ever imagine to do,
also he can copy other techniques he might have learned by watching/doing battles .

So this make him better in taijutsu then lee.



I am talking about 3t sharingan.
Also the 8 gates is a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE.
It means it should be only used in a worst case scenario because it is way too overpowered.

3t sharingan isn't forbidden, because it gives you just an advantage, doesn't make you super saiyan like goku U_U.



sasuke have improved now, he have more endurance and more stamina now.

he was standing even when every cell of his was hurting, this explains to what extent he can take hits and how he can overpower lee without gates ofcourse.

One thing Sasuke can't copy is the 8 gates. That is something you have to work for.

The gates can and should be used as a last resort due to the damage it does to the body. That means if lee went up against an opponent and cant beat them with taijutsu, which is a pretty rare case, then he could gradually open the gates until the opponent has been defeated.

For Sasuke, if he goes up against a powerful opponent in taijutsu, he uses sharingan to have an advantage. If that person is still too much(bee, raikage, Itachi etc.) then he has no other options to defeat his opponent and will lose the battle eventually.

 

[Exaar]

exactly!!!!
Sasuke can copy every technique lee can ever imagine to do,
also he can copy other techniques he might have learned by watching/doing battles .

So this make him better in taijutsu then lee.



I am talking about 3t sharingan.
Also the 8 gates is a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE.
It means it should be only used in a worst case scenario because it is way too overpowered.

3t sharingan isn't forbidden, because it gives you just an advantage, doesn't make you super saiyan like goku U_U.



sasuke have improved now, he have more endurance and more stamina now.

he was standing even when every cell of his was hurting, this explains to what extent he can take hits and how he can overpower lee without gates ofcourse.

That doesn't make him better at Taijutsu, Kakashi has the title of copy Ninja, he has been in many fights, copied many Ninjutsu and i would guess taijutsu aswell, Yet he still only have a "4" in Taijutsu.

I'm not totally sure if your just another idiotic fanboy, or just trolling.

 

[Reborn]

exactly!!!!
Sasuke can copy every technique lee can ever imagine to do,
also he can copy other techniques he might have learned by watching/doing battles .

So this make him better in taijutsu then lee.



I am talking about 3t sharingan.
Also the 8 gates is a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE.
It means it should be only used in a worst case scenario because it is way too overpowered.

3t sharingan isn't forbidden, because it gives you just an advantage, doesn't make you super saiyan like goku U_U.



sasuke have improved now, he have more endurance and more stamina now.

he was standing even when every cell of his was hurting, this explains to what extent he can take hits and how he can overpower lee without gates ofcourse.

Lol, no it doesn't him better. Sasuke can't coppy and preform techniques that would otherwise requires gates to use. Because Sasuke can copy doesn't mean he can physically do every little thing Lee can do, that's a ridiculous notion to even bring up.

No, don'te even go there, just because something is forbidden or not doesn't mean anything. How many techniques are forbidden but people still use it huh? It's not like a law saying that they can and can't and even if it was who cares. I mean if the Hokage can break the laws then hell. What you said right there is the poorest defense as to why Sharingan should be allowed in a Taijutsu fight when Sharingan isn't even in the category of taijutsu and therefore it shouldn't be allowed to say why or why not Sasuke would be better in taijutsu.

Sasuke was hobbled over when he said every cell in his body hurt, his susanoo ribcage was melting like icecream against Mei's Boil release. From the few short minutes Sasuke was fighting against the Kage, he was out of breath fairly quickly after activating Susanoo, and Amaterasu alone.

 

[Acnologia]

Lee ofc.

 

[Frikid]

That doesn't make him better at Taijutsu, Kakashi has the title of copy Ninja, he has been in many fights, copied many Ninjutsu and i would guess taijutsu aswell, Yet he still only have a "4" in Taijutsu.

I'm not totally sure if your just another idiotic fanboy, or just trolling.

@bold, none , just time pass .
You cannot/should not compare me with a Fanboy U_U

Lol, no it doesn't him better. Sasuke can't coppy and preform techniques that would otherwise requires gates to use. Because Sasuke can copy doesn't mean he can physically do every little thing Lee can do, that's a ridiculous notion to even bring up.

No, don'te even go there, just because something is forbidden or not doesn't mean anything. How many techniques are forbidden but people still use it huh? It's not like a law saying that they can and can't and even if it was who cares. I mean if the Hokage can break the laws then hell. What you said right there is the poorest defense as to why Sharingan should be allowed in a Taijutsu fight when Sharingan isn't even in the category of taijutsu and therefore it shouldn't be allowed to say why or why not Sasuke would be better in taijutsu.

Sasuke was hobbled over when he said every cell in his body hurt, his susanoo ribcage was melting like icecream against Mei's Boil release. From the few short minutes Sasuke was fighting against the Kage, he was out of breath fairly quickly after activating Susanoo, and Amaterasu alone.

First of all let me tell you one thing,'

'Sasuke is a uchiha and is used to with sharingan,

Now if you put a restriction about sharingan to him, it would be completely unfair.

It would be like comparing guy and kakashi and asking who is better at ninjutsu. :sy:

When you compare, two people should have equal "weight" ön both side, so that they remain "balanced" .

current Sasuke with 3t is balanced with current lee without gates.



And also even lee admits, sasuke is a genius, he achieved his speed in one month with his taijutsu , which took lee quite a few years,

And don't you tell me sasuke don't have enough power,

look what he did to him

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and even lee used some of his gates , so both of their power up was kinda equal.

the point of this was ^to show that, base sasuke have equal power, if not greater, to base lee.

It has been shown multiple times how sasuke surpassed lee,

1. When he used lee's taijutsu in a match.
2. When he defeated sound ninjas which lee couldn't.
3. When he showed a drastic change in only one month.

EDIT : i am feeling kinda sleepy, so bye

And i agree lee is better in taijutsu than sasuke ,just wanted to debate because i was bored

 

[fastrthnwind]

@bold, none , just time pass .
You cannot/should not compare me with a Fanboy U_U





First of all let me tell you one thing,'

'Sasuke is a uchiha and is used to with sharingan,

Now if you put a restriction about sharingan to him, it would be completely unfair.

It would be like comparing guy and kakashi and asking who is better at ninjutsu. :sy:

When you compare, two people should have equal "weight" ön both side, so that they remain "balanced" .

current Sasuke with 3t is balanced with current lee without gates.



And also even lee admits, sasuke is a genius, he achieved his speed in one month with his taijutsu , which took lee quite a few years,

And don't you tell me sasuke don't have enough power,

look what he did to him

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and even lee used some of his gates , so both of their power up was kinda equal.

the point of this was ^to show that, base sasuke have equal power, if not greater, to base lee.

It has been shown multiple times how sasuke surpassed lee,

1. When he used lee's taijutsu in a match.
2. When he defeated sound ninjas which lee couldn't.
3. When he showed a drastic change in only one month.

EDIT : i am feeling kinda sleepy, so bye

And i agree lee is better in taijutsu than sasuke ,just wanted to debate because i was bored

Well lee only has taijutsu, and is used to opening the gates.

All in all, lee won't have any advantage over anyone and is naturally at a disadvantage simply because he cannot use any ninjutsu or genjutsu. Taijutsu is the only thing that hes got, and giving him the gates is the only way to even out the power balance between him and others who have kkg- they have a natural advantage over even the average ninja.

Lee admitted Sasuke to being a faster learner than himself. And a good portion of that is credited to his sharingan which he used to copy lee in the first place.

Also, Sasuke was able to match lees speed at the cost of his stamina, since you only gain stamina through hard work.

Since when was Lee unable to defeat a sound ninja? Besides kimmi, he never fought one, so you can't compare.

EDIT: well, then you did a pretty bad job a trolling I must say.

 

[LordRevan]

Lee easily. He's the second best taijutsu user in naruto behind only gai

Actually i think he has surpassed guy. Rock lee relies on just Taijutsu while Guy can use ninjutsu.

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Sasuke may have copied the taijutsu.. but it just put more strain on the body, while lee while just skip around in the same speed.

Taijutsu also involves stamina and Endurance.. Which Lee has more then Sasuke.

 

[Reborn]

@bold, none , just time pass .
You cannot/should not compare me with a Fanboy U_U




First of all let me tell you one thing,'

'Sasuke is a uchiha and is used to with sharingan,

Now if you put a restriction about sharingan to him, it would be completely unfair.

It would be like comparing guy and kakashi and asking who is better at ninjutsu. :sy:

When you compare, two people should have equal "weight" ön both side, so that they remain "balanced" .

current Sasuke with 3t is balanced with current lee without gates.



And also even lee admits, sasuke is a genius, he achieved his speed in one month with his taijutsu , which took lee quite a few years,

And don't you tell me sasuke don't have enough power,

look what he did to him

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and even lee used some of his gates , so both of their power up was kinda equal.

the point of this was ^to show that, base sasuke have equal power, if not greater, to base lee.

It has been shown multiple times how sasuke surpassed lee,

1. When he used lee's taijutsu in a match.
2. When he defeated sound ninjas which lee couldn't.
3. When he showed a drastic change in only one month.

EDIT : i am feeling kinda sleepy, so bye

And i agree lee is better in taijutsu than sasuke ,just wanted to debate because i was bored

We're comparing the merit of their abilities in taijutsu to see which one is superior so obviously there are going to be evidence presented by both sides to prove superiority of one over the other. 3t Sharingan Sasuke is not balanced with pure base Rock Lee, take away Sasuke's Sharingan and gates for lee then you have equal settings.

Lee said he was a genius, however, as I've said a few times before in refrence to your speed argument, Sasuke's abilities were enhanced in one area whilst Lee's was enhanced in several areas besides just speed. Lee gained more overall in his years of training then Sasuke did in that one month. You only look at the feats of speed that were demonstrated and ignore everything else.

Yes I can say Lee is stronger because that pannel has two things that don't help your argument (1) Orochimaru's curse mark=Orochimaru's power therefore Sasuke's using Orochimaru's power and not his own raw power (2) Exploitation of joints is something even Sakura could've done. Had she gotten Zaku in that position it's a simple matter of applying force the same way Sasuke did, that's not a feat of power, that's simple joint manipulation.

Now I'm confused, you say if Lee used some of the gates that their power would be equal, wouldn't that mean your previous statements about them being on equal terms before was a lie? You just contradicted yourself with that statement.

It has not been shown that Sasuke even comes remotely close to surpassing Lee in Taijutsu

1) Used a watered down version of Lee's technique in a battle, not the same level of technique.

2) Where is this? What are you refering too?

3) Drastic change in one area where as Lee was still superior at that point and not equal with the exception of speed.
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Sleep well ^^ and you can argue points well even if you don't believe in them, very nice.

 

[Anorien16]

Just a reminder Lee still uses his ankle weights. Factor that in too.

 

[NBSax]

Are you retarded? Lee all the way.

This ^

 

[phillicheesestake]

lets see here.. so you are asking who is better..lee a ninja that his only skill is in taijutsu. also he trains hardcore on nothing but taijutsu. oh and did i say thats all he practces and does. he and gai are the best taijutsu users in the manga. thats all they do. and if they activate any gates you are **** because that just amplifies everything about them 10 fold

 

[Sephy100]

All Lee can do is Taijutsu so it stands to reason that he's better than Sasuke in that department.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Sasuke never WAS better in Taijutsu than Lee, even in Part I. He only copied Lee's moves, and may have been more or less equal to Lee after Kakashi's training. However, he did not have the ability to open his chakra gates, so his ability will be lesser as he doesn't have his Taijutsu amplified by the gates.

In Part II, I feel fairly certain that Lee takes this. Sasuke has shown more than above average skill in Taijutsu, but he does not specialize in it as Lee does.