Do you believe in God?

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  • I Believe In God

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Animals know God exists and all of nature listens to God. When God told the animals to go on the ark they did as God said. When there was a storm out at sea Jesus told it to stop and it stopped.

And what if i believe the Gilgamesh epos and say that Um-napisti was the one who built that ark... But seriously. You believe that about 3000-3500 years ago only 8 people survived a worldwide deluge and all animals (millions of species, 2 -or 7? the Bible is quite contradictory- of every species) had enough place in an ark of 40x20x30 meters (if my memory serves) and there was enough food for them for months and that civilization and culture and languages spread only in 1-2 hundred years (from 8 people)
 

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My question to all the believers is that; how can you judge anyone for what they believe as false, ignorant, or otherwise wrong? Think about it.
 

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Well, I cannot tell you exact numbers but hundreds of thousands of people visit Lourdes every year and a few really get better and cured. Lets say 100 out of 100000.Mathematically its quite acceptable and probabilistic, there is nothing to wonder. Though I admit I dont know how a stranger can tell things. But its so interesting that I often hear stories like this but never met someone like this so far , neither my acquaintances... You never know if they are cheating or not. Its like with those so called mentalists... You cannot tell their trick / secret but you know that they have one...And it happened many times to me that I wanted to wake up at a certain time and I really did wake up at that time. Your brain works even when you are asleep , so does your 'inner clock'.

Look up Apostle Johnson Suleman(weird name I know). Kidney problems probably can't be diagnosed with a look. I'd have argued that maybe people were organised before the service if my own father wasn't called out(his first time ever meeting the man). I'm a skeptic myself.
 

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Wonderful, let me say this: from nearly the time i can remembe,r before i leave for school or something important the last part of my prayers is: "God, please keep everyone safe and happy" . . . what about it was my prayers or my mother's prayers when I was sick that was answered not your prayers?

Also as far as i remember the Bible condemns everyone to hell who is not a believer. Also i dont remember the Bible preventing the blacks from being treated in a inhuman way? Where was your prayers when hundreds of my countrymen died from starvation and disease while British enjoyed the fruits of their labor.

Because we pray for people that does not mean they are immune to God's wrath like with the countrymen or in your case. As for the Africans,yes,they had to endure slavery and segregation but that drove many of the Africans to christianity. Also it paved the way for many of the african-american pastors and inventors we have today. God knew America needed help and He used America's sin against them.
 

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His plan did not fail. All this suffering came from ourselves. When Adam and Eve gave in to temptation from Satan and ate the fruit. Yes,God allows Satan to try and tempt us to test our faith but we are the ones that allow ourselves to be tempted. God doesn't force us to do anything,He lets us act of our free will,He is the one that suffers the most from our decisions. It is us,God's beloved children,that hurt him with our bad deeds,it is Him who is so forgiving He is willing to take thousands of years of pain to see more of us join him in heaven. He gave us his only beggoten son Jesus Christ who lowered himself to come upon this earth,suffer betrayal and deception by the same people he came to save and did so much for. He then was brutally beaten while nailed to a heavy cross he had to carry for miles while guards whipped him and people spat and cursed at him. Jesus died praying to God to forgive them for Jesus was truly suffering more than any man had and ever will both emotionally and physically and God hurt even more but He did it why?: Because He loved us all,even the sinners,he loves us all. He gave us all that we need: His son(Jesus Christ) and his ever so true word(The Holy Bible). Yet we still need favors and miracles to pull us out of our ignorance. He does all that and only asks of us our loyalty,prayer and fasting.

Why did god have to test Adam and Eve? And I dont understand that if they were perfect and there was no evilness in the creation then how could envy develop in Satan or how could Adam and Eve fail? Then the creation wasnt perfect. Besides the original plan failed no matter how you twist it. God never planned that Adam and Eve would rebel but if he knew this then why did he let this...Doesnt make sense either way. Besides there was the tree of good and bad and god was afraid that Adam and Eve would find out bad things like that they are naked but this story is so childish...Sorry for offending you. Why would god consider being naked bad? If it was bad why didnt he give them clothes? And why was badness in a perfect creation?

Look up Apostle Johnson Suleman(weird name I know). Kidney problems probably can't be diagnosed with a look. I'd have argued that maybe people were organised before the service if my own father wasn't called out(his first time ever meeting the man). I'm a skeptic myself.

Uri Geller can bend spoons and can send energy through the TV and people made videos about miracles happening due to this. And there are people with "magnetic body". And mentalists can read minds. Do you believe these or would you believe these if you were at the show when they did some miraculous things? I dont know how but they of course know their own tricks.
 
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Why did god have to test Adam and Eve? And I dont understand that if they were perfect and there was no evilness in the creation then how could envy develop in Satan or how could Adam and Eve fail? Then the creation wasnt perfect. Besides the original plan failed no matter how you twist it. God never planned that Adam and Eve would rebel but if he knew this then why did he let this...Doesnt make sense either way. Besides there was the tree of good and bad and god was afraid that Adam and Eve would find out bad things like that they are naked but this story is so childish...Sorry for offending you. Why would god consider being naked bad? If it was bad why didnt he give them clothes? And why was badness in a perfect creation?

It wasn't the fact that they were naked that was bad. They were cloaked in God's love and since they were pure of heart and close to God they could see it. But when they ate of the fruit their hearts were not pure and they had disobeyed God so now it seemed as if they were naked because they couldn't see their cloak. And no,it wasn't God's fault that Adam and Eve became tainted. God was resting and Jesus was away,giving Satan the opporotunity to posess the snake and fool Adam and Eve into eating the fruit.
 

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These questions are easy to answer.
How will people before Jesus be judged? They were judged based on if they believed Jesus was going to come while we now have to believe he did come.

What about other people? All people on earth to this day came from Noah's family which believed in God. It was up to their descendants to keep the record and teach their children to believe. So if a certain group of people do not have the record anymore then it was their fault for losing it in the first place.

LOL just LOL . . . african, native american tribals didnt have a proper written language let alone records, also how can Noah's children have so many different languages when they originate from the same person? Dont say devil came and did his hocus phocus and volia everything changed in an instant . . . . also if God cared why didnt he prevent them?

Another thing:

Adam and Eve: Ok our entire poplulation of humans from the first two humans or the noah couple .... granting that can anyone explain how Adam and Eve or the Noah portrayed as a white couple is also the ancestors of blacks, Chinese, native American etc. Adam and Eve cld not have been multicolored so that their children had such a wide variety of characteristics. Also how come some of their children built ships and travelled to the continent of America and Australia (a place they had no knowledge about until the AD 1400s) yet no one remembered. Also if Adam and eve ate the fruit of knowledge and recived tru knowledge, how come they cldnt build super computers in their time or found out that earth rotated around the Sun or that eclipse was a natural phenomena?

Because we pray for people that does not mean they are immune to God's wrath like with the countrymen or in your case. As for the Africans,yes,they had to endure slavery and segregation but that drove many of the Africans to christianity. Also it paved the way for many of the african-american pastors and inventors we have today. God knew America needed help and He used America's sin against them.

Much more wonderful, my country men had children, infants even . . . the British came and forced so much taxes upon them that their wives and children had to starve while the British lived in luxury, ur gods shows his wrath against victims and while the culprits enjoy wealth? Wonderful justice system u have up there. I wld have rather died at 7 if your God saved all those that died then.

Dont pretend, Americans were actually British colonists, so not only the Americans are responsible. So your answer to converting non believers is to torture and enslave them?
Wonderful, then its coverting them using force and fear. The africans who became great are great because they were talented not because they were Christians.

It wasn't the fact that they were naked that was bad. They were cloaked in God's love and since they were pure of heart and close to God they could see it. But when they ate of the fruit their hearts were not pure and they had disobeyed God so now it seemed as if they were naked because they couldn't see their cloak. And no,it wasn't God's fault that Adam and Eve became tainted. God was resting and Jesus was away,giving Satan the opporotunity to posess the snake and fool Adam and Eve into eating the fruit.

As far as i know in Christianity there is saying: "repent and you shall be forgiven" ...... is disobeying a command so great a crime? As u say they were pure of heart, and pure hearted people cant do evil, and God should have known that. I dont think Adam and Eve didnt want to repent, so why wasnt they forgiven instead his entire innocent blood line condemned to suffer. Is having knowledge is so dangerous that it brought about such a heavy punishment? If murders can be forgiven by repentance why a simple innocent mistake, which was caused by God's strongest archangel is unforgivable?
 
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It wasn't the fact that they were naked that was bad. They were cloaked in God's love and since they were pure of heart and close to God they could see it. But when they ate of the fruit their hearts were not pure and they had disobeyed God so now it seemed as if they were naked because they couldn't see their cloak. And no,it wasn't God's fault that Adam and Eve became tainted. God was resting and Jesus was away,giving Satan the opporotunity to posess the snake and fool Adam and Eve into eating the fruit.

Is it the official dogma now? Interesting interpretation though the text itself doesnt imply this so I dont accept people's twisting of the words.I mean that the Bible also said that god created the world in 6 days so I dont accept that it doesnt literally mean 6 days. Some people tend to quote the Bible when it supports their idea but when it doesnt they start interpreting it and coming up with unnecessary theories rather than accepting truth.
 

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LOL just LOL . . . african, native american tribals didnt have a proper written language let alone records, also how can Noah's children have so many different languages when they originate from the same person? Dont say devil came and did his hocus phocus and volia everything changed in an instant . . . . also if God cared why didnt he prevent them?

Another thing:

Adam and Eve: Ok our entire poplulation of humans from the first two humans or the noah couple .... granting that can anyone explain how Adam and Eve or the Noah portrayed as a white couple is also the ancestors of blacks, Chinese, native American etc. Adam and Eve cld not have been multicolored so that their children had such a wide variety of characteristics. Also how come some of their children built ships and travelled to the continent of America and Australia (a place they had no knowledge about until the AD 1400s) yet no one remembered. Also if Adam and eve ate the fruit of knowledge and recived tru knowledge, how come they cldnt build super computers in their time or found out that earth rotated around the Sun or that eclipse was a natural phenomena?



Much more wonderful, my country men had children, infants even . . . the British came and forced so much taxes upon them that their wives and children had to starve while the British lived in luxury, ur gods shows his wrath against victims and while the culprits enjoy wealth? Wonderful justice system u have up there. I wld have rather died at 7 if your God saved all those that died then.

Dont pretend, Americans were actually British colonists, so not only the Americans are responsible. So your answer to converting non believers is to torture and enslave them?
Wonderful, then its coverting them using force and fear. The africans who became great are great because they were talented not because they were Christians.

Take some time out to read the Bible,every page. Then you'll understand what I'm saying. And I assure you that you'll change your mind.
 

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LOL just LOL . . . african, native american tribals didnt have a proper written language let alone records, also how can Noah's children have so many different languages when they originate from the same person? Dont say devil came and did his hocus phocus and volia everything changed in an instant . . . . also if God cared why didnt he prevent them?

Another thing:

Adam and Eve: Ok our entire poplulation of humans from the first two humans or the noah couple .... granting that can anyone explain how Adam and Eve or the Noah portrayed as a white couple is also the ancestors of blacks, Chinese, native American etc. Adam and Eve cld not have been multicolored so that their children had such a wide variety of characteristics. Also how come some of their children built ships and travelled to the continent of America and Australia (a place they had no knowledge about until the AD 1400s) yet no one remembered. Also if Adam and eve ate the fruit of knowledge and recived tru knowledge, how come they cldnt build super computers in their time or found out that earth rotated around the Sun or that eclipse was a natural phenomena?



Much more wonderful, my country men had children, infants even . . . the British came and forced so much taxes upon them that their wives and children had to starve while the British lived in luxury, ur gods shows his wrath against victims and while the culprits enjoy wealth? Wonderful justice system u have up there. I wld have rather died at 7 if your God saved all those that died then.

Dont pretend, Americans were actually British colonists, so not only the Americans are responsible. So your answer to converting non believers is to torture and enslave them?
Wonderful, then its coverting them using force and fear. The africans who became great are great because they were talented not because they were Christians.

Take some time out to read the Bible,every page. Then you'll understand what I'm saying. And I assure you that you'll change your mind. Also,just those soldiers your talking about will get theirs soon enough. Trust me.
 

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Take some time out to read the Bible,every page. Then you'll understand what I'm saying. And I assure you that you'll change your mind.

I have read the Bible , some parts several times and it actually convinced me even more that its not the word of god....
 

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I find it funny how people don´t believe in a creator but believe life came from an explosion that happened for no reason.:flaw:
 

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And what if i believe the Gilgamesh epos and say that Um-napisti was the one who built that ark... But seriously. You believe that about 3000-3500 years ago only 8 people survived a worldwide deluge and all animals (millions of species, 2 -or 7? the Bible is quite contradictory- of every species) had enough place in an ark of 40x20x30 meters (if my memory serves) and there was enough food for them for months and that civilization and culture and languages spread only in 1-2 hundred years (from 8 people)

If God can create this universe, fitting all the species in the arc is no big feat.
 

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I find it funny how people don´t believe in a creator but believe life came from an explosion that happened for no reason.:flaw:

I find it funny how people believe in a creator who has been existing for eternity for no reason and once the idea to create other beings occured to him.

If God can create this universe, fitting all the species in the arc is no big feat.

So its like when in Harry Potter the tent was enlarged inside so that it was like a home but from the outside it was just a normal tent. Besides if god can create the universe killing people without a flood wouldnt have been a big feat or stopping Satan wouldnt have been a big feat...etc.
 
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Words of the most Muslims are to me the words of the people who came to our lands, slaughtered our ancestors, destroyed our kingdom and still trying to blow us up etc so I will need a little convincing. As for books and prophets, i read the deeds and saying of Jesus . . . also researched about Buddhism and a talked to one Buddhist . . . . . what makes you special from them?

As for other questions:

how will be the people who were born before Jesus or Mohemmad (praise they be) will be judged? They didnt actually get the massage. Also how many generations of Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Native American, Indian etc people had to wait till they got the massage? Its not fair and equal treatment is it?

I answered this question on the first post on page 21.(the page this post is on.
 

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Take some time out to read the Bible,every page. Then you'll understand what I'm saying. And I assure you that you'll change your mind.

That is not my answer cause reading the Buddhist principles too can give me my answers. Most of you have superiority complex and 'holier than thou' attitude, I ask again how it is appropriate to let victimized innocent children and infants die while the criminal one's enjoy life, then again why was i healed when it probably would not have killed me anyway? Why was black people tortured and enslaved by devout Christians? Where is god when Somalian children die of starvation and Americans suffer obesity? Why was there corrupt Popes like Alexander VI? Why was there crusades when Jesus himself chose to suffer instead of violence? Why didnt god sent prophets to all kind of people at the same time so that they could be saved?
 

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I find it funny how people believe in a creator who has been existing for eternity for no reason and once the idea to create other beings occured to him.



So its like when in Harry Potter the tent was enlarged inside so that it was like a home but from the outside it was just a normal tent. Besides if god can create the universe killing people without a flood wouldnt have been a big feat or stopping Satan wouldnt have been a big feat...etc.

dont know the exact details, but you may say that.

He didnt stop Satan because Satan challenged God that this new being(Adam) that you are creating, will disappoint you, when I will whisper evil in their hearts. God told Satan that you may try, but my true believers will never be decieved by you.
 

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dont know the exact details, but you may say that.

He didnt stop Satan because Satan challenged God that this new being(Adam) that you are creating, will disappoint you, when I will whisper evil in their hearts. God told Satan that you may try, but my true believers will never be decieved by you.

I know this explanation and it just says that practically god is playing a game or experimenting with us and its not fun- at least not for me and for millions of people suffering...So morally this whole Christian theory is unacceptable. And you worship a god like this...
 

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I know this explanation and it just says that practically god is playing a game or experimenting with us and its not fun- at least not for me and for millions of people suffering...So morally this whole Christian theory is unacceptable. And you worship a god like this...

My interpretation is that God had faith that Adam n Eve being close to him n seeing his works and love would have faith in his will and listen to him. He believed faith was enough.
Also idk how to add more quotes on a mobile phone but in the Bible it is said that anyone who comes after me is a false prophet. Even in the Koran (how do u spell it correctly) its said that.

I juz can't believe that purely by chance the big bang happened n the moon appeared in the exact location n size to allow the earth to become habitable not to mention the location of the earth which again Is perfectly located.

All this leads me to believe in a higher power
 

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I don't believe in a god or gods. i think that any and all forms of organised and unorganised religions are tools to teach people morality and right from wrong i also believe that religion was created to give people hope and or a reason to live or follow a moral code and or compass. My last theory is that it is used to control the masses.
 
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